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Order: Back-to-back | Transfer | Landside | Notes
[so Excellent for back to back usually means an easy airside transfer with few risks]
ABZ: Excellent | Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable | Reasonable | Arrivals decant into departure hall.
ACE: Reasonable if off season, there is a transfer channel just before passports | Reasonable | Reasonable
AGP: Excellent for Schengen, Risky if not. Schengen - immediate turnaround possible at gate area. Non-Schengen - There is a transit passageway back to airside on the left after passports, but there can be long delays at passports, achievable if you are willing to politely push in the queue.
see here.
ALC: Reasonable if off season, but you do need to go fully airside if non Schengen. Small and efficient airport. Peak time: see here.
ALG: Impractical due to visa and immigration processes. See post 2224.
AMS: Excellent | Excellent | Poor | Arrivals decant into departure hall normally.
ANE: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk. You may want to telephone the airport to let them know since there's no OLCI facility.
ARN: Excellent | Good | Reasonable (arriving pax should watch for sign to gates 70-82) * see posts 593, 238 & 1298 for more details.
ATH: Reasonable but don't hang about, you need to enter Schengen immigration, then leave Schengen, and a fairly efficient security check. Distances aren't great.
BCN: Good to excellent - bit of a walk - small flight connection facility to the left of passport control, dedicated security but no passports Good if non-Schengen, Reasonable if Schengen Reasonable
BGO: Excellent | Excellent | Excellent, borderline foolproof though only restricted number of flights | Arrivals decant into departure hall.
BHD: Excellent - use stairs upwards between gates 5 and 6, against flow | Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable | Reasonable
BIO: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus | Reasonable | Reasonable
BIQ: Reasonable, involves going through passports to landside, security and passports again, but you need to be off early since passport checks are thorough.
BJV: Not really feasible, there is no online check-in or App facility, you must check in at the gate.
BOD: Reasonable but does involve going landside and back again. However it's a small airport and efficient.
BLL: Good (there is a clear transfer route after passport control to avoid a security check | Good | Good
BLQ: Good (small airport but you have to go landside) | Reasonable | Reasonable (bus gates)
BRI: Good (small airport but you have to go landside) | Reasonable | Reasonable
BSL: Good | Good | Good (Bit of a walk to landside, but it's not a huge airport. See this post for info).
BRU: Excellent on the transfer route, reasonable if not | Reasonable | Poor (see comments in post #246, also 64 onwards)
CAG: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus | Reasonable | Reasonable
CDG: Hopeless
CFU: Near impossible, no OLCI, you must present yourself at check-in. Process involves bus, passports, out to landside, short walk to departures building on right, security and bus. Security is bad on peak days.
CGN: No OLCI, but on some dates it is still possible. See this post for details.
CHQ: Near impossible despite being a small airport, no OLCI so you can only get a boarding pass at the airport, and bus to and from gates.
CMB: Easy to do airside. Arriving and departing pax are not segregated. If you have your return boarding pass, just walk directly from arrival gate to departure gate.
CMF: Generally Good, involves going landside. Best avoid Saturdays, the main changeover day, when security is stretched.
CPH: Excellent | Good | Reasonable | Arrivals decant into departure hall.
CTA: Reasonable, there is a transfer route signed but seems obsolete. However small and efficient airport so still do-able if going via landside.
DBV: Impractical - there's no online check in here, you have to go landside and collect a boarding pass. Otherwise a very small airport.
DUB: Good (if ex-LHR), Reasonable if ex-LCY (quicker plane turnaround) | Good if Common Travel Area, otherwise Reasonable | Reasonable| May require passing security, so Fast Track helps. See this post for a photo guide. (As of June 2017 increased risk due to pax segregation at 200 gates and ongoing building work)
DUS: Excellent | Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen | Good | Arrivals decant into departure gate, though risk of bus to baggage hall.
EDI: Excellent | Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable to Poor | Reasonable to Poor | Arrivals decant into departure hall normally, risk of bus to baggage hall.
EGC: Impractical. Bergerac has its own check-in system and is currently not on App/OLCI, so boarding passes must be obtained in person, no later than 45 minutes before departure.
FCO: Reasonable (return shuttle to main terminal) | Reasonable | Reasonable
FDH: Impractical due to delays during ski season - see here.
FLR: Poor due to use of bus transfers and airport layout | Poor - no transfer track | Reasonable
FNC: Reasonable due to small airport and long turnarounds. You do need to go landside and return to airside. Note high risk of weather related diversions. Bus from aircraft, passports, security, passports, walk to aircraft.
FRA: Reasonable to Poor | Poor (particularly if coming off Schengen) | Reasonable
