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BA FLEET: NEW AIRCRAFT ARRIVALS AND RETIREMENTS WIKI

BA are in the mid-stages of a large fleet renewal programme with over 100 new aircraft on order for delivery in the 2010s. The new aircraft have enabled BA to retire the 737 and 767 fleets and will eventually allow the retirement of the 747 fleet plus the addition of new routes, both shorthaul and longhaul. It will see the start of the shorthaul fleet replacement with the latest A320neo family. BA have not yet announced a replacement aircraft for the 777s but it is likely that some of the older 772s will be retired and replaced within the next decade too.

This renewal programme, which is being complemented with a cabin refresh for some of the older aircraft, will see the following fleet in 2021.

(Click on the aircraft type, where there is a link, to go to the relevant details in this wikipost.)

Heathrow: Heathrow Fleet
Shorthaul
A319: 27*
A320ceo: 67*
A320neo: 25
A321ceo: 18**
A321neo: 10
(All configured with the New Shorthaul Cabins)

Midhaul
A321: 4

Longhaul
A350: 18 (Featuring the next generation CW seat)
A380: 12
B744: up to 30 (18 refreshed with new seat covers, new Panasonic IFE and reconfigured 86J)
B772: 46*
B77W: 16
B779: 18
B787-8: 12
B787-9: 18
B787-10: 12

Gatwick: Gatwick Fleet
Shorthaul
A319: 10* (all ex-bmi aircraft)
A320ceo: 16*(6 ex-bmi aircraft plus 10 second hand A320s with the same new seats as the LHR A320s)
A320ceo Small number of A320s used from LHR - Aircraft vary.

Longhaul
B772: 14

* Numbers shown under LHR are the totals for the A319, A320 and B772 - the only aircraft that are also operated at LGW

London City: London City Fleet
Shorthaul
E170: 6
E190: 16

Longhaul
A318: 1

NEW ARRIVALS

Airbus A320ceo: BA received 40 aircraft to expand the capacity of the shorthaul fleet at LHR and also replace the 737s at LGW.

Ten A320ceos were delivered between June 2013 and Oct 2014. All ten are based at LHR with the ex-bmi A319s and A320s now based at LGW.

G-EUYO - Delivered on 13 Jun 2013
G-EUYP - Delivered on 09 Oct 2013
G-EUYR - Delivered on 21 Nov 2013
G-EUYS - Delivered on 30 Jan 2014
G-EUYT - Delivered on 20 Feb 2014
G-EUYU - Delivered on 20 Mar 2014
G-EUYV - Delivered on 16 May 2014
G-EUYW - Delivered on 05 Jun 2014
G-EUYX - Delivered on 03 Jul 2014
G-EUYY - Delivered on 09 Oct 2014

Ten second hand A320ceos were due to be delivered between Oct 2014 and Sep 2015. Due to many problems with the aircraft the deliveries were delayed and one was in such poor condition that the lease was cancelled and a replacement had to be found. All ten are based at LGW.

G-GATH - Delivered on 03 Apr 2015
G-GATJ - Delivered on 24 Dec 2014
G-GATK - Delivered on 12 Dec 2014
G-GATL - Delivered on 16 Jan 2015
G-GATM - Delivered on 17 Feb 2015
G-GATN - Delivered on 24 Jul 2015
G-GATP - Delivered on 06 Aug 2015
G-GATR - Delivered on 04 Dec 2015
G-GATS - Delivered on 04 Sep 2015
G-GATU - Delivered on 11 Aug 2016

Airbus A320neo: 35 A320neo family aircraft (25 A320s and 10 A321s) have been ordered to replace 21 of the older A319 and A320ceos and add extra capacity. Deliveries started in 2018.

