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BA3 LCY-JFK to lose US preclearance in Shannon [from 28 October 2012]

BA3 LCY-JFK to lose US preclearance in Shannon [from 28 October 2012]

Old Jul 2, 12, 12:10 pm
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I remember doing a FRA flight which was about 80% US military in Traveller and I did nothing but blush all the way through the cabin when serving them... God, I am pathetic...

They are exceptionally polite though, and no issues stowing hand baggage either... Was brilliant! I have never been called Sir that many times before..
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Old Jul 2, 12, 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Swiss Tony View Post
There's a sovereignty issue in play here ...
I doubt that, at least in the technical sense.

What the airport courteously allows the visiting foreigners to put up by way of wall decorations doesn't actually indicate that that bit of the country has upped and left.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by BingBongBoy View Post
I have never been called Sir that many times before..
I'm sure there are some specialised clubs in Vauxhall that cater for that sort of thing
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Old Jul 2, 12, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by MNManInKen View Post
I'm sure there are some specialised clubs in Vauxhall that cater for that sort of thing
Oh lord... I am not taking my designer uniform to one of those disgusting places!

I mean Sir in a nice way, not any other...
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Old Jul 2, 12, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by BingBongBoy View Post
I mean Sir in a nice way, not any other...
Yesir in a southern accent makes me go weak at the knees. Anyway enough thread-thieving.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Globaliser View Post
I doubt that, at least in the technical sense.

What the airport courteously allows the visiting foreigners to put up by way of wall decorations doesn't actually indicate that that bit of the country has upped and left.
In a more susbtantive sense, though, allowing police and other law enforcement officers from another jurisdiction operating on your national territory can be touchy for many states. Vide the controversy over the Schengen "hot pursuit" provisions.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 12:49 pm
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Indeed, sorry, back on subject...
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Old Jul 2, 12, 1:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Nightbus to Dalson View Post
I have seen US troops on a few occasions in SNN.
I understand that they are usually going from the Gulf to ATL & that SNN is the most adequate runway so far west for the large military planes. The US have been using that location for donkeys years.
They stroll about buying gifts etc in the duty free shop like bored housewives.
I don't think there's anything unusually large about most of the US troopers - it's probably more a range issue as they're running old clunkers like 767-200's from places like Kuwait to Kansas and Texas so they're almost certainly going to have to refuel somewhere.

IIRC didn't/doesn't SNN have Delta flights to the US in additional to the CO/UA flights mentioned before, plus I seem to vaguely remember a route like DUB-ORD-SNN-DUB, or was it to BOS? I can't remember if that was EI or AA?
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Old Jul 2, 12, 1:16 pm
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Originally Posted by irmster View Post
it's no wonder BA are trying to sell the LCY-JFK service.
There is no evidence for this.

Much more likely that they would sell off/outsource the LGW shorthaul operation and recent changes were made to protect CWLCY from that transaction. Which may never happen.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 4:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Globaliser View Post
I doubt that, at least in the technical sense.

What the airport courteously allows the visiting foreigners to put up by way of wall decorations doesn't actually indicate that that bit of the country has upped and left.
Wot NickB said - once you cross that line, at least as I understand it, you are subject to US law.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 4:57 pm
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Best not to confuse US CBP border officers with local law enforcement officers. Similar perspective would be gleaned from French and Belgian immigration officers at St Pancras. The border control zone is not territory ceded to the US, or "The Schengens", nor is this a territory belonging to nobody. GB is simply allowing certain activities of a foreign government to occur in a location where it manifests effective control, and thus retains law enforcement capacity.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 5:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Swiss Tony View Post
Wot NickB said - once you cross that line, at least as I understand it, you are subject to US law.
No, I don't think that's how it works. vla explains it beautifully.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 6:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Yachtman View Post
I've never understand why Aer Lingus hasn't really pushed the marketing for being able to clear immigration in Dublin, and at the same time targeted regional airports in the UK and opened up the entire route network to them.

If you had a choice between LBA-LHR-EWR and LBA-DUB-EWR with the ability to clear immigration during your transit, then it would be a marketable option.

A few years back Aer Arran?? started flights from Doncaster on behalf of Aer Lingus, yet they opened up a few destinations for onward connections, but not the entire route network, which seemed ludicrous.
A few years back Aer Lingus did offer LBA-DUB-JFK with pre clearance at DUB - and very good it was too! Sadly they pulled out of LBA some time ago.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 7:19 pm
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Originally Posted by vla View Post
Best not to confuse US CBP border officers with local law enforcement officers. Similar perspective would be gleaned from French and Belgian immigration officers at St Pancras. The border control zone is not territory ceded to the US, or "The Schengens", nor is this a territory belonging to nobody. GB is simply allowing certain activities of a foreign government to occur in a location where it manifests effective control, and thus retains law enforcement capacity.
Agreed but the very fact of allowing law enforcement officers to operate on your territory is in itself a sensitive issue even if you do keep ultimate effective control.

I believe that all states bar none would regard it as manifestly and utterly unacceptable for foreign law enforcement officers such as immigration officers to operate on their territory without the authorisation of the host state authorities. There IS, to that extent, an issue of sovereignty as far as they are concerned.
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Old Jul 2, 12, 8:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Swiss Tony View Post
Wot NickB said - once you cross that line, at least as I understand it, you are subject to US law.
When it comes to our pre-clearance facilities in general, the US federal government does not have jurisdiction to, on its own, arrest and prosecute for activity that merely takes place in a foreign country's airport even after the person has done the US pre-clearance formalities. To arrest and prosecute generally involves foreign government (host country) law enforcement action, and/or it involves the US law enforcement personnel (which includes much of CBP) waiting for an arrival in the US that hits upon (a) a federal law violation and/or (b) upon reference for local/state law violation. The powers of the CBP to do much abroad are actually quite limited, more limited in countries that are not as much of a banana republic or royal tool state as others when entering into a pre-clearance agreement with the US.

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