Passenger with a broken arm in Exit row
Jan 17, 2013, 3:15 pm
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You're correctly worried that passengers might stop and stare in admiration rather than evacuate the plane. Very sensible attitude to take, and I assume you keep your identity secret to prevent autograph hunters chasing you.
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Jan 17, 2013, 6:51 pm
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It's pretty difficult operating the doors with two hands - trying to swinging open with one hand while holding onto the grab handle with the other hand. I am sure regulations do indeed allow a person with a broken arm in an exit row, but I'm nevertheless surprised. After all, the crew member at the door may not be in a condition to erase the door after an incident.
Jan 18, 2013, 1:49 am
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It's pretty difficult operating the doors with two hands - trying to swinging open with one hand while holding onto the grab handle with the other hand. I am sure regulations do indeed allow a person with a broken arm in an exit row, but I'm nevertheless surprised. After all, the crew member at the door may not be in a condition to erase the door after an incident.
Most aircraft doors open at high speed when armed in automatic, as a gas bottle propels the door open, and these doors would only need to be pushed or pulled open if this system failed. Also the slide deploys automatically at high speed and the manual inflation handle at the base of the door would only need to be pulled, in the event that the slide did not inflate.
I hope that puts your mind at rest in the awful event that your crew member was incapacitated. Heaven forbid!
Jan 18, 2013, 2:14 am
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a physical or mental disability that results in partial or total inability to perform social, occupational or other normal everyday activities
and an arm in a sling definitely meets that criteria imo
It is unlikely that I will find this situation, but if I did I would say something same as I have done when seeing those which are definitely not permitted.... those under 12
Jan 18, 2013, 2:39 am
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I'd go by dictionary
a physical or mental disability that results in partial or total inability to perform social, occupational or other normal everyday activities
and an arm in a sling definitely meets that criteria imo
It is unlikely that I will find this situation, but if I did I would say something same as I have done when seeing those which are definitely not permitted.... those under 12
a physical or mental disability that results in partial or total inability to perform social, occupational or other normal everyday activities
and an arm in a sling definitely meets that criteria imo
It is unlikely that I will find this situation, but if I did I would say something same as I have done when seeing those which are definitely not permitted.... those under 12
As with a lot of issues, we don't know the exact details of this case and as I was not on this flight and am unable to speak with this passenger or look at his arm, it is not possible for me to make an accurate assessment about whether this person was OK to sit at the door or not.
I am sure that the cabin crew member on the day will have correctly assesed the situation.
Jan 18, 2013, 8:43 am
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Well that may be the case but some people wear a sling just to rest their arm and aid recovery. The arm may actualy work perfectly well.
As with a lot of issues, we don't know the exact details of this case and as I was not on this flight and am unable to speak with this passenger or look at his arm, it is not possible for me to make an accurate assessment about whether this person was OK to sit at the door or not.
I am sure that the cabin crew member on the day will have correctly assesed the situation.
As with a lot of issues, we don't know the exact details of this case and as I was not on this flight and am unable to speak with this passenger or look at his arm, it is not possible for me to make an accurate assessment about whether this person was OK to sit at the door or not.
I am sure that the cabin crew member on the day will have correctly assesed the situation.
Jan 18, 2013, 10:26 am
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I've been on a flight where someone was asked to move because they might not have met the criteria for sitting there. Wasn't a BA flight but they came over and asked if he could perform all the actions that may be required of him in an emergency. The bloke said something and he was then moved to another seat, but his arms looked fine to me.
Sorry if that sounds frivolous [well, obviously it does] but that's for the CC to analyse across a range of criteria. That's why they check. They usually check me in 63B to ensure I'm compus mentis - not failed the test yet.
Jan 18, 2013, 1:08 pm
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No idea but whatever he said he obviously didn't meet the requirements that the crew were expecting. He may have said he wasn't willing to help in the event of an emergency, who knows?
Jan 21, 2013, 10:27 am
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A broken arm does not stop you from sitting in an exit row.
