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Old Jan 1, 2014, 6:10 am
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If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.

Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.


As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.

Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:

        * Please update wiki if you know of any others.
        ** Origin of data concealed


        What do the codes mean?
        Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...

        This means:
        There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
        There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
        There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
        The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.

        There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
        1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.

        2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.

        What does the "C" mean?
        Closed to waitlisting.
        In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.

        The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.

        Differences for non-BA airlines
        • Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
        • Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 8:25 am
          #241  
         
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        Hi!

        Could someone help me check the loads on BA 12 on 4th Dec?

        Thanks!
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 9:25 am
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        Originally Posted by pokfur
        hi!

        Could someone help me check the loads on ba 12 on 4th dec?

        Thanks!

        ba12 4/12/2014

        FL AL JL CL DC RC IC WL EC TC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NC Q9 OC G9
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 9:52 am
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        Originally Posted by Arbeiter2
        ba12 4/12/2014

        FL AL JL CL DC RC IC WL EC TC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NC Q9 OC G9
        Wow thanks! Looks like there's gonna be lots of room for me to lie down in Y then
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 9:59 am
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        Originally Posted by pokfur
        Looks like there's gonna be lots of room for me to lie down in Y then
        Don't count on it. I've seen flights that look like that on availability displays then go out absolutely full.
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 11:34 am
          #245  
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        Can anyone look up BA99 (LHR-YYZ) on December 17? Thanks!
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 1:09 pm
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        Any chance anyone can check economy availability on the BA253 Lhr to Nassau on Sun Nov 30 - hoping it is full in economy then as status passenger might have a chance of a bump to premium economy

        Thanks so much!
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 1:15 pm
          #247  
         
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        Originally Posted by jonathanev
        Any chance anyone can check economy availability on the BA253 Lhr to Nassau on Sun Nov 30 - hoping it is full in economy then as status passenger might have a chance of a bump to premium economy

        Thanks so much!
        I'm still learning ExpertFlyer, so get a 2nd opinion, but this is what I see:

        J1 C1 D0 RC IC W5 E4 T4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V4 S4 N2 QC O3 G1

        HTH

        Stuart
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 1:27 pm
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        Originally Posted by FastTrak2Elite
        I'm still learning ExpertFlyer, so get a 2nd opinion, but this is what I see:

        J1 C1 D0 RC IC W5 E4 T4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V4 S4 N2 QC O3 G1

        HTH

        Stuart
        ^

        You can use the "Share" option near the top right hand side of the page in ExpertFlyer. Choose "BBCode" and you can paste the result directly into the reply box here.

        That way the full information about your search is included, including the flight number and such, and it is nicely formatted, although there is a tacky advertisement for ExpertFlyer that I always delete.
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 1:32 pm
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        Originally Posted by Calchas
        ^

        You can use the "Share" option near the top right hand side of the page in ExpertFlyer. Choose "BBCode" and you can paste the result directly into the reply box here.

        That way the full information about your search is included, including the flight number and such, and it is nicely formatted, although there is a tacky advertisement for ExpertFlyer that I always delete.
        Like this:

        Code:
        Flight Availability Search
        Departing LHR on 11/30/14 12:00 AM for NAS
        Flying BA  
        Point of Sale: UK
        
        
                                                                             Frequency
        Flight        Stops  Depart             Arrive             Aircraft  Reliability     Available Classes
        0 Connections
        BA 253        0      LHR                NAS                767       Unavailable     J1 C1 D0 RC IC W5 E4 T4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V4 S4 N2 QC O3 G1 
                             11/30/14 9:50 AM   11/30/14 2:55 PM             84% / 17m
        
        1 Connection
        BA (AA) 1526  0      LHR                MIA                77W       Unavailable     F0 A0 JC C0 D0 RC IC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 N9 S9 O9 Q9 G0 
                             11/30/14 9:45 AM   11/30/14 2:40 PM             87% / 14m
        AA 3690       0      MIA                NAS                ER4       Unavailable     Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 W7 V7 S7 N7 Q7 O7 G7 
                             11/30/14 4:55 PM   11/30/14 6:01 PM             NA / NA
        
        1 Connection
        BA 207        0      LHR                MIA                744       Unavailable     F0 A0 J4 C1 DC RC IC W2 EC TC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N5 QC O8 G3 
                             11/30/14 9:10 AM   11/30/14 1:55 PM             47% / 29m
        AA 3690       0      MIA                NAS                ER4       Unavailable     Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 W7 V7 S7 N7 Q7 O7 G7 
                             11/30/14 4:55 PM   11/30/14 6:01 PM             NA / NA
        