G-TTNA - Delivered on 10 Apr 2018
G-TTNB - Delivered on 25 Apr 2018
G-TTNC - Delivered on 07 Jun 2018
G-TTND - Delivered on 26 Jul 2018
G-TTNE - Delivered on 21 Sep 2018
G-TTNF - Delivered on 27 Oct 2018
G-TTNG - Delivered on 29 Nov 2018
G-TTNH - Delivered on 17 Jan 2019
G-TTNI - Delivered on 20 Feb 2019
G-TTNJ - Delivered on 28 Feb 2019
G-TTNK - Due in 2019
G-TTNL - Due in 2019
G-TTNM -
G-TTNN -
G-TTNO -
G-TTNP -
G-TTNR -
G-TTNS -
G-TTNT -
G-TTNU -
G-TTNV -
G-TTNW -
G-TTNX -
G-TTNY -
G-TTNZ -

Airbus A321neo:

G-NEOP - Due in Apr 2019
G-NEOR - Delivered on 23 Nov 2018
G-NEOS - Delivered on 29 Jan 2019
G-NEOT - Delivered on 01 Mar 2019
G-NEOU - Due in May 2019
G-NEOV - Due in Jul 2019
G-NEOW - Due in Sep 2019
G-NEOX - Due in Oct 2019
G-NEOY - Due in Oct 2019
G-NEOZ - Due in Nov 2019

Airbus A350: BA has ordered 18 A350-1000s for delivery between 2019 and 2021. They will all be based at LHR. They have four planned for delivery by the end of 2019 with the initial batch being delivered as 3-class in a 56J/56W/219Y configuration.

G-XWBA - Due in July 2019
G-XWBB - Due in Sep 2019
G-XWBC - Due in Nov 2019
G-XWBD - Due in Dec 2019

Airbus A380: BA had 12 on order for delivery between 2013 and 2016. All 12 have been delivered and are based at LHR.

G-XLEA - Delivered on 04 Jul 2013
G-XLEB - Delivered on 20 Sep 2013
G-XLEC - Delivered on 19 Oct 2013
G-XLED - Delivered on 17 Jan 2014
G-XLEE - Delivered on 06 Mar 2014
G-XLEF - Delivered on 15 May 2014
G-XLEG - Delivered on 11 Sep 2014
G-XLEH - Delivered on 16 Oct 2014
G-XLEI - Delivered on 13 Feb 2015
G-XLEJ - Delivered on 10 Nov 2015
G-XLEK - Delivered on 03 Feb 2016
G-XLEL - Delivered on 22 Jun 2016

Boeing 777-300ER: BA ordered six more for delivery in 2013/14 taking the total number in the fleet to 12 (in addition to 43 777-200ERs and three 777-200s). All six have been delivered and are based at LHR. A further three were ordered in November 2018, and a fourth in December 2018. These final four are due to be delivered from Q3 2020.

G-STBG - Delivered on 29 Sep 2013
G-STBH - Delivered on 05 Nov 2013
G-STBI - Delivered on 11 Feb 2014
G-STBJ - Delivered on 20 Mar 2014
G-STBK - Delivered on 12 Jun 2014
G-STBL - Delivered on 12 Aug 2014
G-STBM - Due in Q3 2020
G-STBN - Due in 2020
G-STBO - Due in 2020
G-STBP - Due in 2020

Boeing 777-9: BA announced on 28th February 2019 an order for 18 Boeing 777-9 aircraft plus 24 options and will be powered by General Electric GE9X engines. Each aircraft will be fitted with 325 seats in a 4-class, 8F/65J/46W/206Y configuration. The 777-9s on order will be used to replace 14 Boeing 747-400 and four Boeing 777-200ER between 2022 and 2025.

Boeing 787: BA ordered 42 for delivery from Jun 2013 through to 2023. They are a mix of 787-8s, 787-9s and 787-10s. They will all be based at LHR.
BA originally ordered eight 787-8s. Four 787-9 orders were changed to 787-8s so 12 have been delivered.

G-ZBJA - Delivered on 30 Jun 2013
G-ZBJB - Delivered on 27 Jun 2013
G-ZBJC - Delivered on 03 Sep 2013
G-ZBJD - Delivered on 29 Sep 2013
G-ZBJE - Delivered on 17 May 2014
G-ZBJF - Delivered on 26 May 2014
G-ZBJG - Delivered on 09 Jul 2014
G-ZBJH - Delivered on 15 Aug 2014
G-ZBJI - Delivered on 26 Sep 2017
G-ZBJJ - Delivered on 14 Jun 2018
G-ZBJK - Delivered on 14 Sep 2018
G-ZBJM - Delivered on 16 Nov 2018

22 787-9s were originally ordered but four were changed to 787-8s so 18 have been delivered. These have a "refreshed" First cabin (the 787-8 does not have a First cabin) and an unchanged CW, WT+ and WT seat.

