Sep 14, 2014, 8:13 am
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BA FLEET: NEW AIRCRAFT ARRIVALS AND RETIREMENTS WIKI
BA are in the mid-stages of a large fleet renewal programme. The new aircraft enabled BA to retire the 767 and 737 Classic fleets with retirement of the 747 fleet and selected 777/A319 aircraft currently in progress.
This Wiki has been divided into:
BA are in the mid-stages of a large fleet renewal programme. The new aircraft enabled BA to retire the 767 and 737 Classic fleets with retirement of the 747 fleet and selected 777/A319 aircraft currently in progress.
This Wiki has been divided into:
- Projected Fleet
- New Arrivals
- Retrofits
- Retirements
- Historical Fleet
(Click on the aircraft type, where there is a link, to go to the relevant details in this wikipost.)
Projected Fleet
This renewal programme, which is being complemented with a cabin refresh for some of the older aircraft, is expected to see the following fleet numbers at year end 2022.
Heathrow Fleet and Gatwick Fleet
Shorthaul
• A319: 9 (38 currently in fleet)
• A320ceo: 67 (67 currently in fleet)
• A320neo: 22 (12 currently in fleet)
• A321ceo: 14 (14 currently in fleet)
• A321neo: 13 (9 currently in fleet)
Midhaul
• A321: 4 (4 currently in fleet)
Longhaul
• A350-1000: 18 (6 currently in fleet)
• A380: 12 (12 currently in fleet)
• B747-400: 12 (30 currently in fleet)
• B777-200ER: 43 (43 currently in fleet)
• B777-300ER: 16 (12 currently in fleet)
• B777-9: 8 (0 currently in fleet)
• B787-8: 12 (12 currently in fleet)
• B787-9: 18 (18 currently in fleet)
• B787-10: 9 (2 currently in fleet)
London City Fleet
Shorthaul
• E170 / E190: 28 (24 currently in fleet)
Longhaul
• A318: 1 (1 currently in fleet)
New Arrivals
Airbus A320ceo: Ten A320ceos were delivered between June 2013 and October 2014, based at LHR. Ten second hand A320ceos were delivered to LGW between December 2014 and August 2016. Details are archived here.
Airbus A320neo: 35 A320neo family aircraft (25 A320s and 10 A321s) were ordered to replace 21 of the older A319 and A320ceos and add extra capacity. Deliveries started in 2018. In May 2019 three A320neos were converted to A321neo bringing the split to 22 A320s and 13 A321s.
G-TTNA - Delivered on 10 Apr 2018
G-TTNB - Delivered on 25 Apr 2018
G-TTNC - Delivered on 07 Jun 2018
G-TTND - Delivered on 26 Jul 2018
G-TTNE - Delivered on 21 Sep 2018
G-TTNF - Delivered on 27 Oct 2018
G-TTNG - Delivered on 29 Nov 2018
G-TTNH - Delivered on 17 Jan 2019
G-TTNI - Delivered on 20 Feb 2019
G-TTNJ - Delivered on 28 Feb 2019
G-TTNK - Delivered on 27 Feb 2020
G-TTNL - Delivered on 09 Mar 2020
G-TTNM - Due in May 2020?
G-TTNN - Due in Jul 2020
G-TTNO - Due in Sep 2020
G-TTNP - Due in 2020
G-TTNR -
G-TTNS -
G-TTNT -
G-TTNU -
G-TTNV -
G-TTNW -
Airbus A321neo:
G-NEOR - Delivered on 23 Nov 2018
G-NEOS - Delivered on 29 Jan 2019
G-NEOT - Delivered on 01 Mar 2019
G-NEOP - Delivered on 27 Mar 2019
G-NEOU - Delivered on 10 May 2019
G-NEOV - Delivered on 30 Aug 2019
G-NEOW - Delivered on 25 Oct 2019
G-NEOX - Delivered on 23 Dec 2019
G-NEOZ - Delivered on 17 Mar 2020
G-NEOY - Due in May 2020?
