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Old Aug 18, 2013, 2:36 pm
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See also this thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ing-guide.html
For details of suitable hotels for those doing a last flight/first flight turnaround, please see this thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...rt-hotels.html

Order: Back-to-back Transfer Landside Notes
[so Excellent for back to back usually means an easy airside transfer with few risks]
ABZ: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall.
ACE: Reasonable if off season, there is a transfer channel just before passports Reasonable Reasonable
AGP: Excellent for Schengen, Risky if not. Schengen - immediate turnaround possible at gate area. Non-Schengen - There is a transit passageway back to airside on the left after passports, but there can be long delays at passports, achievable if you are willing to politely push in the queue.
see here.
ALC: Reasonable if off season, but you do need to go fully airside if non Schengen. Small and efficient airport. Peak time: see here.
ALG: Impractical due to visa and immigration processes. See post 2224.
AMS: Excellent Excellent Poor Arrivals decant into departure hall normally.
ANE: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk. You may want to telephone the airport to let them know since there's no OLCI facility.
ARN: Excellent Good Reasonable (arriving pax should watch for sign to gates 70-82) * see posts 593, 238 & 1298 for more details.
ATH: Reasonable but don't hang about, you need to enter Schengen immigration, then leave Schengen, and a fairly efficient security check. Distances aren't great.
BCN: Good to excellent - bit of a walk - small flight connection facility to the left of passport control, dedicated security but no passports Good if non-Schengen, Reasonable if Schengen Reasonable
BGO: Excellent Excellent Excellent, borderline foolproof though only restricted number of flights Arrivals decant into departure hall.
BHD: Excellent - use stairs upwards between gates 5 and 6, against flow Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable
BIO: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus Reasonable Reasonable
BIQ: Reasonable, involves going through passports to landside, security and passports again, but you need to be off early since passport checks are thorough.
BJV: Not really feasible, there is no online check-in or App facility, you must check in at the gate.
BOD: Reasonable but does involve going landside and back again. However it's a small airport and efficient.
BLL: Good (there is a clear transfer route after passport control to avoid a security check Good Good
BLQ: Good (small airport but you have to go landside) Reasonable Reasonable (bus gates)
BRI: Good (small airport but you have to go landside) Reasonable Reasonable
BSL: Good Good Good (Bit of a walk to landside, but it's not a huge airport. See this post for info).
BRU: Excellent on the transfer route, reasonable if not Reasonable Poor (see comments in post #246, also 64 onwards)
CAG: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus Reasonable Reasonable
CDG: Hopeless
CFU: Near impossible, no OLCI, you must present yourself at check-in. Process involves bus, passports, out to landside, short walk to departures building on right, security and bus. Security is bad on peak days.
CGN: No OLCI, but on some dates it is still possible. See this post for details.
CHQ: Near impossible despite being a small airport, no OLCI so you can only get a boarding pass at the airport, and bus to and from gates.
CMB: Easy to do airside. Arriving and departing pax are not segregated. If you have your return boarding pass, just walk directly from arrival gate to departure gate.
CMF: Generally Good, involves going landside. Best avoid Saturdays, the main changeover day, when security is stretched.
CPH: Excellent Good Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall.
CTA: Reasonable, there is a transfer route signed but seems obsolete. However small and efficient airport so still do-able if going via landside.
DBV: Impractical - there's no online check in here, you have to go landside and collect a boarding pass. Otherwise a very small airport.
DUB: Good (if ex-LHR), Reasonable if ex-LCY (quicker plane turnaround) Good if Common Travel Area, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable May require passing security, so Fast Track helps. See this post for a photo guide. (As of June 2017 increased risk due to pax segregation at 200 gates and ongoing building work)
DUS: Excellent Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen Good Arrivals decant into departure gate, though risk of bus to baggage hall.
EDI: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable to Poor Reasonable to Poor Arrivals decant into departure hall normally, risk of bus to baggage hall.
EGC: Impractical. Bergerac has its own check-in system and is currently not on App/OLCI, so boarding passes must be obtained in person, no later than 45 minutes before departure.
FCO: Reasonable (return shuttle to main terminal) Reasonable Reasonable
FDH: Impractical due to delays during ski season - see here.
FLR: Poor due to use of bus transfers and airport layout Poor - no transfer track Reasonable
