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Wozza2404 Aug 30, 13 8:37 am


Originally Posted by chongcao (Post 21362405)
codeshare is separate from alliance. You can book codeshare any time as long as it is available.

However, whether you can earn tier points or miles that is up to individual cases.

I should clarify. I want to book a RTW fare which restricts me to OW carriers.

irishguy28 Aug 30, 13 8:44 am

But then you don't need to book a "BA codeshare on QR metal". You can book any QR flight whether or not it has a BA code - and the vast majority of QR flights will never have a BA code.

As for whether all QR flights will be available to book as part of oneworld RTW itineraries as and from the day they join the alliance, I would expect this to be the case. What happened when Malaysia Airlines joined earlier this year?

Wozza2404 Aug 30, 13 8:50 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21362522)
But then you don't need to book a "BA codeshare on QR metal". You can book any QR flight whether or not it has a BA code - and the vast majority of QR flights will never have a BA code.

As for whether all QR flights will be available to book as part of oneworld RTW itineraries as and from the day they join the alliance, I would expect this to be the case. What happened when Malaysia Airlines joined earlier this year?

Fare point, "codeshare" was the wrong word. I need to book a QR flight on a 125 ticket.

I don't know how MH worked. They just seemed to suddenly appear in the alliance.

Cymro Aug 30, 13 9:00 am

When QR comes into the alliance, if the TP rules are the same, they will be very interesting, e.g., LHR or MAN - KUL (or BKK, HKG, etc.) will be 560 points. Find a nice connecting CE flight into Europe and fly from there, and instant silver for maybe as little as 2k.

Wozza2404 Aug 30, 13 9:10 am


Originally Posted by Cymro (Post 21362603)
When QR comes into the alliance, if the TP rules are the same, they will be very interesting, e.g., LHR or MAN - KUL (or BKK, HKG, etc.) will be 560 points. Find a nice connecting CE flight into Europe and fly from there, and instant silver for maybe as little as 2k.

You can easily do that now. Get a flight to ORD for 500 in Y and do the SJU run.

Steve_ZA Aug 30, 13 10:50 am


Originally Posted by Cymro (Post 21362603)
When QR comes into the alliance, if the TP rules are the same, they will be very interesting, e.g., LHR or MAN - KUL (or BKK, HKG, etc.) will be 560 points. Find a nice connecting CE flight into Europe and fly from there, and instant silver for maybe as little as 2k.

You can get QR J flights to JNB for less than 1800* right now - if that delivers 140 TP/sector then it would be cheaper than an ex-EU fare and earn more TPs.

* Flights with a ~1 hour connection time appear to be excluded from this fare so one would need to kill 5 hours at DOH.

Wozza2404 Aug 30, 13 10:56 am


Originally Posted by Steve_ZA (Post 21363212)
You can get QR J flights to JNB for less than 1800* right now - if that delivers 140 TP/sector then it would be cheaper than an ex-EU fare and earn more TPs.

* Flights with a ~1 hour connection time appear to be excluded from this fare so one would need to kill 5 hours at DOH.

5 hours at DOH is easily doable. The premium terminal is excellent. Waiter service food, separate bar area, quiet rooms, duty free shopping.

Cymro Aug 30, 13 11:03 am

I've been through the old premium terminal at DOH and given that everything is a 30-minute bus ride from everywhere else, I wouldn't want too short a turnaround. Even getting a drink was a challenge with 90 minutes on the ground. In fact, my QR status is about to expire and I won't be able to keep it up even with BA travel. If QR had been OW last year, I would have done a lot more to keep it.

themapelligroup Aug 30, 13 11:20 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21362070)
And hopefully QR start SYD next year! As Qatar negotiated an open skies agreement with New Zealand earlier this year, they may perhaps serve AKL via SYD...

I really hope it! QR to Sydney would be a game changer for me

Malaysian16 Aug 30, 13 3:57 pm


Originally Posted by Wozza2404 (Post 21363249)
5 hours at DOH is easily doable. The premium terminal is excellent. Waiter service food, separate bar area, quiet rooms, duty free shopping.

But do you get access to any lounge or even the premium terminal if travelling in Y as a BA Silver member?

Went through that (QR economy terminal) once and vowed never ever to be cattle herded like that again... :eek:

londonbus Aug 30, 13 4:05 pm

All this is good news except....


On my annual jaunt I travel in WTP. Can't afford Club and can't face WhY.

Neither QR nor MH offer prem. Econ...

irishguy28 Aug 31, 13 10:55 am

According to Business Traveller, BAEC members will indeed be able to earn Avios on QR flights from next Monday.

