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Order: Back-to-back Transfer Landside Notes
[so Excellent for back to back usually means an easy airside transfer with few risks]
ABZ: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall.
ACE: Reasonable if off season, there is a transfer channel just before passports Reasonable Reasonable
AGP: Excellent for Schengen, Risky if not. Schengen - immediate turnaround possible at gate area. Non-Schengen - There is a transit passageway back to airside on the left after passports, but there can be long delays at passports, achievable if you are willing to politely push in the queue.
see here.
ALC: Reasonable if off season, but you do need to go fully airside if non Schengen. Small and efficient airport. Peak time: see here.
ALG: Impractical due to visa and immigration processes. See post 2224.
AMS: Excellent Excellent Poor Arrivals decant into departure hall normally.
ANE: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk. You may want to telephone the airport to let them know since there's no OLCI facility.
ARN: Excellent Good Reasonable (arriving pax should watch for sign to gates 70-82) * see posts 593, 238 & 1298 for more details.
ATH: Reasonable but don't hang about, you need to enter Schengen immigration, then leave Schengen, and a fairly efficient security check. Distances aren't great.
BCN: Good to excellent - bit of a walk - small flight connection facility to the left of passport control, dedicated security but no passports Good if non-Schengen, Reasonable if Schengen Reasonable
BGO: Excellent Excellent Excellent, borderline foolproof though only restricted number of flights Arrivals decant into departure hall.
BHD: Excellent - use stairs upwards between gates 5 and 6, against flow Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable
BIO: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus Reasonable Reasonable
BIQ: Reasonable, involves going through passports to landside, security and passports again, but you need to be off early since passport checks are thorough.
BJV: Not really feasible, there is no online check-in or App facility, you must check in at the gate.
BOD: Reasonable but does involve going landside and back again. However it's a small airport and efficient.
BLL: Good (there is a clear transfer route after passport control to avoid a security check Good Good
BLQ: Good (small airport but you have to go landside) Reasonable Reasonable (bus gates)
BRI: Good (small airport but you have to go landside) Reasonable Reasonable
BSL: Good Good Good (Bit of a walk to landside, but it's not a huge airport. See this post for info).
BRU: Excellent on the transfer route, reasonable if not Reasonable Poor (see comments in post #246, also 64 onwards)
CAG: Reasonable, does involve going landside but small airport, airbridge rather than bus Reasonable Reasonable
CDG: Hopeless
CFU: Near impossible, no OLCI, you must present yourself at check-in. Process involves bus, passports, out to landside, short walk to departures building on right, security and bus. Security is bad on peak days.
CGN: No OLCI, but on some dates it is still possible. See this post for details.
CHQ: Near impossible despite being a small airport, no OLCI so you can only get a boarding pass at the airport, and bus to and from gates.
CMB: Easy to do airside. Arriving and departing pax are not segregated. If you have your return boarding pass, just walk directly from arrival gate to departure gate.
CMF: Generally Good, involves going landside. Best avoid Saturdays, the main changeover day, when security is stretched.
CPH: Excellent Good Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall.
CTA: Reasonable, there is a transfer route signed but seems obsolete. However small and efficient airport so still do-able if going via landside.
DBV: Impractical - there's no online check in here, you have to go landside and collect a boarding pass. Otherwise a very small airport.
DUB: Good (if ex-LHR), Reasonable if ex-LCY (quicker plane turnaround) Good if Common Travel Area, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable May require passing security, so Fast Track helps. See this post for a photo guide. (As of June 2017 increased risk due to pax segregation at 200 gates and ongoing building work)
DUS: Excellent Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen Good Arrivals decant into departure gate, though risk of bus to baggage hall.
EDI: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable to Poor Reasonable to Poor Arrivals decant into departure hall normally, risk of bus to baggage hall.
EGC: Impractical. Bergerac has its own check-in system and is currently not on App/OLCI, so boarding passes must be obtained in person, no later than 45 minutes before departure.
FCO: Reasonable (return shuttle to main terminal) Reasonable Reasonable
FDH: Impractical due to delays during ski season - see here.
FLR: Poor due to use of bus transfers and airport layout Poor - no transfer track Reasonable
FNC: Reasonable due to small airport and long turnarounds. You do need to go landside and return to airside. Note high risk of weather related diversions. Bus from aircraft, passports, security, passports, walk to aircraft.
FRA: Reasonable to Poor Poor (particularly if coming off Schengen) Reasonable
