Pre-Departure Drinks in F: What can they serve?
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Pre-Departure Drinks in F: What can they serve?
For years I am used to getting a glass of red wine on the ground. Generally they will bring out the wine list to choose. On a recent LHR-JFK flight I was offered water, juice or champagne. I asked about a red wine as was told a blunt NO. I said red wine again, thinking maybe there was some communication problem and was told NO again in a snippy way. When I asked why, I was told "customs duty" that they can't open any spirits except champagne on the ground and if I had gotten anything else the crew were breaking the rules. Later in air the same cabin crew member went into a long explanation that if the plane had gone tech there would have been lots of trouble if they had opened the liquor cart, etc. It was in a lecturing way. I merely told him that being turned down was the first time it happened so his way seemed to be the exception. This was all very polite. He then told me "unfortunately I don't control what my colleagues do."
What is BA's policy?
What is BA's policy?
Last edited by elitetraveler; May 28, 2012 at 5:57 am
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Indeed the policy is water, orange juice or champagne only.
Anecdotal evidence suggests people on this forum often get a full bar choice, and indeed yourself you have managed this in the past.
Personal experience is that I've asked for diet coke and been refused.
Unfortunately, from how you describe the story, the way in which this was dealt with by the cabin crew was far from ideal. I hope the flight was otherwise enjoyable.
Anecdotal evidence suggests people on this forum often get a full bar choice, and indeed yourself you have managed this in the past.
Personal experience is that I've asked for diet coke and been refused.
Unfortunately, from how you describe the story, the way in which this was dealt with by the cabin crew was far from ideal. I hope the flight was otherwise enjoyable.
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A reminder to us only last week.
I would like to provide further clarity on the opening of liquor bars pre-take off. Bars ex UK can be opened in order to access the pre-take off Champagne as we have dispensation from customs to use the bar. However should the aircraft return to stand once pushed back, a C209 form will need to be completed as per usual customs requirements.
At some out-stations it may also be necessary to open the bars to deliver the pre-take off service as per our current service standards. To ensure consistency pre-take off drinks served should only be champagne, orange juice or water. No other drinks should be offered until after take off.
I would like to provide further clarity on the opening of liquor bars pre-take off. Bars ex UK can be opened in order to access the pre-take off Champagne as we have dispensation from customs to use the bar. However should the aircraft return to stand once pushed back, a C209 form will need to be completed as per usual customs requirements.
At some out-stations it may also be necessary to open the bars to deliver the pre-take off service as per our current service standards. To ensure consistency pre-take off drinks served should only be champagne, orange juice or water. No other drinks should be offered until after take off.
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A reminder to us only last week.
I would like to provide further clarity on the opening of liquor bars pre-take off. Bars ex UK can be opened in order to access the pre-take off Champagne as we have dispensation from customs to use the bar. However should the aircraft return to stand once pushed back, a C209 form will need to be completed as per usual customs requirements.
At some out-stations it may also be necessary to open the bars to deliver the pre-take off service as per our current service standards. To ensure consistency pre-take off drinks served should only be champagne, orange juice or water. No other drinks should be offered until after take off.
I would like to provide further clarity on the opening of liquor bars pre-take off. Bars ex UK can be opened in order to access the pre-take off Champagne as we have dispensation from customs to use the bar. However should the aircraft return to stand once pushed back, a C209 form will need to be completed as per usual customs requirements.
At some out-stations it may also be necessary to open the bars to deliver the pre-take off service as per our current service standards. To ensure consistency pre-take off drinks served should only be champagne, orange juice or water. No other drinks should be offered until after take off.
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He may have just been defensive, as we have all over looked this rule in the past.
Denying it never happened isn’t a good thing, being honest and saying that we have all been reminded of the policy and it won’t be happening in the future with an apology would be the best way of dealing with this in my opinion.
Denying it never happened isn’t a good thing, being honest and saying that we have all been reminded of the policy and it won’t be happening in the future with an apology would be the best way of dealing with this in my opinion.
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Its all about how you say what you want to say... Just stumping up the word "No" is never going to get you far.
As CIHY says, a response of "I am very sorry Sir, I know we used to do this, however we are not supposed to, and have all just been reminded that this can't be done any more. I will be more than happy to bring one to you as soon as we have taken off... Can I tempt you with some Champagne for the moment?" would have maybe had a better response?
As CIHY says, a response of "I am very sorry Sir, I know we used to do this, however we are not supposed to, and have all just been reminded that this can't be done any more. I will be more than happy to bring one to you as soon as we have taken off... Can I tempt you with some Champagne for the moment?" would have maybe had a better response?
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He may have just been defensive, as we have all over looked this rule in the past.
Denying it never happened isn’t a good thing, being honest and saying that we have all been reminded of the policy and it won’t be happening in the future with an apology would be the best way of dealing with this in my opinion.
