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747_not_777 Aug 18, 12 4:06 pm

BA flies to 8 of the 10 most populous cities in the USA
 
Sitting by the pool near Phoenix as I type (at the Camelback Inn in Scottsdale, which I love) and the Mrs and I got talking about how nice it is BA flies direct to PHX, making it the only European carrier to do so.

That spiralled into a conversation about perhaps PHX being of the biggest cities in the US, and it is... 6th in fact, based on 2011 data. Checking out the Top 10 was actually quite surprising, and by my reckoning, BA only offer direct services to 8 out of 10:

1. New York
2. Los Angeles
3. Chicago
4. Houston
5. Philadelphia
6. Phoenix
7. San Antonio
8. San Diego
9. Dallas
10. San Jose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

Interestingly, other main BA gateways I can think of are ranked as follows:

14. San Francisco
21. Boston
22. Denver
23. Seattle
24. Baltimore
25. Washington
31. Las Vegas
40. Atlanta
44. Miami
53. Tampa
68. Newark
78. Orlando

Have I missed any?

Obviously a few discrepancies as you get places like Fort Worth and North Las Vegas listed as separate cities, which of course they are, and if they were included with their neighbours it would affect the rankings.

And I know BA don't fly to places based on population data alone, but it is still an interesting analysis to consider. And helps to reinforce why they brought back the SAN service.

So when are San Jose and San Antonio launching????? ;)

Marcusm Aug 18, 12 4:13 pm

Given its proximity to SFO, woud there be much point flying to San Jose?

Dieuwer Aug 18, 12 4:13 pm

I think you need to take these lists with a grain of salt as they do not consider metro-areas nor proximate airports.
For instance, BOS is listed as 21st, but I bet that does not include Brookline, Cambridge and the other towns that make up the Greater Boston Area that all draw on Logan Airport. Conversely, the population in San Jose (SJC) probably uses SFO as well.

747_not_777 Aug 18, 12 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by Marcusm (Post 19148254)
Given its proximity to SFO, woud there be much point flying to San Jose?

I meant it in a jocular fashion...

Still, I was amazed at just how big the likes of PHX and Houston were, compared with some other cities...

hillrider Aug 18, 12 4:46 pm

OP: you're using the wrong list. You need to look at Metropolitan Statistical Areas, as in many metropolis the city is only a small part of the total.

The correct list is:

1. New York (incl. Newark)
2. Los Angeles
3. Chicago
4. Dallas
5. Houston
6. Philadelphia
7. Washington
8. Miami
9. Atlanta
10. Boston

11. San Francisco
13. Detroit
14. Phoenix
15. Seattle
17. San Diego
18. Tampa
20. Baltimore
21. Denver
26. Orlando
30. Las Vegas

So BA serves 20 metro areas in the US, all in the top 30 by population. The metro areas in the top-30 lacking direct service are as follows:

12. Riverside (served by LAX)
16. Minneapolis
19. St. Louis
22. Pittsburgh
23. Portland
24. San Antonio
25. Sacramento
27. Cincinnati
28. Cleveland
29. Kansas City

Of course, probably a better ranking than by population would be by GDP of the metro area.

AZ Travels the World Aug 18, 12 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by 747_not_777 (Post 19148224)
Obviously a few discrepancies as you get places like Fort Worth and North Las Vegas listed as separate cities, which of course they are, and if they were included with their neighbours it would affect the rankings.

In the US, the discrepancies can be significant. We tend to look at the population of metropolitan areas, as opposed to specific city limits, as the more representative number. This ranking will likely look more logical to most people

1) New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA - 21,976,224
2) Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA - 17,775,984
3) Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI - 9,725,317
4) Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV - 8,211,213
5) Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH - 7,465,634
6) San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA - 7,228,948
7) Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD - 6,382,714
8) Dallas-Fort Worth, TX - 6,359,758
9) Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX - 5,641,077
10) Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL - 5,478,667
11) Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL - 5,463,857
12) Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI - 5,410,014
13) Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ - 4,039,182
14) Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA - 3,876,211
15) Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI - 3,502,891
16) Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO - 2,927,911
17) San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA - 2,941,454
18) Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH - 2,917,801
19) St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL - 2,858,549
20) Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL - 2,697,731

paulwuk Aug 18, 12 5:08 pm

So BA fly to 20 U.S. Cities, one destination/15.8 million

In the UK, that number's 8, but that's twice the density at one per 7.8 million

Not too bad though, in India it's 5, one per 240 million - in China, 3, one every 450 million, and that's if you include Hong Kong.

But in the spirit of fairness, I think Gibraltar wins on an over-subscription to BA, with one destination per 30,000 people.

vla Aug 18, 12 5:17 pm

Why is Denver at 2.927m listed before San Diego at 2.941m?

Seven rolls upwards, making three, leading to 2.93, but one rolls downwards, thus 2.94. Yet 2.94 is more than 2.93.

Both sister cities are lovely places to visit though.

747_not_777 Aug 18, 12 5:33 pm

That is very interesting data to see, so thanks to both of the OPs for posting the Metro areas.

I am still amazed that PHX is so big...

cornishsimon Aug 18, 12 6:57 pm


Originally Posted by hillrider (Post 19148415)
13. Detroit


Did i miss something ?


cs

DWFI Aug 18, 12 11:03 pm


Originally Posted by cornishsimon (Post 19148967)
Did i miss something ?


cs

No one really likes that place anyway ;):p

inY Aug 18, 12 11:16 pm

PIT is sad. Year-round international destination Toronto. Paris, Cancun, and Punta Cana are seasonal.

747_not_777 Aug 19, 12 12:28 am


Originally Posted by cornishsimon (Post 19148967)
Did i miss something ?

cs

They used to fly there, but it was a dangerous place back then - and probably still is today. And presumably very much a businness route, as it can't be a hive of tourist activity!

Even though, the automotive industry there is in a mess and part of the city is turning back to agriculture...

chucko Aug 19, 12 2:15 am


Originally Posted by 747_not_777 (Post 19148275)
I meant it in a jocular fashion...

Still, I was amazed at just how big the likes of PHX and Houston were, compared with some other cities...

You once could distinguish Phoenix from the 'burbs, but now it's just a massive 40x50-mile grid.

I hope you missed the worst of the heat wave last week. August is brutal there, but the rates tend to be good.

Swanhunter Aug 19, 12 3:16 am

Look at it another way. BA serve 3 destinations in Florida, and 3 in the whole of South America. ;)


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