FSC: Uncertain - if boarding passes can be issued in advance then it will be an easy landside transfer in a tiny airport. If boarding passes can only be collected in FSC then it's impossible.
FUE: Reasonable if out of the peak season, airbridges used. Have to go via passports landside and security, behind check in. Try Canaries+Families security if desperate.
GIB: Good Good Good Must go landside, bearing right and back up through security. Turnaround can be long. Leave the aircraft early so as to beat the queue at passport arrivals.
GLA: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Reasonable Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall normally.
GNB: Good Good Good: Walk to/from aircraft. Must go landside, outside and right back into departures. Long turnaround times make this feasible though Saturdays busy.
GOA: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable
GOT: Excellent Excellent Excellent Borderline foolproof. Arrivals decant into departure hall.
GVA: Excellent Good Good (but can be poor during ski season) Turn left in arrival lane to go back up to departures area.
HAJ: Excellent Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen Good Arrivals decant into departure gate. See posts 1670 and 1671 below.
HAM: Excellent Excellent if non-Schengen, Good if Schengen Reasonable Arrivals decant into departure hall, though sometimes bus to baggage hall.
HEL: Good Good Reasonable Incoming passengers can reverse direction just before Schengen passports. If a bus from gate, you will need to rush.
HER: Infeasible. There is no online or App check in, it's a bus transfer and arrivals / departures are in separate buildings.
INN: Good Good Good - you have to go landside, and there is a bus transfer to/from the aircraft, but the airport is very small and highly efficient.
INV: Good to Excellent Good Good - you have to go landside and through security. See here for more info.
IOM: Good Good Good (no flight connections but small airport)
IST: Good (visa not required) Good Poor (also note you may need to buy a visa as a result of going landside). More details in this post.
JER: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good Good Arrivals decant into departure hall, sometimes you need to double back to the BA lounge.
JMK: Nearly impossible due to clunky arrival processing and use of buses.
JTR: Impossible: bus transfer, slow passports.
KEF: Excellent Excellent if non Schengen, Good otherwise Good BA flights tip arriving passengers into the departure gate. Foolproof. NB LCY flights pax use a bus from a remote stand, still easy as dropped off less than 100M from the departure gate.
KLX: Moderately risky due to boarding passes only being issued at check-in. No buses used normally, walk off plane straight into very small building.
LBA: Good Good Good have to go landside for any connection or b2b but small airport, see here for further details
LCA: Good Good Reasonable There is a "Connecting Flights" channel on the left of the arrivals corridor, half way along, well before passports.
LEI: Moderate to risky: you have to go via landside, and you need the return boarding pass before travel. But it's a small and efficient airport. No buses are used, it's similar to LCY in operation.
LHR T3: Good Good Reasonable Follow connecting flights route, which can be as quick as 11 mins from disembark to through security. No conformance unlike T5.
see here.
LIG: Good to Excellent Good Reasonable See this post for more information
LIS: Good Good Reasonable There is a security check to the right, immediately before and avoiding the passport desks. Risk of bus gates, but still OK.
LIN: Good Good Reasonable to Poor (bus gates)
LPA: Possibly OK if off peak. Some flights are bus gates, but it's a relatively small and efficient airport. OLCI and App check in both work.
LUX: Very Good Good Good Borderline excellent, no known fatalities. Landside route is described here: Airside transfer door described here.
MAD: Very good Good to Reasonable depending on arriving terminal Reasonable See this post for full details.
MAH: Good to excellent, see post number 563.
MAN: Reasonable to Poor Reasonable to Poor Reasonable to Poor
MCT: Excellent - direct transfer route [ ] [ ].
MJV: Good Good Good provided you avoid a peak time More information here.
MLA: Good Good Good This this post and linked blog for details.
MRS: Good Good Good There is a transfer and security point just before going down to passports. Use the phone on the post to ask for it to be opened it for you; however, there is no guarantee that it will and you may have to exit to landside and re-enter through departures security.
MUC: Very good Good but note 2 terminals Good Transfer point after passport, details in this post
MXP: Good - bit of walk to Transfer facility Good Good Thread links here.
NCE: Reasonable Poor Good [There is a direct transfer route by turning into the door way on the right before the slope up to passports]
NCL: Excellent Excellent if domestic, otherwise Good Good Arrivals decant into departure hall.
NTE: Good Good Good see this post.
NUE: Impractical unfortunately due to no OLCI, all check in done at the airport
OLB: Excellent Excellent Excellent Arriving into Olbia is via jetty to the departure gate, no passports or security. Note no OLCI via the App, more info here.
