DRAFT - A Guide to BA's 777 fleet

Old Nov 15, 11, 12:29 pm
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DRAFT - A Guide to BA's 777 fleet

BA’s 777 fleet is complex with several flavours of seating layout, IFE and routes flown across the 51 aircraft currently in operation. This thread is designed to inform on the differences and allow any questions that come up to be resolved. Feedback on the content of this thread is most welcome as writing it has made my head spin!

777-200 (A Market, also known as G-ZZZx fleet)

The dogs of the fleet. The original 777 order delivered in 1995 they currently have a poor reputation. These planes can easily be recognised on seating maps as they have 17 First seats and only 24 in World Traveller Plus making then easily identifiable via a seat map. They are typically found plying the shorter long haul routes to the Gulf and the US East Coast.

IFE is old GMIS tape loop system. This is due to be replaced with the new Thales system (a la 777-300) and new first, WT+ and WT will also be fitted.

777-200ER

There are 4 versions of this plane

1. A 4 class plane, which has 14F seats and 6 rows of club from 10-15, the original flying dorm isfound at both Heathrow and Gatwick.

2. A 3 class plane with the front cabin running from rows 1-4 (not full rows), plus 11-12 after Door 2 with a total of 40J seats. These operate solely from Gatwick.

For the plane spotters these have registrations in the range G-VIIx, GE engines and date from the late 90’s. They are fitted with tiny video screens and a tape loop system. They are due to be fitted with new WT, WT+ and Thales AVOD.

3. 12 NF seats - the 13th seat has been lost to the crew rest area Fitted with Rolls Royce engines these have the longest range and typically operate to SYD, SIN, HKG, PVG, MRU and other proper long haul routes from Heathrow only.

4. 3 class plane with the front cabin running from rows 1-5, plus aft of door 2 giving a total of 48J seats. Confusingly they operate from both LHR and LGW so do check carefully when booked ex Gatwick.

These G-YMMx planes are fitted with Rolls Royce Engines and a limited AVOD system. There are no plans to equip these with the new “down the back” cabins or updated AVOD

777-300 (G-STBx range)

Aka the Plastic 747 killer and the newest 777 that BA flies. 4 in service with another 2 to join and 3 further options that have been exercised, these planes have an extended Club cabin with one more row (rows 10-16) and possess NF, New WT, WT and the Thales AVOD IFE. They are divisive planes – some like them, most loathe them though many feel they are better down the back, the worst in Club and fine in First.

All 777 are fitted with the latest iteration of the Club World flat bed.
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Old Nov 15, 11, 12:34 pm
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As I nudged you about this earlier - thanks!

A nerdier mod than you could probably get all the reg data from basource.com ...
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Originally Posted by Swanhunter View Post
777-300 (G-STBx range)
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these planes have an extended Club cabin with one more row (rows 10-16) and possess NF, New WT, WT and the Thales AVOD IFE.
Did you mean to say "New WT+"? And/or "New WT"?
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Old Nov 15, 11, 12:41 pm
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Nice update. Are the 777-236A/B/ER classifications still relevant today?

Here's an extract from the current fleet section of the Ultimate BA Guide...

Boeing 777-236/236ER

The other main longhaul aircraft is the 777-200 series, configured in five different seating plans across three different types. Deliveries of a fourth type, 777-336ER will begin in 2010. The 777s are categorised as follows:

  • Boeing 777-236A (GE90 powered)
    Delivered between 1995 and 1997, they were the first 777s to join the fleet and currently configured 17F/48J/24W/127M. They are chiefly found on the Middle Eastern routes and sometimes East Coast USA/Canada rotations due to having a more limited range than the other 777s in the fleet.
  • Boeing 777-236B (GE90 powered)
    Delivered 1997-99, configured four class 14F/48J/40W/122M and three class 40J/24W/219M
  • Boeing 777-236ER (RR Trent powered)
    Delivered 2000-2002 configured 13F/48J/32W/127M and three class 48J/24W/203M. The 2009-2010 examples have a three class configuration, 48J/24W/203M

All 777-236ER and ten 777-236B aircraft are equipped with large TV screens and AVOD IFE system. The older GE-powered 777-236A/Bs unfortunately have an older (GMIS) IFE system which has 12 channels, much smaller screens (in F/WT+/WT) and a huge, retro-looking 1970s control pad! Sadly, it is pot-luck as to which type of plane you will generally get. Note that on the 777s with smaller screens, First passengers should be able to ask for DVD players and a selection of DVDs in addition to the standard set up.