        1 Connection
        BA 209        0      LHR                MIA                744       Unavailable     F0 A0 J1 C0 DC RC IC W0 EC TC Y5 B3 H3 K2 M1 LC VC SC NC QC OC G0 
                             11/30/14 1:35 PM   11/30/14 6:20 PM             57% / 30m
        AA 3422       0      MIA                NAS                ER4       Unavailable     Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 W7 V7 S7 N7 Q7 O7 G7 
                             11/30/14 9:30 PM   11/30/14 10:28 PM            NA / NA
        
        1 Connection
        BA (AA) 1563  0      LHR                MIA                777       Unavailable     F0 A0 JC C0 D0 RC IC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 N9 S9 O9 Q9 G0 
                             11/30/14 12:05 PM  11/30/14 5:20 PM             NA / NA
        AA 3422       0      MIA                NAS                ER4       Unavailable     Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 W7 V7 S7 N7 Q7 O7 G7 
                             11/30/14 9:30 PM   11/30/14 10:28 PM            NA / NA
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 1:53 pm
          #250  
         
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        Originally Posted by FastTrak2Elite
        I'm still learning ExpertFlyer, so get a 2nd opinion, but this is what I see:

        J1 C1 D0 RC IC W5 E4 T4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V4 S4 N2 QC O3 G1

        HTH

        Stuart
        thanks so much Stuart - I'm a bit green on this but it seems like there are seats in all buckets so seems any upgrade to WTP unlikely?
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 1:54 pm
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        Originally Posted by jonathanev
        thanks so much Stuart - I'm a bit green on this but it seems like there are seats in all buckets so seems any upgrade to WTP unlikely?
        It looks quite unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
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        Old Nov 28, 2014, 7:56 pm
          #252  
         
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        Originally Posted by Ziz
        Can anyone look up BA99 (LHR-YYZ) on December 17? Thanks!
        LHR-YYZ/17 Dec 2014 [Wed]/BA99

        F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E2 TC Y5 B2 H1 KC ML LC VC SC NC QC OC GL
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        Old Dec 1, 2014, 2:18 pm
          #253  
         
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        Yes, I realise this is not BA, but I hope you can help!

        SEA - YVR / Dec 04 / AC 8090
        YVR - PVG / Dec 04 / AC 025
        PVG - MEL / Dec 05 / CA 171

        Last edited by jlionw; Dec 1, 2014 at 3:14 pm
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        Old Dec 2, 2014, 1:23 pm
          #254  
         
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        Can someone please look up LHR-HKG on BA 25 for 4 December 2014?

        we have 2 seats in First using Avios. I would hate for us to be downgraded because the cabin is full and there are revenue pacs. Thanks for the help.

        Last edited by blindy; Dec 2, 2014 at 1:25 pm Reason: Corrected the wrongly entered date from 5 December to 4 December.
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        Old Dec 2, 2014, 1:29 pm
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        Originally Posted by blindy
        Can someone please look up LHR-HKG on BA 25 for 4 December 2014?

        we have 2 seats in First using Avios. I would hate for us to be downgraded because the cabin is full and there are revenue pacs. Thanks for the help.
        With two BA flights per day and as a BA Gold it's quite unlikely (not impossible) you would be downgraded.

        Code:
        Flight Availability Search
        Departing LHR on 04/12/14 0:00 for HKG
        Flying BA
        Direct/Non-Stop Only
        Point of Sale: UK
        
        
                                                                             Frequency
        Flight        Stops  Depart             Arrive             Aircraft  Reliability     Available Classes
        0 Connections
        BA 25         0      LHR                HKG                388       Daily           F5 A5 J9 C4 D2 RC IC W9 EC TC Y9 B9 H9 K8 M5 L3 VC SC NC QC O9 G9 
                             04/12/14 18:35     05/12/14 14:20               10% / 61m
        
        0 Connections
        BA 27         0      LHR                HKG                777       Su,T,Th,Sa      F6 A6 J9 C4 D2 RC IC W9 E6 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L6 V3 S1 NC QC O9 G9 
                             04/12/14 21:00     05/12/14 16:45               56% / 23m
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