FSC: Uncertain - if boarding passes can be issued in advance then it will be an easy landside transfer in a tiny airport. If boarding passes can only be collected in FSC then it's impossible.
FUE: Reasonable if out of the peak season, airbridges used. Have to go via passports landside and security, behind check in. Try Canaries+Families security if desperate.
GIB: Good | Good | Good | Must go landside, bearing right and back up through security. Turnaround can be long. Leave the aircraft early so as to beat the queue at passport arrivals.
GLA: Excellent | Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable | Reasonable | Arrivals decant into departure hall normally.
GNB: Good | Good | Good: Walk to/from aircraft. Must go landside, outside and right back into departures. Long turnaround times make this feasible though Saturdays busy.
GOA: Reasonable | Reasonable | Reasonable
GOT: Excellent | Excellent | Excellent | Borderline foolproof. Arrivals decant into departure hall.
GVA: Excellent | Good | Good (but can be poor during ski season) | Turn left in arrival lane to go back up to departures area.
HAJ: Excellent | Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen | Good | Arrivals decant into departure gate. See posts 1670 and 1671 below.
HAM: Excellent | Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen | Reasonable | Arrivals decant into departure hall, though sometimes bus to baggage hall.
HEL: Good | Good | Reasonable | Incoming passengers can reverse direction just before Schengen passports. If a bus from gate, you will need to rush.
HER: Infeasible. There is no online or App check in, it's a bus transfer and arrivals / departures are in separate buildings.
INN: Good | Good | Good - you have to go landside, and there is a bus transfer to/from the aircraft, but the airport is very small and highly efficient.
INV: Good to Excellent | Good | Good - you have to go landside and through security. See here for more info.
IOM: Good | Good | Good (no flight connections but small airport)
IST: Good (visa not required) | Good | Poor (also note you may need to buy a visa as a result of going landside). More details in this post.
JER: Excellent | Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good | Good | Arrivals decant into departure hall, sometimes you need to double back to the BA lounge.
JMK: Nearly impossible due to clunky arrival processing and use of buses.
JTR: Impossible: bus transfer, slow passports.
KEF: Excellent | Excellent if non Schengen, Good otherwise | Good | BA flights tip arriving passengers into the departure gate. Foolproof. NB LCY flights pax use a bus from a remote stand, still easy as dropped off less than 100M from the departure gate.
KLX: Moderately risky due to boarding passes only being issued at check-in. No buses used normally, walk off plane straight into very small building.
LBA: Good | Good | Good | have to go landside for any connection or b2b but small airport, see here for further details
LCA: Good | Good | Reasonable | There is a "Connecting Flights" channel on the left of the arrivals corridor, half way along, well before passports.
LEI: Moderate to risky: you have to go via landside, and you need the return boarding pass before travel. But it's a small and efficient airport. No buses are used, it's similar to LCY in operation.
LHR T3: Good | Good | Reasonable | Follow connecting flights route, which can be as quick as 11 mins from disembark to through security. No conformance unlike T5.
see here.
LIG: Good to Excellent | Good | Reasonable | See this post for more information
LIS: Good | Good | Reasonable | There is a security check to the right, immediately before and avoiding the passport desks. Risk of bus gates, but still OK.
LIN: Good | Good | Reasonable to Poor (bus gates)
LPA: Possibly OK if off peak. Some flights are bus gates, but it's a relatively small and efficient airport. OLCI and App check in both work.
LUX: Very Good | Good | Good | Borderline excellent, no known fatalities. Landside route is described here: Airside transfer door described here.
MAD: Very good | Good to Reasonable depending on arriving terminal | Reasonable | See this post for full details.
MAH: Good to excellent, see post number 563.
MAN: Reasonable to Poor | Reasonable to Poor | Reasonable to Poor
MCT: Excellent - direct transfer route [ ] [ ].
MJV: Good | Good | Good provided you avoid a peak time | More information here.
MLA: Good | Good | Good | This this post and linked blog for details.
MRS: Good | Good | Good | There is a transfer and security point just before going down to passports. Use the phone on the post to ask for it to be opened it for you; however, there is no guarantee that it will and you may have to exit to landside and re-enter through departures security.
MUC: Very good | Good but note 2 terminals | Good | Transfer point after passport, details in this post
MXP: Good - bit of walk to Transfer facility | Good | Good | Thread links here.
NCE: Reasonable | Poor | Good | [There is a direct transfer route by turning into the door way on the right before the slope up to passports]
NCL: Excellent | Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good | Good | Arrivals decant into departure hall.
NTE: Good | Good | Good | see this post.
NUE: Impractical unfortunately due to no OLCI, all check in done at the airport
OLB: Excellent | Excellent | Excellent | Arriving into Olbia is via jetty to the departure gate, no passports or security. Note no OLCI via the App, more info here.