TPs, of course, will only be earned on fights taken after QR's official entry into oneworld, which is expected in October.

irishguy28 Aug 31, 13 10:57 am


Originally Posted by londonbus (Post 21364959)
On my annual jaunt I travel in WTP. Can't afford Club and can't face WhY.

Neither QR nor MH offer prem. Econ...

QR J is often cheaper than WTP!

stephem Aug 31, 13 11:32 am

It will be interesting to see what transatlantic BA flights get a QR code whe the codeshare agreement is released, I would love to see QR #s on the LCY-JFK flight.

themapelligroup Aug 31, 13 11:41 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21368033)
According to Business Traveller, BAEC members will indeed be able to earn Avios on QR flights from next Monday.

TPs, of course, will only be earned on fights taken after QR's official entry into oneworld, which is expected in October.

Better than nothing, let's see if the October deadline will be respected

londonbus Sep 1, 13 10:53 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21368043)
QR J is often cheaper than WTP!

Against BA Sale fares in T class... are you sure?

1010101 Sep 1, 13 9:32 pm


Originally Posted by londonbus (Post 21371992)
Against BA Sale fares in T class... are you sure?

Of course it's not. But if you look at a random date in the future, the price often wont be too far apart. For example I booked a QR J return from HKG and the price was approx 20% more to fly in a J class that is more like BA F than CW.

irishguy28 Sep 2, 13 2:36 am


Originally Posted by londonbus (Post 21371992)
Against BA Sale fares in T class... are you sure?

I just priced up my upcoming QR trip (bought during their most recent 6-day sale) in the current BA sale, and BA WTP comes out ~30 more expensive. Granted, on my dates the outbound fare was in E, not T.

Wozza2404 Sep 2, 13 2:47 am

The reason EY sees so much of my eastbound business is because I can stop in the UAE on the way back and see clients there. Even if I don't need to stop there, I still do because I'd rather fly a 7 hour leg, have a night in AUH or DXB and then do another 7 hours flight than spend 12 hours watching the same 4 films.

Plus the fact that a LHR-AUH-KUL-AUH-LHR itinerary in J is often <1650 in their sales, and that includes a car from the Midlands to LHR, a car from AUH to DXB should I want one, a car back from DXB-AUH and then a car from LHR to the Midlands. Saves me 50 in fuel, 150 in parking, and 100 in return taxis.

The downside to QR, for me, is that I don't like DOH anywhere near as much as AUH or DXB.

paulwuk Sep 2, 13 3:52 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21368043)
QR J is often cheaper than WTP!

Wow

Random route with a lot of advanced notice
MAN-SIN, dep Oct 13th, return Oct 17th

Giving 3 1/2 days in Singapore

Qatar: Business restricted (I): 2224 [560tp]
BA: 2773 [240tp]

For a more realistic notice period
Sep 15th-19th

Qatar: Business restricted (D/Z): 2630 [560tp]
BA: 2773 [240tp]

So still 140 cheaper!

One problem is that BA only off their discount WTP tickets when you have a Saturday night stay (not to mention an advanced purchase requirement)

Sam Bee Sep 2, 13 4:40 am

Just a word for those unfamiliar with QR pricing -

They have sale fares in some class to some destinations almost 90% of the time to somewhere - however - they tend to last 3-4 days then end, and a couple of days later switch to somewhere else.

i.e. J to SEA, then Y to ISC, then break, the 3 days to MEA in both classes, then Y to Phillipines. Inevitably if you miss a sale, another comes around a fortnight later.

But - if you see what you want and are tempted to book it - do, or very least check out the book by date. We will be getting lots of "Bangkok was 1500 in J yesterday in QR, today it's 3000, so I guess i'm travelling in BA WTP...".

Tip 2 - for those for whom EX-EU is not a problem before booking, do check ex-EU and back into LHR in case you get a pleasant surprise (:p) - and finally

Tip 3 - If you are travelling in Y - try and wait until the new airport is open, or definitely do not allow a 45 minute transfer especially if you have kids and buggies - guarantee you will have a prolonged period of 'will I / won't I' :)

Guy Betsy Sep 2, 13 4:52 am


Originally Posted by Malaysian16 (Post 21364920)
But do you get access to any lounge or even the premium terminal if travelling in Y as a BA Silver member?

