Lloyds Avios credit cards
#241
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My application was rejected on the spurous basis that I did not pass their credit check. I am probably in the top 0.001% in the country on the credit risk stakes and I am wondering whether I can make some sort of the Freedom of Information Act request to see how they have evaluated my application. Probably not, but it would be fun to cause them some grief.
Mrs FF99 should have have a very significantly lower credit rating (she has no earned income at all), so I was thinking of applying for a card for her and then getting myself a supplementary card if she passes their "stringent" scoring tests. However, I have just relaised that she does not have an existing Avios account (although she does have an active BAEC account). I suppose I am stuffed !!
Mrs FF99 should have have a very significantly lower credit rating (she has no earned income at all), so I was thinking of applying for a card for her and then getting myself a supplementary card if she passes their "stringent" scoring tests. However, I have just relaised that she does not have an existing Avios account (although she does have an active BAEC account). I suppose I am stuffed !!
I would still check your credit file, just incase something is a wrong that you dont know about. Have you tried to appeal the decision.
You can open an Avios account very quickly and easily.
#242
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I'm now trying to work out whether I can be bothered to phone up to ask or to pursue the application in any other way. The 10x earn is tempting, but I'm not exactly short of Avios.
#243
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1. Unlikely to spend much on their card (ie low income) and so unlikely to earn a huge number of bonus miles
2. Likely to run a balance and thus pay interest
Those of us in the 6-7 figure income bracket are presumably stuffed, although for the heck of it I will try to apply nearer to 28 Feb, and also via Ms Raffles, although she is in 6-figure territory so also likely to fail.
May try to apply via my old Mum who is retired with an annual income of around £8,000, and then get myself a supplementary card on her account - Lloyds will be very surprised when she starts spending her entire credit limit every week and paying down her balance every 7 days .
#244
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I expect to be refused (perfect credit record, relatively high earnings, high spender and always pay off cards every month), but I'm surprised that I have not heard either way yet. I applied as soon as the link started working again on the evening of 14th December. Anyone else been waiting that long for a decision?
#245
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I expect to be refused (perfect credit record, relatively high earnings, high spender and always pay off cards every month), but I'm surprised that I have not heard either way yet. I applied as soon as the link started working again on the evening of 14th December. Anyone else been waiting that long for a decision?
#246
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However why dont people try to open a Lloyds bank account and put through that account some cash. Then apply for the card. You would then have a history with Lloyds.
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I don't think it is about 'history' with Lloyds, it is purely about the sort of person they are targetting. Opening a current account is unlikely to make much difference, unless you think (which may be true) that if you called up and spoke to them they would be more leniant in order to retain your other business. The actual transaction history on your current account is unlikely to make much difference - all that would really show (if you paid your salary in) is that you weren't telling fibs about how much you earn. However, in this case, the key is to claim a LOWER salary than is true, I think .
#248
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I don't think it is about 'history' with Lloyds, it is purely about the sort of person they are targetting. Opening a current account is unlikely to make much difference, unless you think (which may be true) that if you called up and spoke to them they would be more leniant in order to retain your other business. The actual transaction history on your current account is unlikely to make much difference - all that would really show (if you paid your salary in) is that you weren't telling fibs about how much you earn. However, in this case, the key is to claim a LOWER salary than is true, I think .
#249
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Not quite correct.
If your bank is registered to generate faster payments, their payment system should attempt to deliver the payment to the bene bank sort code via the faster payments infrastructure – the bene bank sort code must be registered to accept faster payments and your bank must have updated it’s ISCD file, net result is that sort code 77 29 00 accepts faster payments - now is it account 00000000 or 11111111 ?
If your bank is registered to generate faster payments, their payment system should attempt to deliver the payment to the bene bank sort code via the faster payments infrastructure – the bene bank sort code must be registered to accept faster payments and your bank must have updated it’s ISCD file, net result is that sort code 77 29 00 accepts faster payments - now is it account 00000000 or 11111111 ?
Someone else mentioned BACS payments above. These take three days.
#250
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My application was rejected on the spurous basis that I did not pass their credit check. I am probably in the top 0.001% in the country on the credit risk stakes and I am wondering whether I can make some sort of the Freedom of Information Act request to see how they have evaluated my application. Probably not, but it would be fun to cause them some grief.
Mrs FF99 should have have a very significantly lower credit rating (she has no earned income at all), so I was thinking of applying for a card for her and then getting myself a supplementary card if she passes their "stringent" scoring tests. However, I have just relaised that she does not have an existing Avios account (although she does have an active BAEC account). I suppose I am stuffed !!
Mrs FF99 should have have a very significantly lower credit rating (she has no earned income at all), so I was thinking of applying for a card for her and then getting myself a supplementary card if she passes their "stringent" scoring tests. However, I have just relaised that she does not have an existing Avios account (although she does have an active BAEC account). I suppose I am stuffed !!
You can also appeal the rejection in writing, supplying three months' bank statements, evidence of relevant savings, and so on. These should be taken to a Lloyds branch along with your rejection letter and they will photocopy and certify them and post them off.
#252
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#253
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Well, someone from lloyds phoned me today to apologise for the c**k up and said they would ensure my missing avios where added to my account and as a gesture of good will offered me £75 which I thought was jolly nice and a first for a bank for me!
I will be donating the £75 to charity.
Lloyds not so bad after all.
I will be donating the £75 to charity.
Lloyds not so bad after all.
#254
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We clearly have enough evidence now of the sort of person Lloyds wants, and why they are willing to offer what appears to be a ludicrous number of miles:
1. Unlikely to spend much on their card (ie low income) and so unlikely to earn a huge number of bonus miles
2. Likely to run a balance and thus pay interest
Those of us in the 6-7 figure income bracket are presumably stuffed, although for the heck of it I will try to apply nearer to 28 Feb, and also via Ms Raffles, although she is in 6-figure territory so also likely to fail.
May try to apply via my old Mum who is retired with an annual income of around £8,000, and then get myself a supplementary card on her account - Lloyds will be very surprised when she starts spending her entire credit limit every week and paying down her balance every 7 days .
1. Unlikely to spend much on their card (ie low income) and so unlikely to earn a huge number of bonus miles
2. Likely to run a balance and thus pay interest
Those of us in the 6-7 figure income bracket are presumably stuffed, although for the heck of it I will try to apply nearer to 28 Feb, and also via Ms Raffles, although she is in 6-figure territory so also likely to fail.
May try to apply via my old Mum who is retired with an annual income of around £8,000, and then get myself a supplementary card on her account - Lloyds will be very surprised when she starts spending her entire credit limit every week and paying down her balance every 7 days .
I don't think it is about 'history' with Lloyds, it is purely about the sort of person they are targetting. Opening a current account is unlikely to make much difference, unless you think (which may be true) that if you called up and spoke to them they would be more leniant in order to retain your other business. The actual transaction history on your current account is unlikely to make much difference - all that would really show (if you paid your salary in) is that you weren't telling fibs about how much you earn. However, in this case, the key is to claim a LOWER salary than is true, I think .
So perhaps I am an exception, perhaps the Lloyds history does help, or perhaps Lloyds are very risk averse on a factor I don't have, e.g I don't have a mortgage to pay, maybe everyone rejected does?
I didnt claim to have a 6 figure salary though, nor do I have one.
#255
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Well, someone from lloyds phoned me today to apologise for the c**k up and said they would ensure my missing avios where added to my account and as a gesture of good will offered me £75 which I thought was jolly nice and a first for a bank for me!
I will be donating the £75 to charity.
Lloyds not so bad after all.
I will be donating the £75 to charity.
Lloyds not so bad after all.