G-TNEA -
G-TNEB -
G-TNEC -
Airbus A350: BA ordered 18 A350-1000s for delivery between 2019 and 2021. They will all be based at LHR are being delivered as 3-class in a 56J/56W/219Y configuration. Deliveries started in July 2019.
G-XWBA - Delivered on 27 Jul 2019
G-XWBB - Delivered on 19 Sep 2019
G-XWBC - Delivered on 26 Nov 2019
G-XWBD - Delivered on 23 Dec 2019
G-XWBE - Delivered on 12 Feb 2020
G-XWBF - Delivered on 20 May 2020
G-XWBG - Due in Jun 2020
G-XWBH - Due in Jul 2020
G-XWBI - Due in Oct 2020
G-XWBJ - Due in Jan 2021
G-XWBK - Due in Feb 2021
G-XWBL -
G-XWBM -
G-XWBN -
G-XWBO -
G-XWBP -
G-XWBR -
G-XWBS -
Airbus A380: Twelve A380s were delivered between July 2013 and June 2016 and are based at LHR. Details are archived here.
Boeing 777-300ER: Six 777-300ERs were delivered between September 2013 and August 2014 and are based at LHR. Details are archived here. A further three were ordered in November 2018, and a fourth in December 2018. These final four are due to be delivered from Q3 2020.
G-STBM - Due in Jul 2020?
G-STBN - Due in Aug 2020?
G-STBO - Due in 2020
G-STBP - Due in 2020
Boeing 777-9: In February 2019 BA announced an order for 18 Boeing 777-9 aircraft plus 24 options which will be powered by General Electric GE9X engines. Each aircraft will be fitted with 325 seats in a 4-class, 8F/65J/46W/206Y configuration. The 777-9s on order will be used to replace 14 Boeing 747-400 and four Boeing 777-200ER between 2022 and 2025.
Boeing 787-8: Twelve 787-8s were delivered between June 2013 and November 2018 and are based at LHR. Details are archived here.
Boeing 787-9: Eighteen 787-9s were delivered between September 2015 and June 2018 and are based at LHR. Details are archived here.
Boeing 787-10: BA has 12 787-10s on order to be delivered between 2020 and 2023: Each aircraft will be fitted with 256 seats in a 4 class 8F/48J/35W/165Y configuration.
G-ZBLA - Due 24th May 2020
G-ZBLB - Due in Jun 2020
G-ZBLC - Due in Aug 2020
G-ZBLD - Due in 2020
G-ZBLE - Due in 2020
G-ZBLF - Due in 2020
G-ZBLG - Due in 2021
G-ZBLH - Due in 2021
G-ZBLI - Due in 2022
G-ZBLJ - Due in 2023
G-ZBLK - Due in 2023
G-ZBLL - Due in 2023
Embraer 190: Three more new Embraer 190s were delivered in May 2014 and September 2014. Details are archived here. Seven second hand aircraft have since been sourced. Two more are due in 2020.
G-LCYV - Delivered on 19 Dec 2015
G-LCYW - Delivered on 25 May 2016
G-LCYX - Delivered on 10 Jul 2016
G-LCYY - Delivered on 22 Dec 2017
G-LCYZ - Delivered on 17 May 2018
G-LCAA - Delivered on 23 May 2019
G-LCAB - Delivered on 21 July 2019
G-LCAC - Due into service June 2020 (currently at WAW)
G-LCAD - Due in June / July 2020? (currently at CAN)
G-LCAE
G-LCAF
G-LCAG
G-LCAH
Retrofits
A320ceo:
The A320ceos currently based at LHR are being reconfigured from CY168 to CY180. These feature Pinnacle seats throughout and still have tables in CE, (unlike the A320neos).
There are currently 55 completed.
Completed (CY180):
G-EUUA/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/R/S/T/U/V/W/X/Y/Z
G-EUYA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N/O/P/R/S/T/U/V/W/X/Y
G-MEDK
G-MIDO/S/T/X/Y
G-TTOB/E
The following aircraft are currently undergoing cabin refit at Madrid:
G-EUUB/C
A321ceo (Completed):
All 14 shorthaul frames have now been reconfigured from a CY205 to a CY218. These feature Pinnacle seats throughout and still have tables in CE (unlike the A321neos). The four midhaul frames remain unchanged in a 23J/131Y layout.
