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AS is a long standing BA partner and, as of 31st March 2021, a full member of oneworld. You can book AS flights using your Avios through BA: prior to AS joining oneworld this was only possible on the phone through your local service centre, but it is now possible to book online with some caveats, specifically that at this time (August 2022) it's not possible to retrieve the AS PNR via ba.com - the chat function on alaskaair.com is staffed by helpful and responsive agents though who can get your AS PNR issued quickly. You can book flights up to 330 days in advance.

It has been reported that flights operated by Skywest "Skywest operating as Alaska Airlines" for flights like SEA-SLO are not possible to book with Avios. The system may initially allow agents to grab inventory but then will send back an error message when going further even with the telephone booking.

Avios Cost
The cost should be in line with the normal BA reward price banding. To get an idea of what your flight may cost check the distance with the BAEC flight calculator or using gcmap, and then have a look at the avios banding here.

Note that all AS flights (just like any other non-BA flights) are priced at the peak avios rates. Also note that from 2 February 2016, redemption rates for travel on American Airlines, Alaska Airlines, and TAM will start at 7,500 Avios rather than 4,500 Avios, effectively pricing Distance Band 1 flights as Band 2.

If the flight includes a number of stops under the same flight number then the avios charge is for a non-stop flight from the departure point to the destination. For example, for Seattle to Juneau AS65 the service makes three stops enroute. However, the avios rate charged is as if it were non-stop Seattle to Juneau flight (7,500 avios) and not the avios total for four segments.

Taxes, Fees, and Charges
As with other non-BA reward bookings you need to pay the taxes, fees, and charges. You should be able to predict what this will be by having a look at the taxes, fees, and charges on the AS website or on itamatrix.

BA policy is to charge £15/US$25 for offline award tickets but there has been consistent and sustained reports for years of agents waiving fees. As recently as 1/2017, there have been confirmatory reports that the telephone fee has been consistently waived. When initially calling the call center let your first sentence be, "Can you help me with an Alaska booking that I cannot complete online." The agents have all proactively waived fees in every circumstance. If they do not, HUCA (hang up and call again - or ask supervisor to waive)

Can I Check Reward Availability Online?
You can attempt to make a booking on ba.com and this should at least show Alaska mainline routes. You can also check AA website and the AS website. If AS reward flights show as available on aa.com, then they should be bookable with BA using avios. Check MileSAAver availability not AAnytime availability. AA may be better to check as this should show partner reward availability.

Checked Bags?
AS charges for checked bags on all economy fares, however oneworld ruby & sapphire members are entitled to 2 free bags and emerald members to 3 free bags. Note that oneworld elite baggage allowance is only applied to the passenger with the elite status: 1 GCH and 3 blue members on the same booking only provides 3 bags free, not 12. See the baggage information here. Note that you can only add bags at OLCI, at the airport, or on the phone no earlier than 24 hrs before the flight. Baggage fees are also waived for Alaska Credit Card holders and up to 6 companions on the same booking.

Redemptions in First include 2 checked bags per passenger as the base entitlement.

oneworld Benefits?
AS joined oneworld on 31st March 2021: priority check-in, priority boarding, baggage allowance* and lounge access for passengers with status all apply per the normal oneworld/AS policies. Alaska's table is here.
(* see the Checked Bags question above for an important detail)

Does the 24 hour Cooling Off Period Apply?
Yes it does. However, you must cancel by phone - it is not possible to do it online. Miles are refunded immediately into your Avios account, taxes (if returned) just take a few days to be credited.

Can I Amend the Booking?
Yes, subject to fees and reward availability on the flight you want to move to. You need to do it on the phone. Fees (both the offline fee and change fee) are shown here.
Because of the fee structure of BA Avios - it is often beneficial to book two one ways instead of one roundtrip if you are unsure about either your departure or return dates.

Can I Cancel the Booking?
Yes you may subject to the usual fees here Fees (both the offline fee and change fee) are shown here. If the taxes, fees, and charges you paid were less than the cancellation fee due then you simply forfeit the taxes and fees paid and that serves as your effective cancellation fee. If taxes, fees, and charges you paid were more than the cancellation fee then you would pay the cancellation fee USD55 but get back your taxes in full as well as your miles. (Rather they debit USD55 from your taxes and fees and return to you the balance remaining to your form of payment.)

