New York JFK – London Heathrow Time changes for Summer 2014
Oct 21, 2013, 4:44 am
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It's a shame they didn't stick with the existing AA flight time of 09:40. I'm a big fan of the day flight but 07:15 is just a tad early. I do understand that they've chosen the earlier flight to maximise connections but being selfish as a point to point traveller, I'd have preferred it a bit later.
Oct 21, 2013, 5:01 am
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As the 747 fleet shrinks, I'd be surprised if the latter routes to see 747 service weren't east coast USA type distances.
Oct 21, 2013, 5:24 am
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The key was to keep the cabins in tip-top condition. I had friends who flew on 741s and 744s at about the same time, complaining about the knackered and tatty state of the latter and expressing delight at the former "brand new" aircraft. I didn't have the heart to tell them that the "brand new" aircraft was older than they were.
Oct 21, 2013, 6:06 am
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They could also do worse than putting a 6:30 departure LHR-JFK departure in.
I guess that needs some spare capacity, but they could always re-use whichever aircraft is doing BA26, so it could fly HKG-LHR-JFK.
People could get a generous half day in the office in NYC with that flight.
It could also make a day-return almost feasible.
I guess that needs some spare capacity, but they could always re-use whichever aircraft is doing BA26, so it could fly HKG-LHR-JFK.
People could get a generous half day in the office in NYC with that flight.
It could also make a day-return almost feasible.
Even a 07:30 departure would be an imporovement - hit the NYC office by late morning. It's odd they cater for it at the other end of the day, i.e. a late departure from LHR to enable a full day in the office in London.
Great to see all 77W aircraft with AA.
Oct 21, 2013, 6:14 am
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According to folks in the AA forum, the reduction of the 4th AA frequency is because AA are planning to speed up the retrofit of the new J and MC/MCE cabins on their 772 fleet. It is expected that this change is temporary and that AA will reinstate the 4th flight in the future.
Oct 21, 2013, 3:16 pm
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Jan 14, 2014, 1:51 pm
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Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what is the difference between the "777" (flight BA180/181) and the "77W" (the majority of the other Boeing 777 flights)
I will likely be traveling F on one of these flights. Which one is optimal?
I will likely be traveling F on one of these flights. Which one is optimal?
Jan 14, 2014, 2:35 pm
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Jan 14, 2014, 3:48 pm
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If it's on ExpertFlyer or similar, those that are listed as 77W are almost certainly not BA flights - they will be AA flights with a BA flight number in the 15xx range. IME, BA's 777s are listed as "777" irrespective of whether or not they are 77Ws.
Jan 14, 2014, 3:55 pm
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Jan 14, 2014, 4:14 pm
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Where are you seeing "77W"?
If it's on ExpertFlyer or similar, those that are listed as 77W are almost certainly not BA flights - they will be AA flights with a BA flight number in the 15xx range. IME, BA's 777s are listed as "777" irrespective of whether or not they are 77Ws.
If it's on ExpertFlyer or similar, those that are listed as 77W are almost certainly not BA flights - they will be AA flights with a BA flight number in the 15xx range. IME, BA's 777s are listed as "777" irrespective of whether or not they are 77Ws.
I believe I have figured out that these are 777-300s while the "777" is a 777-200...
Jan 14, 2014, 4:23 pm
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Hence the question as to where you're seeing this, because it may help to identify what it means. As I said, if you look on ExpertFlyer, for example, an AA 777-300ER will be shown as a 77W, whereas a BA 777-300ER will just say 777 and you won't be able to tell from that alone whether it is in fact a 777-300ER or whether it might be one of BA's 777-200s.
Incidentally, it may be worth noting that the information in the OP is (unsurprisingly) now out of date. For example, I tested this for a random week in June:-
BA179 LHR1805 – 2055JFK 77W D
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Jan 14, 2014, 4:55 pm
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A 6:00 AM Flight going out from LHR arriving in NYC at 9 in the morning would be fantastic. And so a very late evening flight like 22:30 arriving at 01:30 Am would also be perfect. So no daytime is wasted. Don't understand why all westbound flights to new York must be between 8 and 8 and kill a full day.
Jan 14, 2014, 5:18 pm
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Welcome to FT, flyingcitizen!
A 6.00 am departure would mean very little London-originating traffic, as nobody wants to get up in the middle of the night to make it such a flight when there are alternatives at a more sociable hour. Even an 8.30 am departure from LHR is pretty tough for most Londoners. So there's probably not enough viable traffic. In addition, the aircraft would then have to sit around at JFK all day because it would be too late to operate a day flight back and the earliest feasible night flights are at about 6.00 pm.
The 1.30 am arrival would not be popular as it would be difficult for people to get to their onward destinations in the middle of the night. There might also be curfew issues - but others will know more about this in relation to NYC airports.
The 1.30 am arrival would not be popular as it would be difficult for people to get to their onward destinations in the middle of the night. There might also be curfew issues - but others will know more about this in relation to NYC airports.
Jan 14, 2014, 6:01 pm
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Welcome to FT, flyingcitizen!A 6.00 am departure would mean very little London-originating traffic, as nobody wants to get up in the middle of the night to make it such a flight when there are alternatives at a more sociable hour. Even an 8.30 am departure from LHR is pretty tough for most Londoners. So there's probably not enough viable traffic. In addition, the aircraft would then have to sit around at JFK all day because it would be too late to operate a day flight back and the earliest feasible night flights are at about 6.00 pm.
The 1.30 am arrival would not be popular as it would be difficult for people to get to their onward destinations in the middle of the night. There might also be curfew issues - but others will know more about this in relation to NYC airports.
The 1.30 am arrival would not be popular as it would be difficult for people to get to their onward destinations in the middle of the night. There might also be curfew issues - but others will know more about this in relation to NYC airports.
6 am out of London isn't much earlier than 7:15 out of NYC , and I would rather get up at 2 Am and get a nap on the plane and get a full working day in NY than getting up in the morning but kill a day. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
About the return, why can't the same aircraft return to LHR at 9:50 or even 10:30 am ? It will still get in before night curfew.
The 8:30 flight also ends up sitting around 6 hours in JFK!