Outbound flight not taken, return cancelled?
May 2, 2019, 9:39 am
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https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...ns-of-carriage
3c2 in the Conditions of Carriage would seem to cover it:
3c2) Your ticket is no longer valid if you do not use all the coupons in the sequence provided in the ticket. Where you change your travel without our agreement and the price for the resulting transportation you intend to undertake is greater than the price originally paid, you will be requested to pay the difference in price. Failure to pay the price applicable to your revised transportation will result in refusal of carriage.
May 2, 2019, 9:42 am
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IIRC there was a German court decision saying that this is not enforceable and flight coupons can be used in any order (although I don't understand how this would work with inflexible tickets). It doesn't seem to apply to the entire EU but might be applicable if your itinerary touches Germany, if you have a German address, or if the tickets were issued in Germany. IANAL.
May 2, 2019, 10:20 am
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IIRC there was a German court decision saying that this is not enforceable and flight coupons can be used in any order (although I don't understand how this would work with inflexible tickets). It doesn't seem to apply to the entire EU but might be applicable if your itinerary touches Germany, if you have a German address, or if the tickets were issued in Germany. IANAL.
May 2, 2019, 10:34 am
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The LH website now seems to allow you to choose whether you'd like a ticket that can be used out of sequence in a similar way the BA site allows you to choose whether you'd like flexibility. I've not had time to draw comparisons on the fares being quoted there but I'd be as bold as to suggest opting for a ticket that can be used out of sequence will cost more than one that cannot.
May 2, 2019, 10:36 am
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The LH website now seems to allow you to choose whether you'd like a ticket that can be used out of sequence in a similar way the BA site allows you to choose whether you'd like flexibility. I've not had time to draw comparisons on the fares being quoted there but I'd be as bold as to suggest opting for a ticket that can be used out of sequence will cost more than one that cannot.
May 2, 2019, 11:24 am
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IIRC there was a German court decision saying that this is not enforceable and flight coupons can be used in any order (although I don't understand how this would work with inflexible tickets). It doesn't seem to apply to the entire EU but might be applicable if your itinerary touches Germany, if you have a German address, or if the tickets were issued in Germany. IANAL.
May 2, 2019, 1:13 pm
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IIRC there was a German court decision saying that this is not enforceable and flight coupons can be used in any order (although I don't understand how this would work with inflexible tickets). It doesn't seem to apply to the entire EU but might be applicable if your itinerary touches Germany, if you have a German address, or if the tickets were issued in Germany. IANAL.
German courts have ruled that a carrier must offer to sell a ticket which does not require that the segments be flown in the order issued. However, the court expressly did not require that such tickets be sold at the same price. Thus, if you purchase from a German POS, you may purchase such a ticket. However, the pricing is generally astronomically higher than what standard tickets cost for the same route and otherwise same conditions. There may be some limited instances where purchasing one of these special tickets makes sense, but I have yet to find one.
Spain has recently suggested the same. However, the pricing issue is still fluid. But, nothing in the Spanish court decision appears to prohibit carriers from selling tickets with segment-skipping flexibility at a premium.
The bottom line is that this is an interesting academic debate with precious little value in the real world.
May 2, 2019, 3:36 pm
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No, they aren’t. There is such crap peddled on this forum sometimes. If you no show for the return, which is what the question asked, then there is no penalty that BA can levy.
May 2, 2019, 3:54 pm
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https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...ns-of-carriage
3c) Using flight coupons in the right sequence and changes in itinerary
3c1) Your ticket is valid only for the transportation shown on it from the place of departure through any agreed stopping places to the final place of destination. The fare you have paid is based on our tariff for the transportation shown on your ticket and forms part of your contract with us.3c2) Your ticket is no longer valid if you do not use all the coupons in the sequence provided in the ticket. Where youchange your travel without our agreement and the price for the resulting transportation you intend to undertake is greater than the price originally paid, you will be requested to pay the difference in price. Failure to pay the price applicable to your revised transportation will result in refusal of carriage.
May 2, 2019, 4:30 pm
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The question asked in both the thread OP and the later post #15 seems to be "if you no show for a segment then are subsequent segments cancelled?"
May 2, 2019, 7:17 pm
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I'm pretty sure that checking that box prices the itinerary as full fare one way tickets (YY fare basis) so you could then use them in any order. So for a Vienna-Frankfurt-Amsterdam return ticket, you're buying four separate flexible one ways. Even then, if you simply no-show without cancelling, I think you loose the value of that segment.
May 3, 2019, 1:12 am
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I am not saying they would tbh, but doesn't this condition say exactly that? Probably more relevant for long haul where a one way can easily be a lot more than booking a return and throwing the return leg away.
https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...ns-of-carriage
https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...ns-of-carriage
May 3, 2019, 1:17 am
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The resulting transportation from your change is the one way vs the return you originally booked.
i don’t want to descend in to a protracted legal argument as this one has been done to death many times wrt to missing the last leg, but I think to say there is absolutely no right for ba to do it has a degree of certainty not supported by the facts
i don’t want to descend in to a protracted legal argument as this one has been done to death many times wrt to missing the last leg, but I think to say there is absolutely no right for ba to do it has a degree of certainty not supported by the facts