Denying it never happened isn’t a good thing, being honest and saying that we have all been reminded of the policy and it won’t be happening in the future with an apology would be the best way of dealing with this in my opinion.
Would have been a much better approach. I think acknowledgement and empathy would have been a better approach. Sort of felt like being called a liar in a passive aggressive way. Anyway, I survived.
A bit of a shame about the rule -- I don't drink champagne but always appreciated a nice glass of red wine after getting onboard.
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And, to be fair, there's absolutely no excuse other than poor service standards not to meet an F pax request for any non-alcoholic beverage onboard. Even US domestic carriers can manage that in F !
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Its all about how you say what you want to say... Just stumping up the word "No" is never going to get you far.
As CIHY says, a response of "I am very sorry Sir, I know we used to do this, however we are not supposed to, and have all just been reminded that this can't be done any more. I will be more than happy to bring one to you as soon as we have taken off... Can I tempt you with some Champagne for the moment?" would have maybe had a better response?
As CIHY says, a response of "I am very sorry Sir, I know we used to do this, however we are not supposed to, and have all just been reminded that this can't be done any more. I will be more than happy to bring one to you as soon as we have taken off... Can I tempt you with some Champagne for the moment?" would have maybe had a better response?
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However, if you think those who made this order have 'poor service standards' perhaps you should write to them and say that. @:-)
Although not the same, sadly some ground colleagues disobey company policy to give the customer what they want even though it's against policy, ie. extra suitcase or weight without charge. It isn't good customer service because when somebody is refused the next time (as in the OP's case with this) then BA are poor because it's not been offered this time.
Good service is consistency. This sometimes means conforming to unpopular company rules whilst explaining to passengers the reasons for them.
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Did you not read what CIHY and BBB have stated? They are following orders provided by BA management, so absolutely nothing to do with poor service standards by crew.
However, if you think those who made this order have 'poor service standards' perhaps you should write to them and say that. @:-)
Although not the same, sadly some ground colleagues disobey company policy to give the customer what they want even though it's against policy, ie. extra suitcase or weight without charge. It isn't good customer service because when somebody is refused the next time (as in the OP's case with this) then BA are poor because it's not been offered this time.
Good service is consistency. This sometimes means conforming to unpopular company rules whilst explaining to passengers the reasons for them.
However, if you think those who made this order have 'poor service standards' perhaps you should write to them and say that. @:-)
Although not the same, sadly some ground colleagues disobey company policy to give the customer what they want even though it's against policy, ie. extra suitcase or weight without charge. It isn't good customer service because when somebody is refused the next time (as in the OP's case with this) then BA are poor because it's not been offered this time.
Good service is consistency. This sometimes means conforming to unpopular company rules whilst explaining to passengers the reasons for them.
A company that punishes an employee for serving a 50 cent can of coke to a $10,000 customer needs to re-think how they are doing things. I hope that is not the case w BA today.
PS - The ability to say no cloaked by 'rules' and 'consistency' does not make award winning service.
Last edited by elitetraveler; May 27, 2012 at 8:03 am
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Did you not read what CIHY and BBB have stated? They are following orders provided by BA management, so absolutely nothing to do with poor service standards by crew.
However, if you think those who made this order have 'poor service standards' perhaps you should write to them and say that. @:-)
Although not the same, sadly some ground colleagues disobey company policy to give the customer what they want even though it's against policy, ie. extra suitcase or weight without charge. It isn't good customer service because when somebody is refused the next time (as in the OP's case with this) then BA are poor because it's not been offered this time.
Good service is consistency. This sometimes means conforming to unpopular company rules whilst explaining to passengers the reasons for them.
However, if you think those who made this order have 'poor service standards' perhaps you should write to them and say that. @:-)
Although not the same, sadly some ground colleagues disobey company policy to give the customer what they want even though it's against policy, ie. extra suitcase or weight without charge. It isn't good customer service because when somebody is refused the next time (as in the OP's case with this) then BA are poor because it's not been offered this time.
Good service is consistency. This sometimes means conforming to unpopular company rules whilst explaining to passengers the reasons for them.
I agree with Often1 that it seems there is no reason an F passenger shouldn't be able to request any nonalcoholic beverage. Do you need a dispensation from Customs to serve someone sparkling water or diet coke?
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Always carry my own bottle of still water and/or diet coke for the times when the crew are unable to serve, ie. on the climb/descent.
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Wow, thanks for that kind piece of info about customer service. Having been in the job for years I'd never have known that.
Don't know as I'm not crew - and indicated that above by saying "on the ground".
Always carry my own bottle of still water and/or diet coke for the times when the crew are unable to serve, ie. on the climb/descent.
Don't know as I'm not crew - and indicated that above by saying "on the ground".
Always carry my own bottle of still water and/or diet coke for the times when the crew are unable to serve, ie. on the climb/descent.
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You could (still can?) buy a can of drink in the duty free shops in Schipol and they would put it in a sealed bag, a la duty free, with instructions that you were not to open it before boarding.