Can I SDC Same Day Confirm on an AS Avios Ticket?
Yes, AS Avios tickets are eligible for AS same day confirmed change benefits as detailed on the AS website. If AS agent tells you differently HUCA. But AS website should allow you to do this regardless.

Are AS Avios tickets upgradeable with cash?
Yes, AS Avios tickets can be upgraded by paying a fee at 24hr check in, "U" inventory allowance, space available. Please note upgraded U fare class tickets are not eligible for lounge access.

Do AS Elite Benefits apply to AS Avios tickets?
Yes, if you are AS MVP Gold for instance your AS Avios ticket is eligible for Complimentary Upgrades and as long as your AS FFN is in the reservation, you will be automatically added to the AS complimentary upgrade list (AS in 12/05/16 changed policy to allow complimentary upgrades to apply to award tickets - including Avios awards) Gold Guest Upgrades, however, have never been allowed to be applied to AS Avios tickets.

Can I book Virgin America flights now using avios?
As of 25 April 2018, Virgin America no longer exists as far as reservations systems are concerned. Former VX flights are now AS flights and can be booked with Avios.



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Old Jan 30, 2013, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by stephem
Other than my annual family of four trip on CX YVR-HKG in business class, my other emerging favorite use is these shorter AS awards. Just booked SEA-SJD nonstop for 10k plus $25 one way per person. With Delta elite status I moved us into the bulkhead row for no charge.

SEA-LAX, SEA-PSP at 15k roundtrip and SEA-SJD for 20k roundtrip and we are loving our continued loyalty to BA (we actually do fly them lots!)
Funny - loyalty to BA...flying CX and AS! LOL! More like loyalty to Avios!

Totally agree with everything you say here! I am doing a trip next weekend YVR-LAX on AS and then YVR-JFK in the summer on CX. Accumulating avios and booking with BA was so simple. Much better availability than Aeroplan, too -- and looking forward to flying different airlines (tired of AC and UA)...
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 4:42 am
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newbie ...I have read a significant amount of the avios forums and AS posts and am seeking specific advice at this point.

What are my best options to use Avios on AS departing BLI and YVR? I would like to use Avios on BLI to Kona but other islands would be acceptable. I believe AS flies some direct flights BLI all year to Honolulu but other islands as well time of year dependent.

As for booking, do I call BA in Jacksonville ie US customer service? What should I expect in terms of points required and costs?

thanks for your anticipated advice.
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 5:02 am
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Originally Posted by testycal
newbie ...I have read a significant amount of the avios forums and AS posts and am seeking specific advice at this point.

What are my best options to use Avios on AS departing BLI and YVR? I would like to use Avios on BLI to Kona but other islands would be acceptable. I believe AS flies some direct flights BLI all year to Honolulu but other islands as well time of year dependent.

As for booking, do I call BA in Jacksonville ie US customer service? What should I expect in terms of points required and costs?

thanks for your anticipated advice.
call your regional exec club number to book

login to ba.com, click on executive club, then spending avios, then how many avios do i need
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Old Jan 31, 2013, 8:04 am
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Originally Posted by testycal
newbie ...I have read a significant amount of the avios forums and AS posts and am seeking specific advice at this point.

What are my best options to use Avios on AS departing BLI and YVR? I would like to use Avios on BLI to Kona but other islands would be acceptable. I believe AS flies some direct flights BLI all year to Honolulu but other islands as well time of year dependent.

As for booking, do I call BA in Jacksonville ie US customer service? What should I expect in terms of points required and costs?

thanks for your anticipated advice.
Let me do my best to explain how I research an Alaska booking using Avios.

1) I figure out how many miles each nonstop sector is by using Great Circle Mapper at http://www.gcmap.com/. Put in BLI-HNL to find the mileage. It is 2750 miles.