FNC: Reasonable due to small airport and long turnarounds. You do need to go landside and return to airside. Note high risk of weather related diversions. Bus from aircraft, passports, security, passports, walk to aircraft.
FRA: Reasonable to Poor Poor (particularly if coming off Schengen) Reasonable
FSC: Uncertain - if boarding passes can be issued in advance then it will be an easy landside transfer in a tiny airport. If boarding passes can only be collected in FSC then it's impossible.
FUE: Reasonable if out of the peak season, airbridges used. Have to go via passports landside and security, behind check in. Try Canaries+Families security if desperate.
GIB: Good Good Good Must go landside, bearing right and back up through security. Turnaround can be long. Leave the aircraft early so as to beat the queue at passport arrivals.
GLA: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall normally.
GNB: Good Good Good: Walk to/from aircraft. Must go landside, outside and right back into departures. Long turnaround times make this feasible though Saturdays busy.
GOA: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable
GOT: Excellent Excellent Excellent Borderline foolproof. Arrivals decant into departure hall.
GVA: Excellent Good Good (but can be poor during ski season) Turn left in arrival lane to go back up to departures area.
HAJ: Excellent Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen Good Arrivals decant into departure gate. See posts 1670 and 1671 below.
HAM: Excellent Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall, though sometimes bus to baggage hall.
HEL: Good Good Reasonable Incoming passengers can reverse direction just before Schengen passports. If a bus from gate, you will need to rush.
HER: Infeasible. There is no online or App check in, it's a bus transfer and arrivals / departures are in separate buildings.
INN: Good Good Good - you have to go landside, and there is a bus transfer to/from the aircraft, but the airport is very small and highly efficient.
INV: Good to Excellent Good Good - you have to go landside and through security. See here for more info.
IOM: Good Good Good (no flight connections but small airport)
IST: Good (visa not required) Good Poor (also note you may need to buy a visa as a result of going landside). More details in this post.
JER: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good Good Arrivals decant into departure hall, sometimes you need to double back to the BA lounge.
JMK: Nearly impossible due to clunky arrival processing and use of buses.
JTR: Impossible: bus transfer, slow passports.
KEF: Excellent Excellent if non Schengen, Good otherwise Good BA flights tip arriving passengers into the departure gate. Foolproof. NB LCY flights pax use a bus from a remote stand, still easy as dropped off less than 100M from the departure gate.
KLX: Moderately risky due to boarding passes only being issued at check-in. No buses used normally, walk off plane straight into very small building.
LBA: Good Good Good have to go landside for any connection or b2b but small airport, see here for further details
LCA: Good Good Reasonable There is a "Connecting Flights" channel on the left of the arrivals corridor, half way along, well before passports.
LEI: Moderate to risky: you have to go via landside, and you need the return boarding pass before travel. But it's a small and efficient airport. No buses are used, it's similar to LCY in operation.
LHR T3: Good Good Reasonable Follow connecting flights route, which can be as quick as 11 mins from disembark to through security. No conformance unlike T5.
see here.
LIG: Good to Excellent Good Reasonable See this post for more information
LIS: Good Good Reasonable There is a security check to the right, immediately before and avoiding the passport desks. Risk of bus gates, but still OK.
LIN: Good Good Reasonable to Poor (bus gates)
LPA: Possibly OK if off peak. Some flights are bus gates, but it's a relatively small and efficient airport. OLCI and App check in both work.
LUX: Very Good Good Good Borderline excellent, no known fatalities. Landside route is described here: Airside transfer door described here.
MAD: Very good Good to Reasonable depending on arriving terminal Reasonable See this post for full details.
MAH: Good to excellent, see post number 563.
MAN: Reasonable to Poor Reasonable to Poor Reasonable to Poor
MCT: Excellent - direct transfer route [ ] [ ].
MJV: Good Good Good provided you avoid a peak time More information here.
MLA: Good Good Good This this post and linked blog for details.
MRS: Good Good Good There is a transfer and security point just before going down to passports. Use the phone on the post to ask for it to be opened it for you; however, there is no guarantee that it will and you may have to exit to landside and re-enter through departures security.
MUC: Very good Good but note 2 terminals Good Transfer point after passport, details in this post
MXP: Good - bit of walk to Transfer facility Good Good Thread links here.
NCE: Reasonable Poor Good [There is a direct transfer route by turning into the door way on the right before the slope up to passports]
NCL: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good Good Arrivals decant into departure hall.
NTE: Good Good Good see this post.
NUE: Impractical unfortunately due to no OLCI, all check in done at the airport
OLB: Excellent Excellent Excellent Arriving into Olbia is via jetty to the departure gate, no passports or security. Note no OLCI via the App, more info here.
