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Speedbird279 Aug 26, 13 2:44 pm

Credit Qatar Airways flight to BAEC
 
I now have a flight to Doha from Manchester on Qatar Airways for early in the new year ( work related trip so flight booking was totally out of my hands ) should Qatar become a full OneWorld member between now and the day of my flight would I be able to credit the flight to my BAEC account.

NeverFirst Aug 26, 13 2:57 pm

Yes. Just hold off putting any FF number in the system until check-in time.

If they join OW before then you will also get any benefits due if you have status (luggage allowance, lounges, etc).

Bear in mind that it's possible that the earning classes may be restricted (you may not earn points on certain booking classes) but I doubt that has been decided yet.

jerry a. laska Aug 26, 13 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by Speedbird279 (Post 21339694)
I now have a flight to Doha from Manchester on Qatar Airways for early in the new year ( work related trip so flight booking was totally out of my hands ) should Qatar become a full OneWorld member between now and the day of my flight would I be able to credit the flight to my BAEC account.

Maybe. Depends upon the fare class your flight is booked in and what fare classes BAEC decides to give credit for on Qatar. Since Qatar is expected to join this fall a flight next year shouldn't be an issue (if Qatar's joining isn't delayed further) but what classes will earn avios and how much will be the issue. You can look to credit that BAEC gives for other oneworld airlines (other than the joint venture airlines) to see that BAEC doesn't always grant 100% credit.

KenJohn Aug 26, 13 2:58 pm

You have to wait until formal admission of Qatar to OW. No guaranteed date as yet as far as I am aware; just references to aspirational dates.

The _Banking_Scot Aug 26, 13 2:58 pm

Hi,

Yes you would (I think the mileage earned per fare class is still to be determined though ie what economy fares would earn full mileage and which would earn a %)

If Qatar joined OW after your flights you would not get anything.

themapelligroup Aug 26, 13 3:00 pm

The rumored date is October, you should be fine for flights in 2014. Just make sure your booking class is elegible

Speedbird279 Aug 26, 13 3:15 pm

Thanks,

I'm booked in flexible J. It would be a bonus if they did become full members sometime this year as the day I'm due to fly out is the first day of my new membership year.

themapelligroup Aug 26, 13 3:24 pm


Originally Posted by Speedbird279 (Post 21339903)
Thanks,

I'm booked in flexible J. It would be a bonus if they did become full members sometime this year as the day I'm due to fly out is the first day of my new membership year.

I would be surprised not to see them join this year

1010101 Aug 27, 13 8:02 pm

Planned join date is Oct 1, and to the surprise of many they seem as they're actually on course to make it. I have a booking in December so been keeping an eye on their progress.

Phil the Flyer Aug 27, 13 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by phol (Post 21347630)

Planned join date is Oct 1, and to the surprise of many they seem as they're actually on course to make it. I have a booking in December so been keeping an eye on their progress.

Ditto here. I've just booked a one-way CAI-DOH-LHR QR F itinerary for mid-October (at < GBP1k it was too good to resist), and have held off entering a FF # into the system until QR's OW joining date is confirmed.

1010101 Aug 27, 13 11:50 pm


Originally Posted by Phil the Flyer (Post 21348384)
Ditto here. I've just booked a one-way CAI-DOH-LHR QR F itinerary for mid-October (at < GBP1k it was too good to resist), and have held off entering a FF # into the system until QR's OW joining date is confirmed.

I wonder what impact they will have on the other OW members. At circa 2k in J to the Far East they represent one hell of a good deal, given their reputation. I can see AY and RJ suffering in particular.

Lux Aug 29, 13 6:17 am

Qatar say they partner with BA from Monday, if not OW as a whole. Which is nice. Hope it's reciprocal.


Effective 2nd September 2013, Qatar Airways and British Airways will enter into a frequent flyer partnership. As a Privilege Club member, you will now have the opportunity to earn Qmiles on all qualifying British Airways flights.

Qmiles can be earned on all flights with a British Airways flight number and being operated by British Airways.
Redemptions from 01 October.

stickyfingers85 Aug 29, 13 6:23 am


Originally Posted by Lux (Post 21355887)
Qatar say they partner with BA from Monday, if not OW as a whole. Which is nice. Hope it's reciprocal.

Redemptions from 01 October.

Does it work the other way around, earn BA miles flying on Qatar?

themapelligroup Aug 29, 13 6:40 am

I can't find anything on BA, QR and OW's websites yet. I assume they'll release a press announcement quickly.

Wozza2404 Aug 29, 13 7:08 am

I just had an email from QR confirming you can earn BA miles on QR from 1/9/13 and you can redeem QMiles on BA from 1/10/13.

