Originally Posted by oscietra
(Post 21636638)
All BA World Traveller/economy cabins have had seat back TVs and AVOD for many years (since well before the millennium). |
Originally Posted by IAMORGAN
(Post 21636994)
This is not true - some of the 777s had looped IFE (ie non-AVOD) until last year iirc.
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Originally Posted by oscietra
(Post 21636638)
Being a leisure route, MCO Orlando along with most leisure focussed longhaul Gatwick routes are down the pecking order for new cabins (though all 777s have the latest F cabin, where that is offered).
I think in their latest refurbishments VS have upgraded their entire leisure fleet from LGW ahead of some of their LHR aircraft. Maybe high loadings of leisure routes deliver high profits which can be taken for granted? Just a thought, I have no data whatsoever on the matter, just curious. |
Leisure routes are generally less profitable, because people don't usually need flexibility and search for the cheapest fares.
Business routes generally have higher numbers of flexible (ie. more expensive) tickets, including last minute bookings. Cheapest fares are usually below convenience in the priority list for business travellers (depending on the company!). I do also think that regular travellers (more likely business travellers) have higher expectations in regard to cabin products etc. |
Originally Posted by Genius1
(Post 21637025)
Leisure routes are generally less profitable, because people don't usually need flexibility and search for the cheapest fares.
Business routes generally have higher numbers of flexible (ie. more expensive) tickets, including last minute bookings. Cheapest fares are usually below convenience in the priority list for business travellers (depending on the company!). I do also think that regular travellers (more likely business travellers) have higher expectations in regard to cabin products etc. |
Originally Posted by alwaysbanevervs
(Post 21637032)
Thanks, what you say does seem to make sense, but do you actually have data for this, or inside knowledge? You see, I'm wondering if what you say is just the general perception, but may be surprisingly not the case. For instance, business routes may have lower loadings, and some leisure routes people will pay very high fares, especially in school holidays etc.
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Originally Posted by Genius1
(Post 21637070)
A mixture of general perception and a little insider knowledge ;)
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Originally Posted by alwaysbanevervs
(Post 21637032)
Thanks, what you say does seem to make sense, but do you actually have data for this, or inside knowledge? You see, I'm wondering if what you say is just the general perception, but may be surprisingly not the case. For instance, business routes may have lower loadings, and some leisure routes people will pay very high fares, especially in school holidays etc.
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 21637188)
I'd also concur with Genius1. At lunches and other events for Prems and GGLs the BA management are quite open in saying that business locations give them their highest returns, with various nuances. For example business travel on many routes is tied to the economic cycle, whereas some leisure routes are more inelastic (and I'm almost sure that this particular service, one of the very few I've never been on, falls into this category). The other aspect of leisure travel which important to any leveraged airline is that leisure travel can generate very helpful cashflow (not profits) at the right time. But having said that, I'm pretty sure Chengdu weighs more strongly in the corporate vision than, say, Fort Lauderdale. And rightly so.
However, that said, are we really that sure? LGW probably has a much lower cost per passenger base than LHR for a start considerably helping profitablity. Inflexible tickets come with a hidden cancellation/change bonus for the airline, whereas flexible tickets come with a further cost if change or cancellation is enacted. Leisure routes often have high loadings. And, I'm not asking if BA takes more revenue from business routes, I'm questioning if the profit per passenger really is that much higher, if at all. I'd be very interested in any hard stats on this, although accept that is unlikely they will be forthcoming! |
Hi, bit confused from the some of the answers given above - to confirm - no 777s from LGW have the new AVOD / Thales system?
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Originally Posted by NVAUGHAN123
(Post 22177630)
Hi, bit confused from the some of the answers given above - to confirm - no 777s from LGW have the new AVOD / Thales system?
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Originally Posted by NVAUGHAN123
(Post 22177630)
Hi, bit confused from the some of the answers given above - to confirm - no 777s from LGW have the new AVOD / Thales system?
None of the LGW based B777s have the Thales system but they sometimes get one down there while their aircraft are under maintenance. |
INVAUGHAN 123
None of the Gatwick based 777s have been re fitted with the new wt and wt+ product. If one of these aircraft has a technical issue or other reason for not flying (scheduled maintenance , etc) then a plane may be flown in which may have the new products.... |
Originally Posted by Skipcool3
(Post 22177903)
INVAUGHAN 123
None of the Gatwick based 777s have been re fitted with the new wt and wt+ product. If one of these aircraft has a technical issue or other reason for not flying (scheduled maintenance , etc) then a plane may be flown in which may have the new products.... |
Originally Posted by oscietra
(Post 21636638)
All BA World Traveller/economy cabins have had seat back TVs and AVOD for many years (since well before the millennium). The old system is fine, the new system is excellent and has bigger screen, higher definition and more programming. However, even on the loop system I find BA's IFE content very stimulating and of higher quality than other carriers.
Dave |
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