ORK: Good, do need to clear passports and security but very small and efficient airport.
ORY: No recommended due to fast turnarounds on LCY services. You have to go fully landside and back in again, via 2 passport checks and a security check.
OPO: Excellent [Look for grey escalator going up] Good (reasonable if Schengen) Reasonable
OTP: Excellent as at April 2019. Poor as of 29 Dec 18, see post #2660 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30586858-post2660.html.
Excellent - See post #1919 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29017017-post1919.htmlGood - look for Connection facility on right after leaving aircraft Reasonable Poor (can be Good if all everything works)
OSL: Good on the whole Reasonable Reasonable (See experiences in this post, this post, this post and this post.)
OVD: Not really suitable. This is really an Iberia Express route but leaves T5 under BA code. The aircraft is based in OVD not LHR. Small efficient airport though.
PFO: Good on the whole, but you do need to go landside. However it is a small airport. May not be so good on a busy Saturday during school holidays. Note bus transfers however.
PMO: Airport is currently being rebuilt. Once completed potentially a good option due to airbridge. Departure security is two floors above arrivals (use lift)
PMI: Excellent Excellent Excellent borderline foolproof - you are landed direct into boarding area.
PRG: Excellent ?? ?? For back-to-back the LHR-PRG arrival dumps you right into the main corridor of that pier; walk 100 ft. to security check for the BA boarding lounge and you'll be good to go.
PSA: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable (not the best location since there are a lot of LCC and you have to reclear security from landside). (August 2018 review and comment)
PUY: Unrealistic, due to the bus transfer process followed by passport control.
RAK: Terrible Unknown See post #1353 below
RHO: Infeasible - no OLCI or App check in, bus transfers from gates. Also airport very busy on Saturday PM and Sunday AM.
RTM: Good Good Good (Reasonable during morning/evening peaks)
SEZ: Excellent, use the Transit desk at the right side of the immigration hall, opposite end to passport control, see this post.
SKG: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable but note bus transfers on apron.
SOF: Excellent Excellent Reasonable arrivals decant into departure area.
SPU: Reasonable but there is a bus transfer and then landside Reasonable but transfer routes seems to be from Star Alliance Reasonable
STR: Reasonable - stairs from baggage hall back to security. Can't avoid security/passports Reasonable Reasonable Report here.
SVG: Excellent Excellent Excellent borderline foolproof, though only restricted number of flights
SVQ: Reasonable but need to exit landside and go up through departures, security. and passports is by the gate. Compact airport, fast security even if queuing.
SZG: Reasonable Reasonable Reasonable no transfer channel and note bus transfers, but small airport.
TFS: Reasonable but in all cases involves going landside. May be tricky to reclear security in peak holiday season.
TIA: Probably impractical. There is a bus transfer process and passport checks/stamps takes a while (Albania isn't in the EU).
TLL: Very good Good Reasonable see this post.
TLV: At your own risk. There is a transfer route with security on the way to passport control just after the rotunda.
TNG: No transfer or B2B route. Have to pass immigration, customs and security again. Airport is tiny (think 10 flights a day) and B2B is perfectly doable provided no problems at immigration.
TRN: Reasonable to Good Good Reasonable No short cuts to avoid going landside via passports x2 and security, apart from Fast Track security, but a small and efficient airport.
TXL: Good - security takes place in limited area by arriving gate Good Good Security is at gates, if using A gates. NB: Currently, this usually includes LCY flights, which now mostly use A gates like LHR flights.
UIP: Good - very small airport, tarmac walk.
VCE: Very good Good at offpeak times Reasonable See this post for details
VIE: Excellent (BEWARE see: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29579878-post2190.html ) Good Reasonable
VLC: Good Good Reasonable there's no transfer route so you have to go via landside. Departures is straight up from the arrival point. Disagree with the previous two sentences. For me, a direct turnaround from gates 12-14 was possible without going landside. Took less than a minute.
VNO: Excellent Good Reasonable arriving passengers enter departing passenger area. [BA have codeshare and also has TP Run options via AY]
VRN: Good Good Reasonable there's no transfer route so you have to go landside but it's a very small airport and there is Fast Track.
WAW: Good - small connection facility on left after airbridge Good Reasonable
ZAG: Very good Good Reasonable ask to use the International Transfer channel on the left side of the passport hall, you need a boarding pass/App. NOTE: New terminal just opened, so this info needs updating.
ZRH: Generally good but see this post and the replies for more information.
ZTH: Infeasible due to buses and no online check-in possibilities. Somewhat unfortunate given the small airport. No transfer route, you must enter Schengen and go to landside.