ORK: Good, do need to clear passports and security but very small and efficient airport.
ORY: No recommended due to fast turnarounds on LCY services. You have to go fully landside and back in again, via 2 passport checks and a security check.
OPO: Excellent [Look for grey escalator going up] Good (reasonable if Schengen) Reasonable
OTP: Excellent as at April 2019. Poor as of 29 Dec 18, see post #2660 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30586858-post2660.html.
Excellent - See post #1919 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29017017-post1919.htmlGood - look for Connection facility on right after leaving aircraft Reasonable Poor (can be Good if all everything works)
OSL: Good on the whole Reasonable Reasonable (See experiences in this post, this post, this post and this post.)
OVD: Not really suitable. This is really an Iberia Express route but leaves T5 under BA code. The aircraft is based in OVD not LHR. Small efficient airport though.
PFO: Good on the whole, but you do need to go landside. However it is a small airport. May not be so good on a busy Saturday during school holidays. Note bus transfers however.
PMO: Airport is currently being rebuilt. Once completed potentially a good option due to airbridge. Departure security is two floors above arrivals (use lift)
PMI: Excellent Excellent Excellent borderline foolproof - you are landed direct into boarding area.
PRG: Excellent ?? ?? For back-to-back the LHR-PRG arrival dumps you right into the main corridor of that pier; walk 100 ft. to security check for the BA boarding lounge and you'll be good to go.
PSA: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable (not the best location since there are a lot of LCC and you have to reclear security from landside). (August 2018 review and comment)
PUY: Unrealistic, due to the bus transfer process followed by passport control.
RAK: Terrible Unknown See post #1353 below
RHO: Infeasible - no OLCI or App check in, bus transfers from gates. Also airport very busy on Saturday PM and Sunday AM.
RTM: Good Good Good (Reasonable during morning/evening peaks)
SEZ: Excellent, use the Transit desk at the right side of the immigration hall, opposite end to passport control, see this post.
SKG: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable but note bus transfers on apron.
SOF: Excellent Excellent Reasonable arrivals decant into departure area.
SPU: Reasonable but there is a bus transfer and then landside Reasonable but transfer routes seems to be from Star Alliance Reasonable
STR: Reasonable - stairs from baggage hall back to security. Can't avoid security/passports Reasonable Reasonable Report here.
SVG: Excellent Excellent Excellent borderline foolproof, though only restricted number of flights
SVQ: Reasonable but need to exit landside and go up through departures, security. and passports is by the gate. Compact airport, fast security even if queuing.
SZG: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable no transfer channel and note bus transfers, but small airport.
TFS: Reasonable but in all cases involves going landside. May be tricky to reclear security in peak holiday season.
TIA: Probably impractical. There is a bus transfer process and passport checks/stamps takes a while (Albania isn't in the EU).
TLL: Very good Good Reasonable see this post.
TLV: At your own risk. There is a transfer route with security on the way to passport control just after the rotunda.
TNG: No transfer or B2B route. Have to pass immigration, customs and security again. Airport is tiny (think 10 flights a day) and B2B is perfectly doable provided no problems at immigration.
TRN: Reasonable to Good Good Reasonable No short cuts to avoid going landside via passports x2 and security, apart from Fast Track security, but a small and efficient airport.
TXL: Good - security takes place in limited area by arriving gate Good Good Security is at gates, if using A gates. NB: Currently, this usually includes LCY flights, which now mostly use A gates like LHR flights.
UIP: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk.
VCE: Very good Good at offpeak times Reasonable See this post for details
VIE: Excellent (BEWARE see: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29579878-post2190.html ) Good Reasonable
VLC: Good Good Reasonable there's no transfer route so you have to go via landside. Departures is straight up from the arrival point. Disagree with the previous two sentences. For me, a direct turnaround from gates 12-14 was possible without going landside. Took less than a minute.
VNO: Excellent Good Reasonable arriving passengers enter departing passenger area. [BA have codeshare and also has TP Run options via AY]
VRN: Good Good Reasonable there's no transfer route so you have to go landside but it's a very small airport and there is Fast Track.
WAW: Good - small connection facility on left after airbridge Good Reasonable
ZAG: Very good Good Reasonable ask to use the International Transfer channel on the left side of the passport hall, you need a boarding pass/App. NOTE: New terminal just opened, so this info needs updating.
ZRH: Generally good but see this post and the replies for more information.
ZTH: Infeasible due to buses and no online check-in possibilities. Somewhat unfortunate given the small airport. No transfer route, you must enter Schengen and go to landside.