Boeing 777-200ER:
For full details on the complete refit plan of the 777s, see the following detailed thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...8-onwards.html
LGW Cabin retrofit of 777-200ERs with 10-across economy seating and upgraded Panasonic IFE. These do notfeature the new Club World seat. This commenced in January 2018.
There are currently 14 completed.
Completed (32J/52W/252Y): G-VIIO/P/R/T/U/X
Completed (32J/48W/252Y): G-YMMB/C/D/E/F
Completed (14F/48J/40W/136Y): G-VIIV/W/Y
The following aircraft are currently undergoing cabin refit at
Cardiff:
None
LHR Cabin retrofit of 777-200ERs with 10-across economy seating and upgraded Panasonic IFE. These feature the new Club World seat. This commenced in August 2019.
There are currently 6 completed.
Completed (8F/49J/40W/138Y): G-VIIB/K/L/M/N, G-RAES
The following aircraft are currently undergoing cabin refit at Cardiff
G-VIIF - Arrived at CWL on 14 April
G-VIIA - Arrived at CWL on 25 April
Boeing 777-300ER:
Cabin retrofit to commence in October 2020 in an 8F/76J/40W/130Y configuration with the new Club World seat.
Retirement
With all the new arrivals there are also some much loved/hated (*delete as applicable) older aircraft heading for scrapping. Until 2015 most of these ended up in Victorville (VCV) in California for storage and ultimately part out for scrap. Since then most ex-BA planes have been sent to St Athan (DGX) in Wales for scrapping. Recent 747 retirements have been to Kemble (GBA) in England for scrapping.
Airbus A319:
G-DBCI - Retired to MAD on 07 Mar 2018
G-EUPV - Retired to DGX on 01 Nov 2018
G-EUOH - Retired to DGX on 05 Sep 2019
G-EUPX - Retired to DGX on 07 Sep 2019
G-EUOI - Retired to DGX on 04 Nov 2019
G-EUPE - Retired to DGX on 11 Mar 2020
G-EUOC - Retired to DGX on 11 Mar 2020
G-EUOD - Retired to DGX on 11 Mar 2020
G-EUOB - Retired to DGX on 16 Mar 2020
The next to be retired (subject to change) are:
G-EUPA - Due to be withdrawn in Sep 2020
G-EUPC - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2020
G-EUPB - Due to be withdrawn in Oct 2021
G-EUPF - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2021
G-EUPH - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2021
G-EUPJ - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2021
G-EUPK - Due to be withdrawn in Aug 2022
G-EUOE - Due to be withdrawn in Oct 2022
G-EUOF - Due to be withdrawn in Oct 2022
Airbus A320:
G-TTOB - Due to be withdrawn in Feb 2022
Boeing 747-400: As of 27 April 2020, 29 747-400s have been retired from the original fleet of 57, leaving 30 aircraft in service. Of those remaining, 17 are "super high-J" aircraft (14F / 86J / 30W / 145Y). (Cabin refresh dates here). The remaining 11 aircraft are "mid-J" aircraft. (14F / 52J / 36W / 235Y). (Cabin refresh dates here). All remaining aircraft have been refurbished.
The current plan is for all aircraft to be retired by February 2024. According to the Capital Markets Day presentation in November 2019, BA plan to have the following amount of 747s in the fleet at year end:
- 2020: 25 aircraft
- 2021: 20 aircraft
- 2022: 12 aircraft
- 2023: 3 aircraft
Since then the following have been retired:
G-BNLN - Retired to DGX on 24 Jun 2019
G-CIVG - Retired to DGX on 25 Nov 2019
G-CIVM - Retired to DGX on 16 Mar 2020
G-CIVL - Retired to GBA 14 Apr 2020
G-CIVJ - Retired to GBA 15 Apr 2020
G-CIVN - Retired to GBA on 16 Apr 2020
For a further analysis of the fleet and retirement plans: see Globaliser's tracker.