If this was a self help exit that required the door to be lifted, like an overwing exit, I think the cabin crew would ask the passenger to move but this is a proper functioning door. A passenger with a broken leg could not sit at an exit row because this could cause an obstruction but a broken arm does not cause an obstruction and a door can be opened with one hand plus a crew member sits at this door to open it in an emergency.
If this was a self help exit that required the door to be lifted, like an overwing exit, I think the cabin crew would ask the passenger to move but this is a proper functioning door. A passenger with a broken leg could not sit at an exit row because this could cause an obstruction but a broken arm does not cause an obstruction and a door can be opened with one hand plus a crew member sits at this door to open it in an emergency.
I found the requirements
In the unlikely event of an evacuation you will be expected to assist in the opening of the emergency door.
In accordance with CAA requirements, the following categories of passengers cannot be allocated an emergency exit seat:
Children under 12 and infants.
Passengers who are unable to reach, open, lift and throw out the exit door in an emergency.
Passengers who because of physical stature, age or sickness have difficulty in moving quickly.
Passengers who are unable to understand and carry out instructions given in English.
Passengers who are travelling with anyone who would require their assistance in the event of an emergency.
Passengers who are either substantially blind or substantially deaf, to the extent that they might not easily understand printed or verbal instructions given.
If you do not meet the criteria you will be moved to alternative seat.
In accordance with CAA requirements, the following categories of passengers cannot be allocated an emergency exit seat:
Children under 12 and infants.
Passengers who are unable to reach, open, lift and throw out the exit door in an emergency.
Passengers who because of physical stature, age or sickness have difficulty in moving quickly.
Passengers who are unable to understand and carry out instructions given in English.
Passengers who are travelling with anyone who would require their assistance in the event of an emergency.
Passengers who are either substantially blind or substantially deaf, to the extent that they might not easily understand printed or verbal instructions given.
If you do not meet the criteria you will be moved to alternative seat.
The boy in question was particularly annoying though -- getting his IFE out to start with, which the cabin crew put away (manual safety briefing), then doing it again while we were taxiing. His mother was refusing to have her bags stowed ("I didn't realise it was an exit row"). Of course the bags had to be stored up in CW due to the ET overheads being full (even with 30 empty seats).
Jan 21, 2013, 10:31 am
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Thanks, fascinating.
I found the requirements
The boy in question was particularly annoying though -- getting his IFE out to start with, which the cabin crew put away (manual safety briefing), then doing it again while we were taxiing. His mother was refusing to have her bags stowed ("I didn't realise it was an exit row"). Of course the bags had to be stored up in CW due to the ET overheads being full (even with 30 empty seat).
I found the requirements
The boy in question was particularly annoying though -- getting his IFE out to start with, which the cabin crew put away (manual safety briefing), then doing it again while we were taxiing. His mother was refusing to have her bags stowed ("I didn't realise it was an exit row"). Of course the bags had to be stored up in CW due to the ET overheads being full (even with 30 empty seat).
Apart from this annoying family, how was the flight. Ok I hope?
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Jan 22, 2013, 2:37 pm
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Better than the overnight flight, however
* Still jabbed in the back -- the only way to control IFE is by jabbing the passenger in front
* When watching old films on IFE, there is a stupid button which converts the correct 4x3 film and stretches it to the entire screen, distorting the film and making it unwatchable. Not a problem (just don't push the button), but
* Stress on boarding due to the lack of overhead storage. When the cabin crew decide to bring enormous suitcases onboard it doesn't help.
* Seats are far closer together than in WTP, even when it's a teenager next to you. Personal space in WTP is just so much better.
* Still jabbed in the back -- the only way to control IFE is by jabbing the passenger in front
* When watching old films on IFE, there is a stupid button which converts the correct 4x3 film and stretches it to the entire screen, distorting the film and making it unwatchable. Not a problem (just don't push the button), but
* Stress on boarding due to the lack of overhead storage. When the cabin crew decide to bring enormous suitcases onboard it doesn't help.
* Seats are far closer together than in WTP, even when it's a teenager next to you. Personal space in WTP is just so much better.
Jan 22, 2013, 2:47 pm
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Jan 22, 2013, 2:48 pm
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