Went through that (QR economy terminal) once and vowed never ever to be cattle herded like that again... :eek:

QR has lounges for its Silver and Gold members so I think you will be accommodated there. The Premium Lounges are exclusively for J/F class passengers.

nux Sep 2, 13 4:54 am

BA has posted the Qatar earning table:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...club/_gf/en_gb

irishguy28 Sep 2, 13 4:56 am


Originally Posted by nux (Post 21375447)
BA has posted the Qatar earning table:

Thanks for posting! I'd checked twice already this morning but they hadn't got around to posting it!

http://i42.tinypic.com/11ig869.jpg

themapelligroup Sep 2, 13 7:27 am

Good to know this is a bilateral agreement. I'm wondering if they'll add other booking classes (if they exist) once they're fully integrated into oneworld.

Wozza2404 Sep 2, 13 7:30 am


Originally Posted by themapelligroup (Post 21375804)
Good to know this is a bilateral agreement. I'm wondering if they'll add other booking classes (if they exist) once they're fully integrated into oneworld.

I can't see any missing QR booking classes on that list, but I guess I could be mistaken.

themapelligroup Sep 2, 13 7:36 am


Originally Posted by Wozza2404 (Post 21375817)
I can't see any missing QR booking classes on that list, but I guess I could be mistaken.

Thanks for the info. I assume V and W are deeply discounted economy fares, aren't they?

Sam Bee Sep 2, 13 7:57 am


Originally Posted by themapelligroup (Post 21375848)
Thanks for the info. I assume V and W are deeply discounted economy fares, aren't they?

Yes - W being the cheapest of the cheap.

But - from 01 Oct they are aligning booking classes with One Worlds just to complicate matters, so I presume this table will be updated - new classes are already loaded for travel from 01 Oct:

Travel until 30SEP13
W, V, E, H, U, K, Q, Business: Z, D
Travel from 01OCT13
O, Q, N, S, V, L, M, Business I, D

irishguy28 Sep 2, 13 8:20 am

All revenue fare codes are listed in BA's earning table.

As noted above, QR's fare structure changes for flights from 1 October onwards.

http://i39.tinypic.com/16kri53.jpg

So BA will have to update the table on 1 October. Which is looking increasingly likely to be the oneworld entry date...

DeanB Sep 2, 13 10:09 am

Presumably QR lounge privileges for BA Silver/Gold & OW equivalents won't start until QR officially joins OW?

irishguy28 Sep 2, 13 10:13 am

That would be correct, yes.

For now, all that happens is that you can earn Avios on QR.

Everything else (Tier Points, one world status recognition [luggage, lounge, etc]) has to wait.

themapelligroup Sep 2, 13 10:21 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 21376010)
All revenue fare codes are listed in BA's earning table.

As noted above, QR's fare structure changes for flights from 1 October onwards.

http://i39.tinypic.com/16kri53.jpg

So BA will have to update the table on 1 October. Which is looking increasingly likely to be the oneworld entry date...

Thanks for sharing! I recalled to have read that QR would have updated its booking classes but I wasn't sure. Everything's clearer now.

DeanB Sep 7, 13 10:08 am

So if I am reading the various charts correctly, QR I-class discounted business is what is currently called Z? (Post-Oct 1)

And that *should* in theory earn Avios?

themapelligroup Sep 7, 13 10:17 am


Originally Posted by DeanB (Post 21403803)
So if I am reading the various charts correctly, QR I-class discounted business is what is currently called Z? (Post-Oct 1)

And that *should* in theory earn Avios?

Exactly. According to the table listed above you can earn 125% avios.

Wozza2404 Sep 7, 13 11:02 am

Surely if 1/10 is still the join date, we can expect an announcement next week?

themapelligroup Sep 7, 13 11:07 am


Originally Posted by Wozza2404 (Post 21404003)
Surely if 1/10 is still the join date, we can expect an announcement next week?

It could also be October 4th when Qatar Airways will introduce its platinum level, equivalent to OWE. If October is confirmed we should hear of the date very shortly.

terminalfive Sep 7, 13 11:42 am

QR &amp; BA partnership commencing Monday 2 September 2013!
 
I'm on a Smartphone so can't check tables

Can someone confirm if all discount ex EUR Business fares will earn Avios plus Tier points as from 1 oct?

Thanks

themapelligroup Sep 7, 13 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by terminalfive (Post 21404173)
I'm on a Smartphone so can't check tables

Can someone confirm if all discount ex EUR Business fares will earn Avios plus Tier points as from 1 oct?

Thanks

You can earn avios but no tier points until QR officially joins. The date hasn't announced yet.

irishguy28 Sep 9, 13 2:36 am

QR joins oneworld on October 30.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qatar-to-joi...-on-october-30

Steve_ZA Sep 9, 13 2:51 am

Also in BT: Qatar Airways joins Oneworld 30 October

PDF of Press Release


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