The last known planned dates of the next retirements were as follows (but should all be regarded as subject to change). All the retirements will be of the "mid-J" configuration unless stated otherwise.
G-CIVI - Due to be retired in Apr 2020 [super high-J]
G-CIVD - Due to be retired in May 2020
G-CIVH - Due to be retired in Jun 2020 [super high-J]
G-CIVK - Due to be retired in Jan 2021
G-CIVF - Due to be retired in Jun 2021 [super high-J]
G-CIVB - Due to be retired in 2022
G-CIVC - Due to be retired in Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Due to be retired in Nov 2022
G-BYGC - Due to be retired in 2023 [super high-J]
G-BNLY - Due to be retired in 2023
Boeing 777-200:
G-ZZZC - Retired to DGX on 13 Jan 2020
G-ZZZA - Due to be retired in Sep 2020 [potential early retirement - stored at LHR 19 Mar 2020]
G-ZZZB - Due to be retired in Oct 2020 [potential early retirement - stored at LHR 20 Mar 2020]
Embraer 170:
G-LCYE - Retired to WAW on 07 May 2020
Historical Fleet
Boeing 737: The last remaining 737 was retired in Oct 2015. Details are archived here.
Boeing 767: The last remaining 767 was retired in Nov 2018. Details are archived here.
BA Fleet : New aircraft arrivals and retirements master tracker
Nov 7, 2014, 9:41 am
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CY259 vs CY188 (now CY205?) is still a decent capacity difference though. Roughly the same difference between the capacity of an A318 and an A321 (via two other models).
Nov 8, 2014, 7:35 am
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G-GATJ is currently due to be delivered WOE–LGW on 14/Nov at 1700 as BA9259P.
Nov 8, 2014, 7:39 am
#843
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Perhaps when delivery schedules ease a bit they'll get some 787-9s for European routes.
Nov 8, 2014, 8:39 am
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Reading the Capital Markets day presentation, one of IAG Cargo's current strategies appears to be to operate a widebody air bridge between LHR and MAD (presumably to link BA and IB's cargo networks), so I wouldn't be surprised to see the 767s stick around for a bit for that role.
Perhaps when delivery schedules ease a bit they'll get some 787-9s for European routes.
Perhaps when delivery schedules ease a bit they'll get some 787-9s for European routes.
(*very rough estimations)
Nov 8, 2014, 8:50 am
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A senior BA pilot told me recently that, when the 767s are gone, the routes on which they operated would be replaced by A321s. Any additional cargo space required for those routes which exceeds what the A321 can carry would be transported by BA Cargo, or more probably, be outsourced.
Nov 8, 2014, 9:00 am
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G-GATJ eh? A320.....
So, service in El. Salvidor, then with Indian airline Go, then to Onur air in Turkey.....
Laid up for a while and now rolled out to Gatwick.... 13 years old, too.
So, service in El. Salvidor, then with Indian airline Go, then to Onur air in Turkey.....
Laid up for a while and now rolled out to Gatwick.... 13 years old, too.
Nov 8, 2014, 9:03 am
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Nov 8, 2014, 9:04 am
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A senior BA pilot told me recently that, when the 767s are gone, the routes on which they operated would be replaced by A321s. Any additional cargo space required for those routes which exceeds what the A321 can carry would be transported by BA Cargo, or more probably, be outsourced.
Nov 8, 2014, 10:33 am
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What point are you trying to make?
Quite a number of BA's A320/A319 fleet are 12 to 14 years old. I also believe some are also leased.
The 10 Airbus that are being leased will have or already have had a full maintenance check and will be refitted with the new style cabins(I believe 171 seats). Yes more than 168, but not the 180 of EasyJet.
The majority of passengers will probably assume a new to newish plane. Does it really matter?
As far as I am concerned if the leased A320s along with the other 15 or so A319/A320 that will based at Gatwick next year help that base move forward it can only be a good thing.
