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BA3 LCY-JFK to lose US preclearance in Shannon [from 28 October 2012]

BA3 LCY-JFK to lose US preclearance in Shannon [from 28 October 2012]

Old Jul 3, 12, 2:38 am
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Originally Posted by Yachtman View Post
I've never understand why Aer Lingus hasn't really pushed the marketing for being able to clear immigration in Dublin, and at the same time targeted regional airports in the UK and opened up the entire route network to them.

If you had a choice between LBA-LHR-EWR and LBA-DUB-EWR with the ability to clear immigration during your transit, then it would be a marketable option.

A few years back Aer Arran?? started flights from Doncaster on behalf of Aer Lingus, yet they opened up a few destinations for onward connections, but not the entire route network, which seemed ludicrous.
They still do that from many UK airports, even more so with the Aer Arann agreement in place for Aer Lingus regional. How advertised it is in the localities I can't comment on. Initially they were sometimes not possible to book online but they seem to have smoothed that wrinkle out now for the most part.
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Old Jul 5, 12, 7:12 am
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The timing of the BA LCY services probably needs a rethink anyway. Wouldn't execs really prefer a morning departure to give them at least an afternoon in NYC, and another after 6pm to give a full day in London and New York by bedtime? If the later service had to go via Dublin T2, so what? No-one's getting off other than to do the immigration shuffle. Although the Dublin crew currently knock off at 6 after the last EI departure to the States.
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Old Jul 5, 12, 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by blowstar View Post
If the later service had to go via Dublin T2, so what? No-one's getting off other than to do the immigration shuffle. Although the Dublin crew currently knock off at 6 after the last EI departure to the States.
Dublin pre-clearance closes mid-afternoon so that wouldn't work....
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Old Jul 5, 12, 11:42 am
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Although the Dublin crew currently knock off at 6 after the last EI departure to the States.
Indeed the evening JFK flight (and possibly the BOS one) still clear on arrival.

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Old Jul 5, 12, 11:54 am
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Originally Posted by colmc View Post
pre-clear on arrival.
How can you pre-clear on arrival?
In other words: do you mean "clear on arrival" or "pre-clear"?
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Old Jul 5, 12, 11:55 am
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It is interesting how this article explains it...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/wo...orts.html?_r=1

Apparently the US sees it as a way to make flights into the US safer.
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Old Jul 5, 12, 12:49 pm
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I've got an idea...

They could just have the one border point in Shannon and make all the Dublin->US flights route through there like they used to - am sure it was a roaring success last time
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Old Jul 5, 12, 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by NickB View Post
How can you pre-clear on arrival?
In other words: do you mean "clear on arrival" or "pre-clear"?
By magic..or by typing on a mobile
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Old Jul 5, 12, 2:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Yachtman View Post
I've never understand why Aer Lingus hasn't really pushed the marketing for being able to clear immigration in Dublin, and at the same time targeted regional airports in the UK and opened up the entire route network to them.
But they do - and not just from the UK, but from many points in Europe, too.

Aer Lingus' TATL flights are jam-packed. Their June long-haul flights had a load factor of 92.4%, and Christoph Mueller was recently quoted as saying that their business cabin "always" sells out before their economy cabin.
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Old Jul 17, 12, 3:51 am
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Seems BA haven't been told anything about this yet, but will consider alternative routes if they have to

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/bu...ions-1-4031608
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Old Jul 17, 12, 3:57 am
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Vaguely interesting that there's a thread on the "other european airlines" forum about Aer Lingus re-timing its second DUB-JFK flight to pre-clear in Dublin from next year, as they switch to T5 at JFK.
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Old Jul 18, 12, 6:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Swiss Tony View Post
Wot NickB said - once you cross that line, at least as I understand it, you are subject to US law.
I can't speak for what happens in Ireland, but in Canada, this is definitely not the case. When you are in the US Pre-clearance area at a Canadian airport, you are explicitly still on Canadian sovereign soil, and protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Just as importantly, when you are in the US Pre-clearance area, you ALWAYS have the RIGHT to turn around and say that you don't want to travel to the US any more. Additionally, US Pre-clearance officers do not have the right to detain unless they suspect under reasonable grounds that they suspect you of making false or deceptive claims, or of "obstructing a preclearance officer". They also can frisk you with reasonable suspicion, but they can NOT strip-search you (they must ask a Canadian officer to do that). US officers can't even arrest people in the pre-clearance area; again, they have to ask a Canadian officer to do that.

In any event, the Canadian Preclearance Act of 1999 makes it clear that pre-clearance areas are still Canadian sovereign soil, with people in these areas subject solely to Canadian laws. Lots of stuff on the net to Google if you're interested.

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Old Jul 18, 12, 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by SuperCargo View Post
I can't speak for what happens in Ireland, but in Canada, this is definitely not the case. When you are in the US Pre-clearance area at a Canadian airport, you are explicitly still on Canadian sovereign soil, and protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
That would be the same in Ireland. YOu are still within Irish jurisdiction.

Just as importantly, when you are in the US Pre-clearance area, you ALWAYS have the RIGHT to turn around and say that you don't want to travel to the US any more. Additionally, US Pre-clearance officers do not have the right to detain unless they suspect under reasonable grounds that they suspect you of making false or deceptive claims, or of "obstructing a preclearance officer". They also can frisk you with reasonable suspicion, but they can NOT strip-search you (they must ask a Canadian officer to do that). US officers can't even arrest people in the pre-clearance area; again, they have to ask a Canadian officer to do that.
Ditto in Ireland. I doubt that they even have the right to detain you at all, at any rate no more than any private security officer would have to hold you until the Guards arrived, assuming an offence to have been committed under Irish law.
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Old Jul 23, 12, 8:48 am
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If BA wishes to keep flights as domestic arrival at JFK choices seem to be:
1) Re-time BA3 to early morning, say 10:00 to arrive JFK 14:30, with BA1 departure remaining 12:50 arriving JFK at 17:15 or
2) Re-time BA3 to closer to BA1 12:50 departure, say 11:00 arriving JFK at 15:30

Current openning hours of DUB CBP do not allow for a LCY departure later than current 12:50.

Will BA go for more time in London or earlier arrival in NYC ?
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Old Jul 23, 12, 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by Swiss Tony View Post
I believe the main reason Ireland has this service is to stay in the visa waiver scheme. If the record of overstays breaches a certain level then the waiver can be withdrawn....
Where did you hear that?
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