2) Iberia published a chart showing the Avios award bands. I believe that there has been some shift especially at the lower level. However, this is what I find to use: http://thepointsguy.com/wp-content/u...ward-Chart.png When you look where 2750 miles falls, you'll find it in the band that requires 12,500 Avios one way. Should you want a seat in F, it is 3x that, or 37,500 Avios one way.

3) Look on the AS site for award seats using AS miles. You need to find the lowest level award available in order to book with Avios.

4) Then call BA. You will likely be charged a $30 booking fee for each ticket.

It's really important to understand that Avios charges per individual sector. For example, if you had to fly SEA-SFO-HNL, you'd have to pay for each sector separately.

I hope I haven't overlooked anything. It can be rather overwhelming your first time thru to figure this all out.

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Old Jan 31, 2013, 9:17 am
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thanks for quick and detailed reply

so...I checked AS site for rewards and find cheapest points on AS is 40,000 plus minor cash...how does this relate to 12,500 avios each way....what is correlation and what would be cash to be added approximately...this is where I get bogged down


Originally Posted by SanDiego1K
Let me do my best to explain how I research an Alaska booking using Avios.

1) I figure out how many miles each nonstop sector is by using Great Circle Mapper at http://www.gcmap.com/. Put in BLI-HNL to find the mileage. It is 2750 miles.

2) Iberia published a chart showing the Avios award bands. I believe that there has been some shift especially at the lower level. However, this is what I find to use: http://thepointsguy.com/wp-content/u...ward-Chart.png When you look where 2750 miles falls, you'll find it in the band that requires 12,500 Avios one way. Should you want a seat in F, it is 3x that, or 37,500 Avios one way.

3) Look on the AS site for award seats using AS miles. You need to find the lowest level award available in order to book with Avios.

4) Then call BA. You will likely be charged a $30 booking fee for each ticket.

It's really important to understand that Avios charges per individual sector. For example, if you had to fly SEA-SFO-HNL, you'd have to pay for each sector separately.

I hope I haven't overlooked anything. It can be rather overwhelming your first time thru to figure this all out.

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Old Jan 31, 2013, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by testycal
so...I checked AS site for rewards and find cheapest points on AS is 40,000 plus minor cash...how does this relate to 12,500 avios each way....what is correlation and what would be cash to be added approximately...this is where I get bogged down
You have to find super saver availability on AS. Its mileage and money is irrelevant because you will be booking with Avios. But BA will only be able to see award space if AS has super saver seats to book.

Here is the AS chart that shows the various award levels. Note that the super saver level from the mainland to Hawaii is 20K AS points. That means that you have to find availability at this level in order to book with Avios. You can look at award availability for a month on alaskaair.com. When you look at BLI-HNL, you can easily spot the days that have 20K redemption levels. But then you have to see if any of those super saver seats are available on the daily BLI-HNL flight. I looked at May for you. There are super saver seats available on several days. However, most of the days that I checked that availability is via SEA. If you wanted to fly BLI-SEA-HNL, you have to use Avios for BLI-SEA as well as SEA-HNL.

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Old Feb 4, 2013, 5:48 pm
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I was planning to use Avios to do a BLI-HNL or SEA-OGG, and they seem VERY difficult to get on single segment Super Saver - even 11 months in advance after the seats are released. I've been told it's because the Hawaii flights are VERY popular, so they don't release many seats.

I am thinking I may have more luck with getting an Alaska credit card and using bonus points for a flight and then paying one fare and getting the $99 companion fare to save some money on flights to Hawaii.

I've booked YVR-LAX flights on AS using Avios, and availability was good, but still had to book several months in advance. I plan to use for YVR-PDX flights, too - since they are direct and a good value.
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Old Feb 4, 2013, 7:14 pm
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There are actually lots of Hawaii nonstop available at the lowest AS award level. My experience is that there is far more availability though on the SEA-HNL routing, not the least of which is because they fly that route 2 times per day.

Originally Posted by pokee
I was planning to use Avios to do a BLI-HNL or SEA-OGG, and they seem VERY difficult to get on single segment Super Saver - even 11 months in advance after the seats are released. I've been told it's because the Hawaii flights are VERY popular, so they don't release many seats.