G-ZBKA - Delivered on 30 Sep 2015
G-ZBKB - Delivered on 22 Oct 2015
G-ZBKC - Delivered on 25 Oct 2015
G-ZBKD - Delivered on 24 Nov 2015
G-ZBKE - Delivered on 29 Nov 2015
G-ZBKF - Delivered on 31 Jan 2016
G-ZBKG - Delivered on 31 Aug 2016
G-ZBKH - Delivered on 02 Jul 2016
G-ZBKI - Delivered on 23 Mar 2016
G-ZBKJ - Delivered on 30 Apr 2016
G-ZBKK - Delivered on 24 Jun 2016
G-ZBKL - Delivered on 22 Jul 2016
G-ZBKM - Delivered on 30 Jul 2016
G-ZBKN - Delivered on 09 Sep 2016
G-ZBKO - Delivered on 27 Sep 2016
G-ZBKP - Delivered on 09 Dec 2016
G-ZBKR - Delivered on 29 Mar 2018
G-ZBKS - Delivered on 01 Jun 2018

BA has 12 787-10s on order to be delivered between 2020 and 2023.

G-ZBLA - Due in Q1 2020
G-ZBLB - Due in 2020
G-ZBLC - Due in 2020
G-ZBLD - Due in 2020
G-ZBLE - Due in 2020
G-ZBLF - Due in 2020
G-ZBLG - Due in 2021
G-ZBLH - Due in 2021
G-ZBLI - Due in 2022
G-ZBLJ - Due in 2023
G-ZBLK - Due in 2023
G-ZBLL - Due in 2023

Embraer 190: Fleet now up to 16 aircraft since five second hand aircraft have been sourced (G-LCYV-Z). Four more are due in 2019.

G-LCYS - Delivered on 31 May 2014
G-LCYT - Delivered on 31 May 2014
G-LCYU - Delivered on 04 Sep 2014
G-LCYV - Delivered on 19 Dec 2015
G-LCYW - Delivered on 25 May 2016
G-LCYX - Delivered on 10 Jul 2016
G-LCYY - Delivered on 22 Dec 2017
G-LCYZ - Delivered on 17 May 2018
G-LC?? - Due in 2019
G-LC?? - Due in 2019
G-LC?? - Due in 2019
G-LC?? - Due in 2019

RETIREMENTS

With all the new arrivals there are also some much loved/hated (*delete as applicable) older aircraft heading for the chop. Until 2015 most of these ended up in Victorville (VCV) in California for storage and ultimately part out for scrap. Since 2016 most ex-BA planes have been sent to St Athan (DGX) in Wales for scrapping.

Airbus A319:

G-DBCI - Retired to MAD on 07 Mar 2018
G-EUPV - Retired to DGX on 01 Nov 2018

The next to be retired are:

G-EUOH - Due to be withdrawn in Sep 2019
G-EUOE - Due to be withdrawn in Sep 2019
G-EUPX - Due to be withdrawn in Oct 2019
G-EUOB - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2019
G-EUOC - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2019
G-EUOD - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2019
G-EUOF - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2019
G-EUOG - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2019
G-EUOI - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2019
G-EUPE - Due to be withdrawn in Dec 2019
G-EUPW - Due to be withdrawn in Jan 2020
G-EUPA - Due to be withdrawn in Sep 2020
G-EUPB - Due to be withdrawn in Oct 2020
G-EUPC - Due to be withdrawn in Nov 2020
G-DBCA - Due to be withdrawn in Dec 2020

Boeing 737: All Retired

G-DOCU - Retired to VCV on 03 Aug 2013
G-DOCV - Retired to VCV on 27 Oct 2013
G-DOCH - Retired to VCV on 08 Nov 2013
G-DOCG - Retired to VCV on 15 Dec 2013
G-DOCE - Retired to VCV on 02 Feb 2014
G-DOCS - Retired to VCV on 09 Jun 2014
G-DOCB - Retired and donated to CFL on 23 Oct 2014
G-DOCA - Retired to VCV on 10 Nov 2014
G-DOCN - Retired to VCV on 12 Nov 2014
G-GBTA - Retired to VCV on 27 Nov 2014
G-DOCL - Retired to VCV on 03 Dec 2014
G-DOCT - Retired to VCV on 11 Dec 2014
G-DOCZ - Retired to VCV on 18 Dec 2014
G-DOCY - Retired to VCV on 07 Jan 2015
G-GBTB - Retired to VCV on 01 Jun 2015
G-DOCF - Retired to VCV on 02 Jul 2015
G-DOCO - Retired to VCV on 02 Sep 2015
G-DOCW - Retired to VCV on 01 Oct 2015
G-DOCX - Retired to VCV on 01 Oct 2015