ORK: Good, do need to clear passports and security but very small and efficient airport.
ORY: No recommended due to fast turnarounds on LCY services. You have to go fully landside and back in again, via 2 passport checks and a security check.
OPO: Excellent [Look for grey escalator going up] | Good (reasonable if Schengen) | Reasonable
OTP: Poor as of 29 Dec 18, see post #2660 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30586858-post2660.html
Excellent - See post #1919 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29017017-post1919.htmlGood - look for Connection facility on right after leaving aircraft Reasonable Poor (can be Good if all everything works)
OSL: Good on the whole | Reasonable | Reasonable | (See experiences in this post, this post, this post and this post.)
OVD: Not really suitable. This is really an Iberia Express route but leaves T5 under BA code. The aircraft is based in OVD not LHR. Small efficient airport though.
PFO: Good on the whole, but you do need to go landside. However it is a small airport. May not be so good on a busy Saturday during school holidays. Note bus transfers however.
PMO: Airport is currently being rebuilt. Once completed potentially a good option due to airbridge. Departure security is two floors above arrivals (use lift)
PMI: Excellent | Excellent | Excellent | borderline foolproof - you are landed direct into boarding area.
PRG: Excellent | ?? | ?? | For back-to-back the LHR-PRG arrival dumps you right into the main corridor of that pier; walk 100 ft. to security check for the BA boarding lounge and you'll be good to go.
PSA: Reasonable | Reasonable | Reasonable (not the best location since there are a lot of LCC and you have to reclear security from landside). (August 2018 review and comment)
PUY: Unrealistic, due to the bus transfer process followed by passport control.
RAK: Terrible Unknown See post #1353 below
RHO: Infeasible - no OLCI or App check in, bus transfers from gates. Also airport very busy on Saturday PM and Sunday AM.
RTM: Good | Good | Good | (Reasonable during morning/evening peaks)
SEZ: Excellent, use the Transit desk at the right side of the immigration hall, opposite end to passport control, see this post.
SKG: Reasonable | Reasonable | Reasonable | but note bus transfers on apron.
SOF: Excellent | Excellent | Reasonable | arrivals decant into departure area.
SPU: Reasonable but there is a bus transfer and then landside | Reasonable but transfer routes seems to be from Star Alliance | Reasonable
STR: Reasonable - stairs from baggage hall back to security. Can't avoid security/passports | Reasonable | Reasonable | Report here.
SVG: Excellent | Excellent | Excellent | borderline foolproof, though only restricted number of flights
SVQ: Reasonable but need to exit landside and go up through departures, security. and passports is by the gate. Compact airport, fast security even if queuing.
SZG: Reasonable | Reasonable | Reasonable | no transfer channel and note bus transfers, but small airport.
TFS: Reasonable but in all cases involves going landside. May be tricky to reclear security in peak holiday season.
TIA: Probably impractical. There is a bus transfer process and passport checks/stamps takes a while (Albania isn't in the EU).
TLL: Very good | Good | Reasonable | see this post.
TLV: At your own risk. There is a transfer route with security on the way to passport control just after the rotunda.
TNG: No transfer or B2B route. Have to pass immigration, customs and security again. Airport is tiny (think 10 flights a day) and B2B is perfectly doable provided no problems at immigration.
TRN: Reasonable to Good | Good | Reasonable | No short cuts to avoid going landside via passports x2 and security, apart from Fast Track security, but a small and efficient airport.
TXL: Good - security takes place in limited area by arriving gate | Good | Good | Security is at gates, if using A gates. NB: Currently, this usually includes LCY flights, which now mostly use A gates like LHR flights.
UIP: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk.
VCE: Very good | Good at offpeak times | Reasonable | See this post for details
VIE: Excellent (BEWARE see: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29579878-post2190.html ) | Good | Reasonable
VLC: Good | Good | Reasonable | there's no transfer route so you have to go via landside. Departures is straight up from the arrival point. Disagree with the previous two sentences. For me, a direct turnaround from gates 12-14 was possible without going landside. Took less than a minute.
VNO: Excellent | Good | Reasonable | arriving passengers enter departing passenger area. [BA have codeshare and also has TP Run options via AY]
VRN: Good | Good | Reasonable | there's no transfer route so you have to go landside but it's a very small airport and there is Fast Track.
WAW: Good - small connection facility on left after airbridge | Good | Reasonable
ZAG: Very good | Good | Reasonable | ask to use the International Transfer channel on the left side of the passport hall, you need a boarding pass/App. NOTE: New terminal just opened, so this info needs updating.
ZRH: Generally good but see this post and the replies for more information.
ZTH: Infeasible due to buses and no online check-in possibilities. Somewhat unfortunate given the small airport. No transfer route, you must enter Schengen and go to landside.