I'm currently holding off booking a RTW ticket as I want QR to join OW before I do. Currently the only option from the GCC region to BOM is to fly MH to KUL and then back to BOM, or CX to HKG and then back to BOM. I could fly RJ via AMM but the layover is about 15 hours; no thanks.

irishguy28 Aug 29, 13 8:28 am

QR & BA partnership commencing Monday 2 September 2013!
 
Sorry for cross-posting, but it seems that QR (Qatar Airways) may become a BAEC partner from next Monday..

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...l#post21356055

QR members can earn on BA from Monday 2 September, and can burn on BA from 1 October.

So presumably OneWorld entry is 1 October...

http://www.qatarairways.com/Privileg...egory=Airlines

http://i42.tinypic.com/2nis4te.jpg

Phil the Flyer Aug 29, 13 8:41 am

Excellent news! Thanks for the heads-up.

passy777 Aug 29, 13 9:02 am

Also just received this Email so thing are are on the move.

Dear Mr Passy777

Effective 2nd September 2013, Qatar Airways and British Airways will enter into a frequent flyer partnership. As a Privilege Club member, you will now have the opportunity to earn Qmiles on all qualifying British Airways flights.

Qmiles can be earned on all flights with a British Airways flight number and being operated by British Airways.

You will earn up to 150% of Qmiles flown depending on the booking class (type of fare) you purchase. For more details, please click here

British Airways is one of the world’s leading airlines and part of the International Airlines Group. Based at London Heathrow, it is the airport’s major operator with approximately 50 per cent of flights to and from the airport.

A founding member and an integral part of the successful oneworld alliance, the airline has a fleet of 240 aircraft and operates over 300,000 flights per year to over 160 different cities worldwide.

What’s more, you will also be able to redeem your Qmiles for award tickets on all British Airways flights effective 1st October 2013. To learn more, please click here

Take advantage of this highly rewarding partnership and experience the spectacular benefits of being a Privilege Club member.

YClass Aug 29, 13 9:09 am

Presumably Avios can then also be used on QR from Oct 1....

nux Aug 29, 13 9:19 am

I find it odd that QR has only added BA to their list of partners, and that they have emailed about BA specifically.

I would have thought they would simply add tables for all OneWorld airlines, and announce them all at once..

irishguy28 Aug 29, 13 9:26 am

They've chosen to add BA as a partner before the official entry date to oneworld, that's all. (I really don't think it's possible that there will be a surprise announcement between now and Monday revealing that QR is joining the alliance a month early on 2 September!).

If, as seems at least possible, 1 October does turn out to be the oneworld entry date, then all other oneworld airlines will be added as partners.

So why go early with BA? Well, why not. BA is their sponsor, and there is nothing to prevent two airlines from co-operating outside the scope of a mutual airline alliance if they should both wish to come to such an arrangement. (If it was a requirement to wait for alliance membership before co-operating in this manner, then QR would have no airline partners at all!!!)

It just remains to be seen if BA will reciprocate as and from 2 September, or whether BAEC members will have to wait until 1 October to earn on QR, or if indeed they will have to wait until a possible later oneworld entry date, should it not turn out to be 1 October.

themapelligroup Aug 29, 13 10:02 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21356895)
They've chosen to add BA as a partner before the official entry date to oneworld, that's all. (I really don't think it's possible that there will be a surprise announcement between now and Monday revealing that QR is joining the alliance a month early on 2 September!).

If, as seems at least possible, 1 October does turn out to be the oneworld entry date, then all other oneworld airlines will be added as partners.

So why go early with BA? Well, why not. BA is their sponsor, and there is nothing to prevent two airlines from co-operating outside the scope of a mutual airline alliance if they should both wish to come to such an arrangement. (If it was a requirement to wait for alliance membership before co-operating in this manner, then QR would have no airline partners at all!!!)

It just remains to be seen if BA will reciprocate as and from 2 September, or whether BAEC members will have to wait until 1 October to earn on QR, or if indeed they will have to wait until a possible later oneworld entry date, should it not turn out to be 1 October.

I agree with your point, QR has also started codeshares and FFP benefit cooperation with AA so why not don't allow its members to benefit of BA's network a bit earlier?

1 October is a mystery right now, the importance of this day will be clearer in the next few days. I really hope it's oneworld day!

irishguy28 Aug 29, 13 10:07 am


Originally Posted by themapelligroup (Post 21357140)
1 October is a mystery right now, the importance of this day will be clearer in the next few days. I really hope it's oneworld day!

Personally, I was hoping it would be later, given the expected "2 months double Avios" offer that is widely expected when QR does join the alliance, as I have travel that would fall outside the resultant October/November promo period...

themapelligroup Aug 29, 13 10:16 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21357170)
Personally, I was hoping it would be later, given the expected "2 months double Avios" offer that is widely expected when QR does join the alliance, as I have travel that would fall outside the resultant October/November promo period...