Boeing 747:

The fleet has been reduced from 57 to 34. The current plan is for all aircraft to be retired by February 2024. BA plan to have the following amount of 747s in their fleet at year end:-
  • 2019: 32 aircraft
  • 2020: 27 aircraft
  • 2021: 20 aircraft
  • 2022: 13 aircraft
  • 2023: 3 aircraft

G-BNLH - Retired to VCV in Oct 2009
G-BNLA - Retired to VCV in Nov 2009
G-BNLD - Retired to VCV in Feb 2010
G-BNLB - Retired to CWL in Nov 2011
G-BNLC - Retired to CWL in Nov 2011
G-BNLM - Retired to VCV on 09 Dec 2013
G-BNLL - Written off JNB on 22 Dec 2013
G-BNLR - Retired to VCV on 31 Jan 2014
G-BNLT - Retired to VCV on 23 Apr 2014
G-BNLS - Retired to VCV on 20 May 2014
G-BNLI - Retired to VCV on 20 Aug 2014
G-BNLU - Retired to VCV on 03 Nov 2014
G-BNLE - Retired to VCV on 27 Nov 2014
G-BNLG - Retired to VCV on 15 Dec 2014
G-BNLZ - Retired to GBA on 12 May 2015
G-BNLW - Retired to GBA on 07 Dec 2015
G-BNLX - Retired to DGX on 11 Feb 2016
G-BNLF - Retired to TEV on 24 May 2016
G-BNLV - Retired to TEV on 06 Aug 2016
G-BNLJ - Retired to TEV on 11 Oct 2016
G-BNLO - Retired to TEV on 22 Mar 2017
G-BNLP - Retired to DGX on 03 Dec 2018
G-BNLK - Retired to DGX on 15 Jan 2019

Of the 34 remaining in service, 18 are "super high-J" aircraft (14F / 86J / 30W / 145Y), all of which have received a cabin refresh. The remaining 16 aircraft are "mid-J" (14F / 52J / 36W / 235Y), some of which are receiving a cabin refresh. All aircraft are fitted with New First.

For an analysis of the fleet and retirement plans: see Globaliser's tracker.

The last known planned dates of the next retirements were as follows (but should all be regarded as subject to change). All the retirements will be of the "mid-J" configuration unless stated otherwise.

G-BNLN - Due to be retired in Jul 2019
G-CIVG - Due to be retired in Nov 2019 [super high-J]
G-CIVD - Due to be retired in May 2020
G-CIVH - Due to be retired in Jun 2020 [super high-J]
G-CIVJ - Due to be retired in Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Due to be retired in Oct 2020 [super high-J]
G-CIVL - Due to be retired in Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Due to be retired in Jan 2021
G-CIVM - Due to be retired in Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Due to be retired in Feb 2021
G-CIVF - Due to be retired in Jun 2021 [super high-J]
G-CIVB - Due to be retired in 2022
G-CIVC - Due to be retired in Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Due to be retired in Nov 2022
G-BYGC - Due to be retired in 2023 [super high-J]
G-BNLY - Due to be retired in 2023