Excellent generally means you will leave the aircraft and find yourself in the boarding area for departure. Good suggests that you may have to clear either security and / or passports before reboarding, but it should still be possible.

Two caveats:
A) Sometimes things don't go to plan. E.g. EDI sometimes uses buses, which puts passengers landside and thus needing to reclear security. Ditto HAM.
B) The above needs to be combined with the turnaround time. MXP often has a generous back-to-back time, for example.

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Old Jan 13, 19, 9:00 am
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Well done @cgtechuk for a successful b2b @ MAN - you nutter
Haha not to mention the go around just to keep things interesting 😂
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Old Jan 13, 19, 9:05 am
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Originally Posted by docmcdreamy View Post
As a Brit, would you recommend a domestic B2B flight after 30 March/Brexit?
I just need 2 more BA flights to be Silver so want a fuss free, quick and cheap journey. Was thinking LON-AMS but not sure what is happening post Brexit. Maybe LON-EDIN/INV/NCL?? Any recommendations??
Also I cannot book return tickets coz of the MTA rules, so do people book tickets separately?
You may want to read some of the comments upthread, but one key feature of B2Bs is the possibility or even probability of doing this on separate tickets in order to leverage lower fares. But if it is about Eligible Flights then some B2B can be done as one ticket, if the airport has a short MCT, but you do need to call up to book, due to limitations in BA.com's functionality here. So for example NCL has an MCT of 30 minutes and all BA's turnarounds take more than that. GLA is the next easiest, then EDI and ABZ, all are straightforward. INV is actually slightly trickier than most, it only features so much in this thread due to the impact of APD on longer flights. So if it was for Eligible Flights it wouldn't be my first choice.

As for Brexit, we may know more in the next few days, but personally I think AMS and CPH would, er, remain good places for a turnaround, I can't see either airport swapping infrastructure around immediately, nor is there is an immediately clear need for it to happen at least for the rest of 2019.
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Thanks c-w-s, I am eyeing and ex-EU (likely ARN) - DOH - SIN return trip - so will get 560 points. But that means only 2 eligible flights. Any ideas how to add extra stops to include 4 eligible flights?
I looked at LON - HEL - ARN but connections are quite poor (and prices are very expensive too) so have thought of doing the eligible flights at the very end on a different day.
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Old Jan 13, 19, 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by docmcdreamy View Post
Thanks c-w-s, I am eyeing and ex-EU (likely ARN) - DOH - SIN return trip - so will get 560 points. But that means only 2 eligible flights. Any ideas how to add extra stops to include 4 eligible flights?
I looked at LON - HEL - ARN but connections are quite poor (and prices are very expensive too) so have thought of doing the eligible flights at the very end on a different day.
From LGW you can get some very low fares to GLA and EDI, so if this is cost driven you may as well do it separately and find some midweek pairing that allows you to get the other 2 flights. The other option is the weekend awayday fares to places like DUB and LIS, for which there is a special thread. You can find those via BA.com / Find Our Cheapest Fares and selecting day trip.

Something like LON-HEL-ARN will be expensive to get as a BA codeshare on HEL-ARN. The other option is using Iberia or Loganair codeshares since they aren't necessarily expensive, I have a NCL-LHR-MAD-SDR (Santander) later this month which came in at £134 for 3 eligible flights and I wasn't even trying to get a cheap fare.
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I just did a B2B at Dublin - they have changed it since I was last there and it takes a bit longer. I was still back at the gate just as they started boarding having gone out and through security again. Doable but you do need to hustle - this was coming into gate 204.

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I'm planning to take advantage of a QR fare via SOF and I'm trying to work out the positioning. On the way back assuming no IRROPS, I can take a BA flight a few hours after the QR flight lands. Obviously not much window for error, but so it goes.