Boeing 777-336ER

Deliveries of a fourth type, the 777-336ER began in 2010.
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Being picky you could edit the fleet guide, remove DVD player and insert iPad
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Originally Posted by Swanhunter View Post
BAs 777 fleet is complex with several flavours of seating layout, IFE and routes flown across the 51 aircraft currently in operation. This thread is designed to inform on the differences and allow any questions that come up to be resolved. Feedback on the content of this thread is most welcome as writing it has made my head spin!

777-200 (A Market, also known as G-ZZZx fleet)

The dogs of the fleet. The original 777 order delivered in 1995 they currently have a poor reputation. These planes can easily be recognised on seating maps as they have 17 First seats and only 24 in World Traveller Plus making then easily identifiable via a seat map. They are typically found plying the shorter long haul routes to the Gulf and the US East Coast.

IFE is old GMIS tape loop system. This is due to be replaced with the new Thales system (a la 777-300) and new first, WT+ and WT will also be fitted.

I didn't think these were getting the IFE upgrade or new cabins?

777-200ER

There are 4 versions of this plane

1. A 4 class plane, which has 14F seats and 6 rows of club from 10-15, the original flying dorm isfound at both Heathrow and Gatwick.

G-VIIA thru IIH, G-RAES, G-VIIJ thru IIN, G-VIIS, G-VIIU thru G-VIIY
Those up to G-VIIS have the GMIS loop system while those after have AVOD.


2. A 3 class plane with the front cabin running from rows 1-4 (not full rows), plus 11-12 after Door 2 with a total of 40J seats. These operate solely from Gatwick.

For the plane spotters these have registrations in the range G-VIIx, GE engines and date from the late 90s. They are fitted with tiny video screens and a tape loop system. They are due to be fitted with new WT, WT+ and Thales AVOD.

G-VIIO thru IIR & G-VIIT
These all have AVOD.


3. 12 NF seats - the 13th seat has been lost to the crew rest area Fitted with Rolls Royce engines these have the longest range and typically operate to SYD, SIN, HKG, PVG, MRU and other proper long haul routes from Heathrow only.

G-YMMG thru G-YMMP


4. 3 class plane with the front cabin running from rows 1-5, plus aft of door 2 giving a total of 48J seats. Confusingly they operate from both LHR and LGW so do check carefully when booked ex Gatwick.

These G-YMMx planes are fitted with Rolls Royce Engines and a limited AVOD system. There are no plans to equip these with the new down the back cabins or updated AVOD

G-YMMA thru MMF & G-MMR thru MMU


777-300 (G-STBx range)

Aka the Plastic 747 killer and the newest 777 that BA flies. 4 in service with another 2 to join and 3 further options that have been exercised, these planes have an extended Club cabin with one more row (rows 10-16) and possess NF, New WT, WT and the Thales AVOD IFE. They are divisive planes some like them, most loathe them though many feel they are better down the back, the worst in Club and fine in First.

All 777 are fitted with the latest iteration of the Club World flat bed.
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Originally Posted by Swanhunter View Post
2. A 3 class plane with the front cabin running from rows 1-4 (not full rows), plus 11-12 after Door 2 with a total of 40J seats. These operate solely from Gatwick.

For the plane spotters these have registrations in the range G-VIIx, GE engines and date from the late 90’s. They are fitted with tiny video screens and a tape loop system. They are due to be fitted with new WT, WT+ and Thales AVOD.

4. 3 class plane with the front cabin running from rows 1-5, plus aft of door 2 giving a total of 48J seats. Confusingly they operate from both LHR and LGW so do check carefully when booked ex Gatwick.

These G-YMMx planes are fitted with Rolls Royce Engines and a limited AVOD system. There are no plans to equip these with the new “down the back” cabins or updated AVOD
Thanks for the very detailed guide. BA's 777 fleet does seem quite a mess!

One thing that confuses me though is the likelihood of AVOD from LGW. I thought it was highly likely you'd get AVOD if travelling from LGW on a 777 This seems to be backed up by this post which shows that at least in April 2010 the vast majority of flights ex-LGW have AVOD.