Excellent generally means you will leave the aircraft and find yourself in the boarding area for departure. Good suggests that you may have to clear either security and / or passports before reboarding, but it should still be possible.

Two caveats:
A) Sometimes things don't go to plan. E.g. EDI sometimes uses buses, which puts passengers landside and thus needing to reclear security. Ditto HAM.
B) The above needs to be combined with the turnaround time. MXP often has a generous back-to-back time, for example.

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Old Mar 4, 18, 5:05 am
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Originally Posted by Ziz View Post
Have people done DUB lately? I'm considering a B2B but wary of the new (to me) arrangements.
youll definitely have to go landside now. The immigration area can be busy (unlike the old one near the 300 gates) but there are e-passport gates so you should be through fairly quickly. Once landside up one floor and then fast track security which separate and to the right of normal security. Its a fairly long walk back to the 200 gates. Its doable but you should get off quick and move quickly.
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Originally Posted by Beaulieu View Post
I did mention it but don't know if it is permanently closed. It's certainly closed/was a building site when I went through in December. The other transfers channel was completely empty so wasn't an issue.

Edit: should add I was on a 125 ticket on that occasion.
I ended up not doing it as a back-to-back and instead spent most of the day in the lounge in OSL. As it happens OLCI for the complex itinerary involving both BA and AA flights worked fine and I would easily have made it if I'd done the back-to-back. It's not a building site any more but although there were various doors on the left as I came along the corridor towards passport control I didn't see any way of summoning anyone to open them. However, when I got to passport control there was a separate (and completely empty) lane for non-Schengen transfer passengers. There was no queue at security or at passport control to get back into the non-Schengen area, so I reckon if I'd been doing the back-to-back I'd have been back at the gate within ten minutes tops of getting off the plane. I have another trip in a few weeks and may use the last leg of my current trip as a positioning flight for it, in which case I think I will book the back-to-back.
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Originally Posted by TGLoyalty View Post
Considering a B2B in BOD next Sunday, already have a flight out Friday and back Sunday booked so looking to nest between so I just spend the day on Friday and B2B on Sunday but looks like a 40 min turnaround.

Posts from a year or so ago it say you need to go landslide and back and I'll only have essentials with me to get me through the flight. Anyone have any recent experiance?
Yes it's doable, but involves going landside and back in, and you need the return boarding pass before departure, or you will be stuck. The LGW staff should sort that out if you have online troubles there. It's not a huge distance to cover but you do need to go up to departures and through security in the usual way. So long as you are early off the aircraft and proceed briskly then I don't anticipate any problems.
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave View Post
Yes it's doable, but involves going landside and back in, and you need the return boarding pass before departure, or you will be stuck. The LGW staff should sort that out if you have online troubles there. It's not a huge distance to cover but you do need to go up to departures and through security in the usual way. So long as you are early off the aircraft and proceed briskly then I don't anticipate any problems.
Thanks. Probably an advantage to be there on a non-b2b a couple days earlier so should know the route etc

Looking at the weather its not the sort of weekend I'm looking for so will spend the hotel money on getting 80 points closer to gold.
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May I please ask about LCY flights to EDI and GLA?

From what I can see from the BA Source trackers (the information on which is rather incomplete), it looks like LCY-GLA flights are guaranteed a same-aircraft return GLA-LCY at the logical time (eg LCY-GLA arrives 1525, GLA-LCY departs 1600).

In contrast, the corresponding pattern for LCY-EDI and EDI-LCY flights suggests that they are usually but not always operated by the same aircraft.