Excellent generally means you will leave the aircraft and find yourself in the boarding area for departure. Good suggests that you may have to clear either security and / or passports before reboarding, but it should still be possible.

Two caveats:
A) Sometimes things don't go to plan. E.g. EDI sometimes uses buses, which puts passengers landside and thus needing to reclear security. Ditto HAM.
B) The above needs to be combined with the turnaround time. MXP often has a generous back-to-back time, for example.

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Old May 3, 2018, 5:02 am
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Quick one. I’ve got a B2B in GOT today. Is it pretty much foolproof?
Yes. More information just above in posts 2053 and 2205.
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Back to back at JER

Dear all,

I am considering doing a back-to-back transfer at Jersey, landing at 8:15 and flying back (I assume the same plane) to Gatwick at 9:10. I was wondering if anyone has done this transfer before, and could let me know whether you have to leave and re-enter the airport and if it is possible to do in 55m without hand luggage. Also, I was wondering what would happen if the flight was delayed (as its the same plane) and whether should I miss my flight at 9:10, BA would rebook my entire booking (its an expensive 6-leg trip to the US in Club) or I lose whatever I spent on the ticket?

Thank you for any help.
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
Yes. More information just above in posts 2053 and 2205.
Thanks.

I can confirm that GOT is perfect for B2B. Managed to spend 15 mins in the lounge between legs.
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ALC

Any recent back to back experiences at ALC? BA2632 (arr. 12:05am) and BA2635 (dep. 12:55am)
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Any recent back to back experiences at ALC? BA2632 (arr. 12:05am) and BA2635 (dep. 12:55am)
There is a long term problem with ALC which I don't know whether it has been recently rectified, namely that you can't get boarding passes online, either printed or via the App (whereas Iberia allows both), they have to be collected at the airport, or you need to sweet talk LGW into doing it. There is also the risk of another aircraft blocking up passport control, you have to go landside. It wouldn't be my first choice for a B2B, PMI and BCN (in particular) are much easier.
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There is a long term problem with ALC which I don't know whether it has been recently rectified, namely that you can't get boarding passes online, either printed or via the App (whereas Iberia allows both), they have to be collected at the airport, or you need to sweet talk LGW into doing it. There is also the risk of another aircraft blocking up passport control, you have to go landside. It wouldn't be my first choice for a B2B, PMI and BCN (in particular) are much easier.
Sadly I had to do ALC otherwise I would have gone for one of the easier options.

Regarding getting someone in LGW to print the ALC-LGW boarding pass - is that something they tend not to want to do? I am BA Gold so will have access to the lounge if that makes it any easier to get someone to help?
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Old May 6, 2018, 3:29 am
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Regarding getting someone in LGW to print the ALC-LGW boarding pass - is that something they tend not to want to do? I am BA Gold so will have access to the lounge if that makes it any easier to get someone to help?
No, in fact I would imagine they will be more inclined to help there than at LHR, they are just friendlier over in Sussex in my experience. I would try at the customer service desk in the check-in area first, so that gives you a second go in the lounge if it doesn't work.
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Does BA actually care if you travel via GOT or CPH in order to save a ton of money? Should I try to rehearse a good storyline, just in case they call me out?

I really do have some business dealings in Scandinavia . I'm prepared to claim that I'm making a very short stop in GOT to meet someone face-to-face before continuing on to other destinations.
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Does BA actually care if you travel via GOT or CPH in order to save a ton of money? Should I try to rehearse a good storyline, just in case they call me out?
Calling out for what precisely? I can try to pretend not to understand the question, but honestly, BA isn't the Church of Fallen Souls, whose passengers crave penitence, perpetual indulgence and redemption (Avios excepted). In simple terms you are giving BA considerable dosh to fly you on tickets they freely sold you, fully in alignment with their Conditions of Carriage. BA have to respect European laws on non discrimination, and so long as you don't drop sectors everyone is acting within due process.

