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Old Jan 15, 12, 9:39 am
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FWIW, I reckon they will go for a seat plan a bit like QF, with a higher WT+ capacity.

I will be disappointed if they opt for 2-3-2 on the UD - 2-2-2 works well and the aisles were wide enough on QF for us to actually wheel our pushchair down the aircraft, which was a first.

Initial (proper) routes have already been guessed on FT and HKG, LAX and JNB seem favourities.

Is ages away though - you don't all really believe they'll be here in a year do you!
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Old Jan 15, 12, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by badoc View Post
FWIW, I reckon they will go for a seat plan a bit like QF, with a higher WT+ capacity.

I will be disappointed if they opt for 2-3-2 on the UD - 2-2-2 works well and the aisles were wide enough on QF for us to actually wheel our pushchair down the aircraft, which was a first.

Initial (proper) routes have already been guessed on FT and HKG, LAX and JNB seem favourities.

Is ages away though - you don't all really believe they'll be here in a year do you!
Really? I thought that they would try to downplay wt+ since a lot of people just use that for upgrades, or is that just my perception?
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Old Jan 15, 12, 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by OxonCantab View Post
Really? I thought that they would try to downplay wt+ since a lot of people just use that for upgrades, or is that just my perception?
Received wisdom is that WT+ is the most profitable cabin on the plane.

Why else shift the WT+ cabin ahead of J ? (hint: they could cram a couple of extra seats in).

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Old Jan 15, 12, 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by BAHumbug View Post
Received wisdom is that WT+ is the most profitable cabin on the plane.

Why else shift the WT+ cabin ahead of J ? (hint: they could cram a couple of extra seats in).

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That claim is on a per square foot basis, not absolute profitability.

WT+ was moved in front of J to allow 38J 747s to be converted to 52J 747s at a stroke, increasing CW capacity by 8%.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by imflyinghigh View Post
My first post.

When BA launch WT+ they said it was to change the way we travel, and adding a flat bed to business was to keep up with the 21st century. What if BA were to be the only airline to introduce a 5th cabin to its A380 fleet. Suit, first, club, wt+ and wt.
Won't happen and would be a terrible business decision. If we're really honest with ourselves we'll realize that with BA's current fleet at least 50% of the reason to book F vs. CW is ego, not that the product itself justifies the price premium given how good CW's hard product is and how average the F hard product is amongst competing airlines. On AA there are legitimate reasons to take F over J, BA much less so. Therefore, if that 5th cabin were added NOBODY would ever book F; the majority would stick with club and the uber-wealthy egomaniacs would book suites. There would be a lot of wasted space.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by ian001 View Post
That claim is on a per square foot basis, not absolute profitability.
There's always going to be different methods of measuring it...

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Old Jan 15, 12, 1:09 pm
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As an engineer, I'm excited for the A380 joining the fleet for a slightly different reason...

4x Rolls-Royce Trent 900s (Designed and built in UK)
Wings designed and built in the UK
Goodrich avionics (UK designed)
Messier-Dowty undercarriage (UK designed, tested and built)
And many many many more UK design, test and suppliers

And all of it will have the Union Flag painted on the side of it. British Engineering at its best ^
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Old Jan 16, 12, 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by aerodude View Post
As an engineer, I'm excited for the A380 joining the fleet for a slightly different reason...

4x Rolls-Royce Trent 900s (Designed and built in UK)
Wings designed and built in the UK
Goodrich avionics (UK designed)
Messier-Dowty undercarriage (UK designed, tested and built)
And many many many more UK design, test and suppliers

And all of it will have the Union Flag painted on the side of it. British Engineering at its best ^
Did not know that - good news, however, who did the styling? IMHO it is not anywhere near as majestic as the B744, in fact it is rather ugly Although, I do not think that makes any part of my decision on which flight to book
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Old Jan 17, 12, 1:10 am
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Originally Posted by Gash View Post
Did not know that - good news, however, who did the styling? IMHO it is not anywhere near as majestic as the B744, in fact it is rather ugly Although, I do not think that makes any part of my decision on which flight to book
Modern aircraft are designed with advanced aerodynamics in mind. The most efficient shape for subsonic cruise over long distances might not necessarily be the most aesthetically attractive.