Boeing 767: All retired

G-BNWR - Retired to VCV on 10 Nov 2013
G-BNWN - Retired to VCV on 10 Mar 2014
G-BNWU - Retired to VCV on 15 May 2014
G-BNWH - Retired to VCV on 18 Aug 2014
G-BNWO - Retired to VCV on 16 Sept 2014
G-BNWC - Retired to VCV on 23 Sept 2014
G-BNWD - Retired to VCV on 08 Jan 2015
G-BNWV - Retired to SFB on 28 Oct 2015
G-BNWS - Retired to GBA on 14 Dec 2015
G-BNWT - Retired to SFB on 23 Mar 2016
G-BNWM - Retired to DGX on 15 Jul 2016
G-BNWI - Withdrawn to CBG on 01 Aug 2016 (Transferred to Open Skies)
G-BNWW - Retired to DGX on 05 Aug 2016
G-BNWY - Retired to DGX on 02 Sep 2016
G-BNWA - Retired to DGX on 18 Jul 2018
G-BNWB - Retired to DGX on 27 Jul 2018
G-BNWX - Retired to DGX on 01 Nov 2018
G-BZHC - Retired to DGX on 05 Nov 2018
G-BNWZ - Retired to DGX on 07 Nov 2018
G-BZHA - Retired to DGX on 26 Nov 2018
G-BZHB - Retired to DGX on 26 Nov 2018

Boeing 777-200:

G-ZZZC - Due to be retired in Jan 2020
G-ZZZA - Due to be retired in Sep 2020
G-ZZZB - Due to be retired in Oct 2020

CABIN RETROFITS

A320ceo:

The A320ceos currently based at LHR are being reconfigured from CY168 to CY180. These feature Pinnacle seats throughout and still have tables in CE, (unlike the A320neos). There are currently 11 completed.

Completed:

G-EUUU/V/W/Y/Z
G-EUYS/T/U/V/W
G-MIDS

The following aircraft are currently undergoing cabin refit at Prestwick:

G-EUYX - Arrived Prestwick 5 March, Completion due 20 March
G-MIDO - Arrived Prestwick 10 March, Completion due 25 March

Completed due dates are subject to change. The date shown is based on work taking a average of 14 days.

A321ceo:

All 14 shorthaul frames have now been reconfigured from a CY205 to a CY218. These feature Pinnacle seats throughout and still have tables in CE (unlike the A321neos). The four midhaul frames remain unchanged in a 23J/131Y layout.

Completed:

G-EUXC/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M
G-MEDL/M/N


Boeing 777-200ER:

Cabin retrofit of all but three of the three class 777-200ERs to 32J/52W/252Y (10-across economy) seating with upgraded Panasonic IFE commenced Jan 2018. There are currently six completed, all based at LGW.

Completed: G-VIIO/P/R/T/U/X

Cabin retrofit of all LGW four class 777-200ERs commenced Dec 2018. To be fitted with upgraded Panasonic IFE and ten across economy seating. New configuration will be 14F/48J/40W/136Y

Completed: G-VIIV

The following aircraft is currently undergoing refit in Singapore:

G-VIIW
- Arrived Singapore 18 February, Completion due 25 March

Completion due date is subject to change. The date shown is based on work taking approx 5 weeks

Boeing 777-300ER:

Cabin retrofit to commence Sep 2020 - No further details (but likely to same configuration as the 4 new orders arriving in 2020/2021.)
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Old Dec 12, 18, 7:33 am
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Has G-BNLK finally reached the end? I notice that she hasn't been anywhere since arriving back from MIA on 8 December.
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Old Dec 12, 18, 9:48 am
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Has G-BNLK finally reached the end? I notice that she hasn't been anywhere since arriving back from MIA on 8 December.
No, shes carrying on!

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BA157 LHR2155 KWI0705
BA156 KWI0850 LHR1305

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BA113 LHR1620 JFK1930
BA114 JFK2145 LHR0935

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BA289 LHR1435 PHX1835
BA288 PHX2045 LHR1335

It seems her planned retirement is now around 15th January 2019.
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Old Dec 12, 18, 10:02 am
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It seems her planned retirement is now around 15th January 2019.
Thanks - I will update.
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Old Dec 12, 18, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser View Post
Has G-BNLK finally reached the end? I notice that she hasn't been anywhere since arriving back from MIA on 8 December.
I have no information but I wonder if they are keeping it around for a few weeks to have excess capacity in case something goes tech over the holiday period.

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Old Dec 12, 18, 11:43 am
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Originally Posted by TCX69 View Post


No, shes carrying on!