Does anyone know (a) whether this is accurate; and (b) whether it reflects some underlying structural feature of CityFlyer operations? My suspicion on the latter is that EDI is a CityFlyer base, so aircraft can swap there, but GLA isn't and therefore has the same feature as (eg) AMS, where you are similarly guaranteed a same-aircraft return.

The reason is that I'm trying to see whether or not it's feasible to do a quick TP run back-to-back from LCY, on which I'd need to earn on both flights but the turnaround time at AMS, EDI and GLA are all too short to allow both halves of the trip to be booked on a single ticket - and hence I need the alternative protection of a guaranteed same-aircraft turnaround. (If it's possible, the advantage is that it's then possible to do one of these at the end of any working day. A conventional day trip or a back-to-back from LHR or LGW both require finding a weekend day.)
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Yes, BACF do sometimes swap their EDI services and crews around, particularly over the weekend, whereas the risk of that is low in GLA. Some EDI services, won't be touched, early or late on, however.

Personally I would look at LGW - GLA or EDI, which is also likely to be more cost effective too.
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Can someone please reassure me on a OSL B2B.... I have ended up with one without wanting one. Thought I genuinely needed to be in Oslo after a long haul but now don't. Would like the TP's and don't really want a night in Oslo.

Will be in 1D on in the inbound. I presume just pass through passports as normal, then down the long thin corridor? Door should be on the left for transfers. It has never been manned when I have arrived in Oslo though? What do you do in this situation? Land side and back in? After transfer then you go downstairs to main concourse and walk along to non-schengen passports?

Thanks and sure this has been answered so apologies.
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Thanks and sure this has been answered so apologies.
There are indeed 135 posts in this thread about OSL, so I think it's been analysed to death to be honest. However as a starting point you may want to go to the Wiki and have a look at the two links there, and then may be check the last 6 or so OSL posts in this thread.
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Yes, BACF do sometimes swap their EDI services and crews around, particularly over the weekend, whereas the risk of that is low in GLA. Some EDI services, won't be touched, early or late on, however.

Personally I would look at LGW - GLA or EDI, which is also likely to be more cost effective too.
Thanks, c-w-s.

We're trying to avoid both LGW and LHR for a back-to-back because of the need to do that on a weekend day. LCY can be done at the end of any working day, so it's much easier!
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Hi, hopefully I am posting in the right place, if not perhaps a moderator could assist and move it to a more appropriate place.

I do not see BOM in the wiki above have not been able to find the answer in the guide but that may be down to poor search technique, so apologies if I have missed the answer elsewhere.

Is anyone aware if BA 139 (LHR - BOM) then becomes BA 138 ( BOM - LHR), and if so, is it feasible to do a back to back with a 2 hour turn around?

Thank you in advance.
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Is anyone aware if BA 139 (LHR - BOM) then becomes BA 138 ( BOM - LHR), and if so, is it feasible to do a back to back with a 2 hour turn around?
I can help with the first part of your question: the answer is yes. If nothing else, look at the recent (as of today) itineraries of these two aircraft: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-ymmg and https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-ymmk
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Thank you Globaliser.The BOM website is not the most user friendly I have ever seen and I am unsure if I actually need to enter India or if I can stay airside
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Hi, hopefully I am posting in the right place, if not perhaps a moderator could assist and move it to a more appropriate place.

I do not see BOM in the wiki above have not been able to find the answer in the guide but that may be down to poor search technique, so apologies if I have missed the answer elsewhere.

Is anyone aware if BA 139 (LHR - BOM) then becomes BA 138 ( BOM - LHR), and if so, is it feasible to do a back to back with a 2 hour turn around?

Thank you in advance.
As per the other reply, this is the same aircraft, so no issues there and from the responses in this thread Mumbai airport (BOM) connection/transfer/transit questions - dedicated thread the transit at BOM if staying in T2 is very easy and you do not need to go through immigration.

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Thank you so much Pilot37 you have much better Google skills than I
PHL - LHR - BOM and back it is then!
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LHR-MAN same plane turn?

I'm looking to add 2 cheap BA flights between my September JFK-LHR and LHR-CAI flights so I'll have my 4 BA flights for next year.
Are LHR-MAN flights likely to be same plane turns such that I can walk off the plane, wait at gate and then reboard the return flight?

LHR-MAN BA1386 10:10am-11:20am A319
MAN-LHR BA1391 12:10pm-1:20pm A319

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