That said, as you depart the first flight, you best say something like "goodbye, see you very shortly", with a twinkle in your eye, and then they'll laugh on your return. Most crew are fully familiar with this, and may even appreciate knowing the details, since they too love a bargain.
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That said, as you depart the first flight, you best say something like "goodbye, see you very shortly", with a twinkle in your eye, and then they'll laugh on your return. Most crew are fully familiar with this, and may even appreciate knowing the details, since they too love a bargain.
I do this

Also, on the return you can say something along the lines of "I didn't like the weather" or "I forgot my keys"...
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
That said, as you depart the first flight, you best say something like "goodbye, see you very shortly", with a twinkle in your eye, and then they'll laugh on your return.
I try to be a bit more specific than this: I ask whether they're going straight back to London, and then tell them that I'm coming straight back to London with them. No ambiguity, so that they know to expect me back.

I've sometimes had comments on my return to the aircraft that show that they have been looking out for me to make sure I made it back to the aircraft. I've taken the view that in some circumstances, if the crew are prepared to wait for you for a couple more minutes because they know that you intend to fly back to London with them, it could in theory make the difference between making it back and missing the return flight. On couple of other occasions, it wasn't the same cabin crew flying back but the new crew knew what I was doing, so there had obviously been some sort of (probably rather informal) handover.

And I've never had any crew that disapproved. If any of them were interested, it's always been in a positive way. Once, I was even provided with a little takeaway sustenance for the debilitating journey between LCY and LHR.
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Originally Posted by jxnx123
Dear all,

I am considering doing a back-to-back transfer at Jersey, landing at 8:15 and flying back (I assume the same plane) to Gatwick at 9:10. I was wondering if anyone has done this transfer before, and could let me know whether you have to leave and re-enter the airport and if it is possible to do in 55m without hand luggage. Also, I was wondering what would happen if the flight was delayed (as its the same plane) and whether should I miss my flight at 9:10, BA would rebook my entire booking (its an expensive 6-leg trip to the US in Club) or I lose whatever I spent on the ticket?

Thank you for any help.
Hi, it appears you didn’t get a response to this, so I’ll try and cover off your questions in order:
1) JER is a very easy b2b airport and even if you exited and then came back through security, you’d have time. What I would suggest is you leave the aircraft after the initial few pax and if it’s the normal gate you will enter the terminal building, turn right into a wide corridor and the BA lounge will be on your left, just pop in and show your return boarding pass and you will have time for a drink.
2) The flight numbers for LGW-JER are in order so check the timetable and you will easily note which aircraft is the return of your outbound flight.
3) You don’t make it clear on your last question about how exactly you will miss the outbound flight and BA’s rebooking policy. This appears to be the start of an ex-EU and as such if you miss the first leg (JER-LGW in your case) all susbsquent flights will be cancelled. If your question relates to BA cancelling your flight due to weather or a technical issue, then indeed you can ask BA to start your journey from London and they usually will accommodate, but plan on being at the airport in plenty of time and taking all flights to avoid any issues.

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Old May 13, 2018, 11:33 am
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Did MLA again today - bus into arrivals which wasnt as slick as walking in from 1A (first to passports!) but still very easy
From walking into arrivals to back at the gate took 5 minutes tops - without running
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Old May 13, 2018, 4:53 pm
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
No, in fact I would imagine they will be more inclined to help there than at LHR, they are just friendlier over in Sussex in my experience. I would try at the customer service desk in the check-in area first, so that gives you a second go in the lounge if it doesn't work.
I ended up being able to check in online for my ALC-LGW flight - and it was a good thing I did... it was extremely tight making the Back to back even with the mobile boarding pass. They were calling my
name as I was going through security and i was last to board. I would not do this one again.
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Just did INV. 21 mins back to the departure hall with a long security queue due to EZY and KLM departures. Had about 5 mins before we reboarded
I had a similar experience in INV last Saturday, arriving at 11:00 on the 1468 and leaving at 12:05 on the 1469. We were first off the plane and were very quickly outside and back in to join the loooong queue for security, but it still took over 30 minutes (also due to EZY and KLM departures as well as a less than efficient queue management system), meaning we got to the gate area with just enough time to stick our heads briefly into the teeny tiny Aspire Lounge before boarding started!

(In fairness, boarding then took an age to complete as it was halted after about 6 people to allow a FlyBe plane to get to its gate, so even if we hadn't been first off or the queue for security had been longer, we would almost certainly have been fine)
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