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BA157 LHR2155 KWI0705
BA156 KWI0850 LHR1305

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BA113 LHR1620 JFK1930
BA114 JFK2145 LHR0935

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BA289 LHR1435 PHX1835
BA288 PHX2045 LHR1335

It seems her planned retirement is now around 15th January 2019.
where is it possible to see planned tail no s for a flight longer than you can see on FR24?
i am going on BA211 to MIA january 2
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Old Dec 12, 18, 11:44 am
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where is it possible to see planned tail no s for a flight longer than you can see on FR24?
Generally, I think you need to be an insider.
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Originally Posted by Jambon87 View Post
Was on NEOR yesterday on the BA1486 (LHR>GLA) what a treat to be on a clean plane!

The noticable difference in the NEO is the lack of engine noise in flight. I was sitting at 27F.


Where are the really handy iPad hanging holes at the top of each seat?
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Old Dec 13, 18, 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by george77300 View Post


Firstly it was announced by Boeing at Farnborough and for 3 frames. Not saying you are wrong necessarily but all other sources and Boeing say three? Mistype in Market Day perhaps?



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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/farnborough-ba-to-take-three-more-777-300ers-on-le-450528/

Edit: Here is the Boeing Press Release on the matter for 3 777 released at the Farnborough Air Show. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07...-777-Airplanes


So you're assuming the three that were announced for BA at Farnborough via an unnamed lessor and the three that BOC have just announced to go to an unnamed airline are the same aircraft? They may be. They may not.
I see in Boeing's latest orders and deliveries sheets the 777s that were announced at Farnborough for Novus Aviation Capital have appeared. An order for three aircraft was firmed up on November 30th. These may or may not be destined to be BA's planes.
I don't know what the answer is. It could still be none of the above.
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So you're assuming the three that were announced for BA at Farnborough via an unnamed lessor and the three that BOC have just announced to go to an unnamed airline are the same aircraft? They may be. They may not.
I see in Boeing's latest orders and deliveries sheets the 777s that were announced at Farnborough for Novus Aviation Capital have appeared. An order for three aircraft was firmed up on November 30th. These may or may not be destined to be BA's planes.
I don't know what the answer is. It could still be none of the above.
Agreed. I dont know 100% but Id be willing to bet one of the Novus/BOC is BAs 777 as they are both 3 frame orders. As for the other 3 then who knows. If it isnt either then BAs then BA have none in order firmed yet. No outstanding 777 for IAG/BA or lessor unaccounted for except these two orders for three.
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Are BA likely to have some of the last 77Ws built?
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Old Dec 14, 18, 1:43 am
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Originally Posted by bmibaby737 View Post
Are BA likely to have some of the last 77W’s built?
Yep. Boeing only have 41 of them left to assemble unless they take any more orders. They've pushed out 31 so far this year so 2020 will see the last few come off the production line. Boeing already have four 777-9s in assembly so they're in the transition period now.
It does make you wonder why BA haven't gone for the newer models. I think we can safely assume price is the main factor.

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It does make you wonder why BA haven't gone for the newer models. I think we can safely assume price is the main factor.
I wonder whether there was also a timing question, ie the 77Ws could come much faster, if a temporary stopgap is what BA is really looking for.
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Originally Posted by Globaliser View Post
I wonder whether there was also a timing question, ie the 77Ws could come much faster, if a temporary stopgap is what BA is really looking for.
As others have pointed out, there is a strong likelihood (unconfirmed) that the 77Ws will be reconfigured in a Hi-J layout to replace the similarly named 744 sub-fleet. That being the case, a top up would be needed. Although, with 12 in the fleet and another 4 to come, that isnt quite a one for one replacement for the 18 744s.
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Interesting. I wonder if they would retain F in that super-Hi-J layout? I guess 3-4-3 is a certainty for these aircraft.

At a rough guess the 77Ws could end up with something like 8F/80J/40W/130Y Vs 14F/56J/44W/183Y today. There are quite a few assumptions though, F could become a 4 "suite" cabin, J likely won't be as space efficient as it is currently and BA may prefer to increase the size of the W cabin at the expense of 86J.

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Originally Posted by Schind View Post
It does make you wonder why BA haven't gone for the newer models. I think we can safely assume price is the main factor.
While cost is definitely a strong factor, BA have been on record a few times saying they will never take early production models of any new plane again after the issues they encountered with the B744 fleet. The few B777A models they bought did go against that trend, but otherwise you can see the orders placed for the B787, A380 and A350 fleet have all been for production slots on a well established line.

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