Have things changed significantly at LGW since April 2010 which means a non AVOD 777 is far more likely?

I'm not due to travel from LGW soon, but for some reason I'm really curious about this!

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All of the 3-class LGW aircraft have AVOD not the GMIS loop system. Their registrations are G-VIIO thru IIR & G-VIIT.
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One thing that confuses me though is the likelihood of AVOD from LGW. I thought it was highly likely you'd get AVOD if travelling from LGW on a 777 This seems to be backed up by this post which shows that at least in April 2010 the vast majority of flights ex-LGW have AVOD.
Yes, I believe all 40J 3 class 777s have AVOD. I have not flown a non-AVOD BA flight LGW-TPA for 2 years. Speedbird676's update looks accurate to me.
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Originally Posted by Speedbird676 View Post
All of the 3-class LGW aircraft have AVOD not the GMIS loop system. Their registrations are G-VIIO thru IIR & G-VIIT.
Thanks, and thanks also to tlott.

Just for 100% closure for LGW, what's the AVOD status of their 4 class 777s?
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Without getting into the intricacies of Boeing's naming and the change from 777-200IGW to 777-200ER the following designators are often used:

G-ZZZ series are 777-200 or A Market
G-VII series & G-RAES are 777-200IGW
G-YMM series are 777-200ER
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Originally Posted by alwaysbanevervs View Post
Thanks, and thanks also to tlott.

Just for 100% closure for LGW, what's the AVOD status of their 4 class 777s?
I think G-VIIA, B & F are down there currently. All of which have the GMIS loop system.
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Annoyed that YMM* are not getting new WT or WT+, I am down the back of the bus for 11 hours on one of these 777's to MAA and back in June!
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Originally Posted by Swanhunter View Post
BAs 777 fleet is complex with several flavours of seating layout, IFE and routes flown across the 51 aircraft currently in operation. This thread is designed to inform on the differences and allow any questions that come up to be resolved. Feedback on the content of this thread is most welcome as writing it has made my head spin!

777-200 (A Market, also known as G-ZZZx fleet)

The dogs of the fleet. The original 777 order delivered in 1995 they currently have a poor reputation. These planes can easily be recognised on seating maps as they have 17 First seats and only 24 in World Traveller Plus making then easily identifiable via a seat map. They are typically found plying the shorter long haul routes to the Gulf and the US East Coast.

IFE is old GMIS tape loop system. This is due to be replaced with the new Thales system (a la 777-300) and new first, WT+ and WT will also be fitted.

777-200ER

There are 4 versions of this plane

1. A 4 class plane, which has 14F seats and 6 rows of club from 10-15, the original flying dorm isfound at both Heathrow and Gatwick.

2. A 3 class plane with the front cabin running from rows 1-4 (not full rows), plus 11-12 after Door 2 with a total of 40J seats. These operate solely from Gatwick.

For the plane spotters these have registrations in the range G-VIIx, GE engines and date from the late 90s. They are fitted with tiny video screens and a tape loop system. They are due to be fitted with new WT, WT+ and Thales AVOD.

3. 12 NF seats - the 13th seat has been lost to the crew rest area Fitted with Rolls Royce engines these have the longest range and typically operate to SYD, SIN, HKG, PVG, MRU and other proper long haul routes from Heathrow only.

4. 3 class plane with the front cabin running from rows 1-5, plus aft of door 2 giving a total of 48J seats. Confusingly they operate from both LHR and LGW so do check carefully when booked ex Gatwick.

These G-YMMx planes are fitted with Rolls Royce Engines and a limited AVOD system. There are no plans to equip these with the new down the back cabins or updated AVOD

777-300 (G-STBx range)

Aka the Plastic 747 killer and the newest 777 that BA flies. 4 in service with another 2 to join and 3 further options that have been exercised, these planes have an extended Club cabin with one more row (rows 10-16) and possess NF, New WT, WT and the Thales AVOD IFE. They are divisive planes some like them, most loathe them though many feel they are better down the back, the worst in Club and fine in First.

All 777 are fitted with the latest iteration of the Club World flat bed.
Is there any CW seat that makes a difference on the 777-300? Also are the screens a little bigger than normal given it is a newly installed system?
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