They (being QR and BA) seem to share the same terminal - is it as simple as walking off into the departures and just waiting for the BA flight (assuming I can get the BA boarding pass through OLCI/app)? I'll be travelling HBO.
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I've stupidly just selected 1 bag (instead of "Not Sure") during OLCI out of habit, and will in fact be doing a HBO B2B at JER tomorrow. Is there likely to be any issue at the gate at JER, or AA's bag drop at T3 the following day?
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I've stupidly just selected 1 bag (instead of "Not Sure") during OLCI out of habit, and will in fact be doing a HBO B2B at JER tomorrow. Is there likely to be any issue at the gate at JER, or AA's bag drop at T3 the following day?
Yes, it will cause problems. Go to check-in or the lounge and get it cleared before arriving at the gate. AA won't see this flag, it's for FLY only.
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They (being QR and BA) seem to share the same terminal - is it as simple as walking off into the departures and just waiting for the BA flight (assuming I can get the BA boarding pass through OLCI/app)? I'll be travelling HBO.
I did this at Sofia last year - see post
BA -> QR Yes - gate C1 decants into departures
QR -> BA No, you need to go through immigration (i.e. go out and come back in again), but a couple of hours is fine
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Yes, it will cause problems. Go to check-in or the lounge and get it cleared before arriving at the gate. AA won't see this flag, it's for FLY only.
Thanks for the quick reply CWS, I'll head to the lounge at JER and try to get it sorted. I assume it's not serious enough that I need to call BA and have myself offloaded?
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Thanks for the quick reply CWS, I'll head to the lounge at JER and try to get it sorted. I assume it's not serious enough that I need to call BA and have myself offloaded?
No, it's not worth doing that. An extra few minutes should resolve it, but you may make yourself unpopular if (like me) you're the last one out of the JER lounge just before they close up.
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Yes, it will cause problems. Go to check-in or the lounge and get it cleared before arriving at the gate. AA won't see this flag, it's for FLY only.
If within your allowance, is there ever a benefit to specifying a number of bags during OLCI? (Iím just curious, as it seems like it can cause problems, but I never hear the cases in which it is beneficial. I assume there must be some, and Iím curious if itís just limited to cases where a charge is due.)
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If within your allowance, is there ever a benefit to specifying a number of bags during OLCI? (Iím just curious, as it seems like it can cause problems, but I never hear the cases in which it is beneficial. I assume there must be some, and Iím curious if itís just limited to cases where a charge is due.)
I think the problem is that two things are being done here and this can result in them running at cross purposes. One reason for the question is to generate the payment screen for those on Basic fares or over their allowance. The second feature is to generate an internal FLY record for the bags, so that they are cross referenced to the booking. If you are going to have a default it is best to select Don't Know if you definitely don't need to pay for something, or even zero bags - since the latter can be readily updated should you check bags in. On the other hand if you select the bags option and end up HBO and only show up at the gate, then the FLY record needs to be cleared out rather than left pending. It can't take more than a few seconds but every gate agent prefers a smooth boarding process.
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Originally Posted by teledude View Post
Well done @cgtechuk for a successful b2b @ MAN - you nutter
So Manchester.

I was worried this was going to go horribly wrong especially with it being the first leg of a long haul trip.

Thanks to the help of @madfish @KARFA @teledude I can confirm it went fine with a few caveats,

If you land at gate 141 you have no choice but do go landside and get back through security which depending on time of day could go horribly wrong! There have been reports of people waiting till everyone else off and getting staff to let them back to the gate area. This is very risky as if they say no you are stuffed and you have lost the chance to go landside and go back through personally I would just risk legging it through security landside,

If you land at gate 142 this is the sweet spot as you come off the plane follow signs for flight transfers and you literally end up at the end of the boarding queue, 2 mins max

If you land at gate 143 + the process is the same as above but you have to go through the flight transfers channel and get your biometrics taken at the transfer counter (depends how busy it is and shouldnt take too much longer than 142 would)

Security when I arrived was quite quiet but they are a nightmare in fast track for putting everything in separate trays pretty sure I had 4 on the go at one point and it is full of once a year travellers as there is no dedicated fast track just merges with the front of the normal security line.

In summary, If this was the last leg or 2 of a trip I would do it again but if it was the start of a big trip then I wouldn't do it as the risk is too high of ending up at gate 141 and being forced landside.

Hope that helps!
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Thanks for the feedback.

I agree about the risk with this at MAN. And the go around today probably added to your stress levels as the engines throttled up.
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