At the IAG markets day Willie Walsh said several times that Gatwick short-haul was ahead of planned targets but still had a way to go. Actually at the moment it was profitable but that they need to make this sustainable. Replacing the final 737s is part of this process and the leased A320s were probably a cost effective way of doing so at the moment.
V.
What point are you trying to make?
Quite a number of BA's A320/A319 fleet are 12 to 14 years old. I also believe some are also leased.
The 10 Airbus that are being leased will have or already have had a full maintenance check and will be refitted with the new style cabins(I believe 171 seats). Yes more than 168, but not the 180 of EasyJet.
The majority of passengers will probably assume a new to newish plane. Does it really matter?
As far as I am concerned if the leased A320s along with the other 15 or so A319/A320 that will based at Gatwick next year help that base move forward it can only be a good thing.
At the IAG markets day Willie Walsh said several times that Gatwick short-haul was ahead of planned targets but still had a way to go. Actually at the moment it was profitable but that they need to make this sustainable. Replacing the final 737s is part of this process and the leased A320s were probably a cost effective way of doing so at the moment.
V.
Nov 8, 2014, 11:49 am
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On a side note, Airbus is exploring a version of the A321neo to provide a 757 replacement, which would have a range of about 4000nmi, appealing to e.g. AA and Delta who frequently operate 757s TATL.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-1...7-s-niche.html
Nov 8, 2014, 2:25 pm
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The 10 Airbus that are being leased will have or already have had a full maintenance check and will be refitted with the new style cabins(I believe 171 seats). Yes more than 168, but not the 180 of EasyJet.
The majority of passengers will probably assume a new to newish plane. Does it really matter?
The majority of passengers will probably assume a new to newish plane. Does it really matter?
To take one example: QF (no slouch in the operational safety stakes) bought a couple of 747s from MH. They, too, had a full maintenance check and were newly fitted with QF cabins. They were operated by QF for a number of years. Then QF found some hidden damage caused by maintenance error, with one aircraft being very close to being declared irreparable and therefore being written off.
Or, to take another example, suppose hypothetically that someone had bought this 742 from China Airlines in, say, 2000. She was literally an accident waiting to happen, because of maintenance error that had been undetectable.
Should the majority of passengers remain happy in their erroneous assumption that they're flying on a new or newish BA aircraft?
Nov 8, 2014, 3:42 pm
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Nov 8, 2014, 3:52 pm
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There could be lurking issues. We just don't know.
Or, to take another example, suppose hypothetically that someone had bought this 742 from China Airlines in, say, 2000. She was literally an accident waiting to happen, because of maintenance error that had been undetectable.
Or, to take another example, suppose hypothetically that someone had bought this 742 from China Airlines in, say, 2000. She was literally an accident waiting to happen, because of maintenance error that had been undetectable.
The China Airlines defect was more than detectable. It's just that no-one had any reason to check, whereas BA do.
There is no reason why BA can-not inspect any critical and important repairs such as these (if any) to ensure that they comply with regulations and spec. I should think BA Engineering have this in mind especially in light of past incidents including those that you mention.
Nov 8, 2014, 4:15 pm
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Vectismanpaul.....
I have listed the previous operators of this aircraft. ( G-GATJ )
True, BA at Gatwick have leased some 737 aircraft (300 and 500 series) and inherited some interesting frames from B. Cal.... Which is at variance with what BA normally do, which is operate and maintain aircraft from new.
I have listed the previous operators of this aircraft. ( G-GATJ )
True, BA at Gatwick have leased some 737 aircraft (300 and 500 series) and inherited some interesting frames from B. Cal.... Which is at variance with what BA normally do, which is operate and maintain aircraft from new.
Nov 8, 2014, 5:32 pm
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There is no reason why BA can-not inspect any critical and important repairs such as these (if any) to ensure that they comply with regulations and spec. I should think BA Engineering have this in mind especially in light of past incidents including those that you mention.
But the QF example shows that even with the best will in the world, if someone at the previous owner has done something dodgy to the aircraft, it might be a while before you find out and it might be very expensive.
So one always has to ask the question: In whose hands has it been before? I'm not surprised that some people are a bit sceptical about these aircraft.