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Old Jan 1, 2014, 6:10 am
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If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.

Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.


As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.

Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:

        * Please update wiki if you know of any others.
        ** Origin of data concealed


        What do the codes mean?
        Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...

        This means:
        There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
        There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
        There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
        The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.

        There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
        1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.

        2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.

        What does the "C" mean?
        Closed to waitlisting.
        In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.

        The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.

        Differences for non-BA airlines
        • Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
        • Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
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        Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:48 am
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        BA277 on 4/1/15: how busy is CW?

        I used to be able to check seat availability on flightstats. but I can't find the option on the site anymore. It might be my screen reading software acting up.

        I am trying to check how busy CW is on 4/1/15 on BA277. I have 2 reward seats booked on 1/1/15 but ideally would want to extend it to 4/1/15. Reward seats haven't appeared in the last 6 months of checking. So I don't have too many hopes but no harm in checking flight loads I guess.

        Any help is very appreciated.
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        Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:53 am
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        Originally Posted by blindy
        I used to be able to check seat availability on flightstats. but I can't find the option on the site anymore. It might be my screen reading software acting up.

        I am trying to check how busy CW is on 4/1/15 on BA277. I have 2 reward seats booked on 1/1/15 but ideally would want to extend it to 4/1/15. Reward seats haven't appeared in the last 6 months of checking. So I don't have too many hopes but no harm in checking flight loads I guess.

        Any help is very appreciated.
        For N.A. point of sale:

        J9 C9 D9 R9 W9 E9 T9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 G0
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        Old Nov 11, 2014, 3:30 am
          #183  
         
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        Originally Posted by wonderfultravels
        Here you go. I got this from KVS, so I am not sure if EF is more accurate.

        BA 178 JFK/7
        08:30 LHR/5
        20:15 744/0
        06:45 Info

        Seat Map
        F9 A6 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E4 TC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 GL
        Thank you very much!
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        Old Nov 11, 2014, 12:35 pm
          #184  
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        Hi All

        Would any of you kind aficionados be able to check WT and WT+ availability for the BA168 PVG-LHR on Saturday 15th November.

        If WT light loaded may try for a free row if possible. If space in WT+ may try for an AUP.

        Many thanks

        Safe & Happy travels

        S
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        Old Nov 17, 2014, 5:05 am
          #185  
         
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        could someone please kindly check availability for BA 207 (LHR - MIA) on Friday 28th November please?

        interested in all loads across all booking classes.

        thank you in advance.
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        Old Nov 17, 2014, 5:08 am
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        Originally Posted by chris1979
        could someone please kindly check availability for BA 207 (LHR - MIA) on Friday 28th November please?

        interested in all loads across all booking classes.

        thank you in advance.
        Since it's you.

        Results from ExpertFlyer.com
        Code:
        Flight Availability Search
        Departing LHR on 28/11/14 0:00 for MIA
        Flying BA  
        Point of Sale: UK
        
        
                                                                             Frequency
        Flight        Stops  Depart             Arrive             Aircraft  Reliability     Available Classes
        0 Connections
        BA 207        0      LHR                MIA                744       Unavailable     F7 A6 J9 C6 D3 R2 IC W9 E9 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N5 QC OC G0 
                             28/11/14 9:10      28/11/14 13:55               47% / 29m
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        Old Nov 17, 2014, 6:02 am
          #187  
         
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        Originally Posted by Calchas
        Since it's you.
        thank you.

        What does "IC" mean (i.e. the C in I class)?

        I'll be asking again next week nearer time but looks like a light load.
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        Old Nov 17, 2014, 6:05 am
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        Originally Posted by chris1979
        thank you.

        What does "IC" mean (i.e. the C in I class)?

        I'll be asking again next week nearer time but looks like a light load.
        Full, and closed to waitlisting. I0 would mean "no seats for sale, but if you have an I fare you can waitlist in this bucket in case a seat later becomes ready".
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        Old Nov 17, 2014, 1:34 pm
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        Any chance someone can help me with loadings for BA27 LHR->HKG on 18th November 2014?

        My boyfriend and son are on the flight in Prem. Econ (used a BA Amex Companion ticket) and we were hoping we could get them into Business/Club for the flight.

        Any thoughts?
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        Old Nov 17, 2014, 3:31 pm
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        Last edited by angatol; Feb 28, 2015 at 9:47 pm
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        Old Nov 19, 2014, 3:23 pm
          #191  
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        Originally Posted by Calchas
        I0 would mean "no seats for sale, but if you have an I fare you can waitlist in this bucket in case a seat later becomes ready".
        That needs to include "and if the rules of your I class fare allow waitlisting".

        AIUI, that rules out all public I class fares ex-UK (and perhaps ex-everywhere else too).
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        Old Nov 20, 2014, 5:04 am
          #192  
         
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        Could someone please provide me the loads for VA117 3Jan ZQN-BNE. We are meant to be in PE but VA don't seem to be selling PE on this route on any date at the moment.

        And to drag it back on-topic BA25 and BA27 17Dec LHR-HKG please! ^
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        Old Nov 20, 2014, 6:26 pm
          #193  
         
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        Hello all,
        very sad you cant check flightstats anymore booooo!

        Could someone check BA185 LHR-EWR 20/12/14 please?

        J on the seatmap in MMB looks chocka...i'm with my mum and dad (treating them) and hoping UuA to F will open up (i know unlikely!)...and 3 of us getting an OpUp being nigh impossible!

        Side questions, can you get BA details on ExpertFlyer? BA isn't listed as one of the airlines they cover..I am a basic member and thinking of getting a months subscription for this flight...won't bother if can't get BA flights

        thanks very much!
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        Old Nov 20, 2014, 6:35 pm
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        Last edited by angatol; Feb 28, 2015 at 10:24 pm
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        Old Nov 20, 2014, 6:59 pm
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        Originally Posted by angatol
        F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I5 W5 EC TC Y8 B4 H1 KC M0 LC VC SC NC QC OC G0



        Yes, you can get BA fare information, timetables, seat maps etc. on EF.
        thanks very much! So Y looks very busy, W nearly so and BA are happy to sell a lot of J&F tickets...considering J looks full on the seat map, i guess they are expecting lots of no-shows/last minute changes...?
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