If you want a graphic representation of this then take a look at the difference between a 747-400 wing (designed by humans using slide rules etc. in 1969) and an A380 wing. The latter is almost a completely different shape.

In fact, I think some of the A380 wing design goes back to pioneering work done by Hawker-Siddely, but I am not entirely sure where I read that.

Edit: I read here http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=...ddeley&f=false that the droop leading edge idea is borrowed from the Trident! I am sure there was something else as well, in terms of the *shape* of the wing...
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Old Jan 17, 12, 3:26 am
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Originally Posted by BahrainLad View Post
In fact, I think some of the A380 wing design goes back to pioneering work done by Hawker-Siddely, but I am not entirely sure where I read that.
There are some fine pictures on airliners.net (unfortunately I can't go searching for them now) which show the Airbus wing twisting under take-off load, as opposed to the Boeing wing which just bends.

Looks a bit bizarre but doubtless there's a perfectly reasonable explanation...
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Old Jan 17, 12, 3:49 am
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Originally Posted by Gash View Post
... however, who did the styling? IMHO it is not anywhere near as majestic as the B744, in fact it is rather ugly ...
Think of it, perhaps, as an A320 that's overdosed on steroids?

IIRC, the 747's (good) looks were partly accidental in any event. The original competition requirement was to have a main deck that could be through-loaded, hence a design that elevated the flight deck above the main deck to allow loading through the nose. The hump followed for aerodynamic reasons. The advantages of this layout remained for the cargo aircraft that the design became after it lost the competition to the Galaxy, and the passenger version was basically thought to be an interim use for the airframe until the coming generation of supersonic airliners took over the passenger traffic.
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Although, I do not think that makes any part of my decision on which flight to book ...
Not even on the basis that a seat inside an A380 is one place where you can be almost guaranteed not to see its exterior shape?
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Old Jan 17, 12, 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by Waterhorse View Post
so expect to see it on MIA, BOM, DEL etc.
Wont be going to India in the foreseeable future.
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Old Jan 17, 12, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by BingBongBoy View Post

The Presidential Suite on the Upper Deck is most impressive... ^
I think you mean Royal Suite, surely BBB: this is a British airline....
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Old Jan 17, 12, 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by clarkeysntfc View Post
There was a thread on a.net about this where a BA employee confirmed routes that have gone to the pilots for bidding are:
JNB
HKG
LAX

The poster also confirmed the layouts, the cabins will be 4 class as below.
Downstairs (front to back) First, Club in a 2-4-2 config and WT.
Upstairs (front to back) Club in a 2-3-2 config, WT+ and WT.

The reason for the split level Club cabins is because of the unpopularity of the large Club cabins on the 777.

Edit: I have found the link and also copied the appoximate lay out. The poster in quesiton is 'speedmarque'.

Main deck - Front section 10-14 First Class
Main deck - Mid section 40 ish Club Class
Main deck - Aft section roughly 200 Economy (WT)

Upper deck - Forward half - 50 or so Club class
Upper deck - Aft section 50 Econ+ (WT+) and 100 Econ (WT)

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...A380#ID5331063
This is a very interesting layout option and I can see the benefit. We know that consistent Club passenger feedback is that 747s are great because of the upper deck, and BA are good at leveraging revenue from it such as the extra cost of paid-for seat selection. This is clearly the revenue benefit they've spotted for WT passengers. If I was due to fly WT in an A380 and had the option of, say, paying an extra 40 quid to ensure I sat upstairs, I would pay it.
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Old Jan 17, 12, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by DaddyRabbit View Post
I don't think most customers will give a hoot, given that some BA unions will likely strike before the first flight over some rule designed to keep BA flying. I am saying this, of course, as a former BA customer. FORMER.
I should have added to my last post: I am saying this, of course, as a current BA customer. CURRENT.

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