I am thinking I may have more luck with getting an Alaska credit card and using bonus points for a flight and then paying one fare and getting the $99 companion fare to save some money on flights to Hawaii.

I've booked YVR-LAX flights on AS using Avios, and availability was good, but still had to book several months in advance. I plan to use for YVR-PDX flights, too - since they are direct and a good value.
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Old Feb 5, 2013, 11:58 am
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Originally Posted by stephem
There are actually lots of Hawaii nonstop available at the lowest AS award level. My experience is that there is far more availability though on the SEA-HNL routing, not the least of which is because they fly that route 2 times per day.
There wasn't for me when I was looking. Maybe it was the time of year I was looking at (late June/Early July) or the fact that I was looking for 5 seats? SEA-HNL was definitely a better bet, but still not a lot of options. SEA-OGG was almost impossible.

In comparison, it is EASY for me to book 5 seats to Florida through Aeroplan on UA for the same time of year, 10 months in advance. I always though Aeroplan was more problematic for availability, but I guess it always just depends on your route.

You'd think I should have the ability to book SEA-OGG 10 months in advance, but NO...not an option. It surprised me, so I asked on this forum why I was having trouble, and that's the answer I got (low volume of single segment, super saver reward seats released to Hawaii, due to popularity of the route).
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Old Feb 5, 2013, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by pokee
There wasn't for me when I was looking. Maybe it was the time of year I was looking at (late June/Early July) or the fact that I was looking for 5 seats? SEA-HNL was definitely a better bet, but still not a lot of options. SEA-OGG was almost impossible.

In comparison, it is EASY for me to book 5 seats to Florida through Aeroplan on UA for the same time of year, 10 months in advance. I always though Aeroplan was more problematic for availability, but I guess it always just depends on your route.

You'd think I should have the ability to book SEA-OGG 10 months in advance, but NO...not an option. It surprised me, so I asked on this forum why I was having trouble, and that's the answer I got (low volume of single segment, super saver reward seats released to Hawaii, due to popularity of the route).
Trying/ expecting to find 5 supersaver seats on the same flight to Hawaii most likely is the problem. Trying to book 2 (or even 3) seats 10 months in advance (outside of prime december dates) is usually no problem.
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Old Feb 5, 2013, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
Trying/ expecting to find 5 supersaver seats on the same flight to Hawaii most likely is the problem. Trying to book 2 (or even 3) seats 10 months in advance (outside of prime december dates) is usually no problem.
Ahhh...that's too bad! Maybe I'll have to keep my AS redemptions for solo tickets for myself, and stick to booking Aeroplan tickets for my family...
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Old Feb 5, 2013, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by pokee
Ahhh...that's too bad! Maybe I'll have to keep my AS redemptions for solo tickets for myself, and stick to booking Aeroplan tickets for my family...
Not saying that you would never be able to find 5, just that that isn't going to be easy to do.
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Old Feb 5, 2013, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
Not saying that you would never be able to find 5, just that that isn't going to be easy to do.
Yeah, I realize that. I'll probably still look, but I have a feeling I'd end up being disappointed. I have a lot of other excellent uses for my AS points.

Also thinking of getting an Alaska MC to facilitate the free rides to Hawaii, and book some on points and pay for some. It seems like a decent way to save some money and still take advantage of flying on AS.
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Old Feb 5, 2013, 3:30 pm
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2, 3 even 4 is realistic on the SEA-HNL route. I don't think AS releases 5 at once though. For that matter, I don't think that many carriers do, let alone on a route to Hawaii.
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Old Feb 5, 2013, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by stephem
2, 3 even 4 is realistic on the SEA-HNL route. I don't think AS releases 5 at once though. For that matter, I don't think that many carriers do, let alone on a route to Hawaii.
Lots of carriers release more than 5 seats at once (at least, in Y). I think I recall hearing AS released 7 super saver seats in Y for most flights, but I could be mistaken. Never had a problem booking 5 seats on UA or AC, and just redeemed BA points on CX, and they showed 7+ seats available for various dates. It certainly makes things much more challenging though, that's for sure!
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