I think it's because if they set a date in late October (say 31st) the two months promotion would cover a part of Christmas holiday period.

cazoz Aug 29, 13 10:19 am

How about earning avios and TPs on QR flights, surely a much more appealing 'metal' proposition for those travelling east?

themapelligroup Aug 29, 13 10:24 am


Originally Posted by cazoz (Post 21357263)
How about earning avios and TPs on QR flights, surely a much more appealing 'metal' proposition for those travelling east?

It's not clear yet if the partnership beginning sept 2 is reciprocal. For sure we BA members will be able to earn avios and TPs once QR is fully integrated into oneworld.

irishguy28 Aug 29, 13 10:53 am


Originally Posted by themapelligroup (Post 21357246)
I think it's because if they set a date in late October (say 31st) the two months promotion would cover a part of Christmas holiday period.

Or they could just move the promo period to after Christmas - that would suit me perfectly!!

themapelligroup Aug 29, 13 11:02 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21357462)
Or they could just move the promo period to after Christmas - that would suit me perfectly!!

I don't think they'll come up with a "double avios on all QR flights who joined oneworld two months ago but we didn't want to make you a Christmas present" promotion

Hyperacusis Aug 29, 13 11:11 am

Anybody else find it odd that V class, which is a mid-tier economy class, earns 25% while NOQ, which are lower than V in the BA fare hierarchy earn 50%? Not to mention G earning 75% while L earns 50%.

our_kid Aug 29, 13 11:57 am

I wonder if my existing Q miles can be imported into BAEC at some point in the future

layz Aug 29, 13 1:34 pm


Originally Posted by our_kid (Post 21357912)
I wonder if my existing Q miles can be imported into BAEC at some point in the future

I don't think any oneworld programme allows direct transfers of miles between partners (some have ways of doing it that are inefficient such as going via a hotel scheme).

Only way I suspect that'd be possible is if QR took a large stake in IAG and QR decided to rename their miles as Avios.

Wozza2404 Aug 29, 13 1:47 pm

I'm certainly not expecting my little orphan QR miles to be able to be transferred to BAEC.

Hopefully I can use them for a short haul BA redemption.

irishguy28 Aug 29, 13 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by themapelligroup (Post 21357544)
I don't think they'll come up with a "double avios on all QR flights who joined oneworld two months ago but we didn't want to make you a Christmas present" promotion

And likewise, I don't think a potential BA double Avios promotion clashing with Christmas will have any bearing on QR's date of entry!

themapelligroup Aug 29, 13 2:23 pm


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21358729)
And likewise, I don't think a potential BA double Avios promotion clashing with Christmas will have any bearing on QR's date of entry!

This promotion is not BA exclusive but extended to all oneworld members. QR will give double miles for every journey its members will make on any alliance partner for the two months following the joining.
Since an official announcement hasn't been made yet I think it's useless to argue whether or not they have to join on a particular day. I have a flight with QR on December 26 and I really hope it's still under the promotion period, but up to now October 1st seems to be the most likely date.

irishguy28 Aug 29, 13 2:28 pm

Ahhh...I didn't realise the offer applied for all oneworld programmes....thanks.

It might have a bearing then, indeed.

themapelligroup Aug 29, 13 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21358825)
Ahhh...I didn't realise the offer applied for all oneworld programmes....thanks.

It might have a bearing then, indeed.

Last year Malaysia Airlines was ready to join in December but the joining date moved to late January officially for "difficulties of having all the CEOs in that period".

Two months later only CX, MH and QF's CEOs were present. Epic fail IMO.

clarkeysntfc Aug 30, 13 5:57 am

Being able to spend Avios on QR will give a nice additional option going east. Hopefully their reward availability on the kangaroo route will be decent.

irishguy28 Aug 30, 13 6:05 am

And hopefully QR start SYD next year! As Qatar negotiated an open skies agreement with New Zealand earlier this year, they may perhaps serve AKL via SYD...

Wozza2404 Aug 30, 13 7:16 am

If the join date does turn out to be 1st Oct, will that be the earliest day I can book a BA codeshare on QR metal, or will I be able to book from the date it's announced, for flights commencing after the 1st Oct?

FlyerTalker688786 Aug 30, 13 7:22 am


Originally Posted by Wozza2404 (Post 21362375)
If the join date does turn out to be 1st Oct, will that be the earliest day I can book a BA codeshare on QR metal, or will I be able to book from the date it's announced, for flights commencing after the 1st Oct?

codeshare is separate from alliance. You can book codeshare any time as long as it is available.

However, whether you can earn tier points or miles that is up to individual cases.


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