Increasing Tier Points on Long haul flights
Oct 19, 2011, 11:54 am
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Your outbound sector will terminate in UK.
Your return sector will originate in UK.
Pour a cold one ... you'll be fine. ^
Oct 19, 2011, 12:03 pm
#47
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Solution is not to start rumours, or post rumours of rumours, and just post facts with a credible link.
You'll get Americans all antsy, and just pi$$ of Brits and Europeans. It's hard enough to keep up with the reality!
However, thank you BA for finally citing the "increased" long-haul TPs. I guess you may be having as much difficulty as the rest of us, as another hastily-drafted 'News Release" drifts down from the top floor and the IT people try to get it on ba.com before we all burst into flames!
You'll get Americans all antsy, and just pi$$ of Brits and Europeans. It's hard enough to keep up with the reality!
However, thank you BA for finally citing the "increased" long-haul TPs. I guess you may be having as much difficulty as the rest of us, as another hastily-drafted 'News Release" drifts down from the top floor and the IT people try to get it on ba.com before we all burst into flames!
Oct 19, 2011, 1:29 pm
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Well that is interesting. Only two CWs on DOH<>NCL will keep me Silver.
This post is interesting, and I can really see where you are coming from on this paulwuk.
But ultimately I think that your analysis is flawed.
I will tell you why.
As an airline BA is not necessarily interested in rewarding the people who buy the highest fares, but rather those who spend the highest % of their willingness to pay.
BA's data will almost show that passengers who buy lower fares do in the main have lower willingness to pay than those who buy higher fares.
So passengers who pay for 3 I class returns may well be spending x%±e of their willingness to pay and those who pay for 3 J class returns may well be spending the same x%±e of their willingness to pay. There will of course be a distribution for x and e.
The reason is that the lower fares are only available for seats that would otherwise go unsold and anyway frequently have advance purchase and other severe conditions attached prohibiting most higher WTP passengers from making this kind of purchase.
The whole purpose of setting differentiated fares like this is to encourage passengers to pay as high a proportion of their WTP as possible.
Now to encourage loyalty amongst these passengers I believe it makes sense to reward equally for F and, J and I, and W and T.
I expect however that this analysis only really applies for F/CW/WTP pax however.
I'm certainly keen on finding the new values. It seems ridiculous that a T return to New York or Tel Aviv for Ł700 earns the same as a W return to Singapore for Ł2,600
However it wouldn't surprise me if it only applies for flights originating in Europe (it was bundled in with the announcement of the tier point increase). Again seems a bit wonky with a BRU-LHR-JFK return in discount club already earning 400tp.
To my mind Silver should require at least 12 segments (1 return every 2 months), and Gold at least 24 segments (1 return a month), making them benefits for frequent flyers.
Either that, or make them based on ticket price -- Ł10k for silver, Ł20k for gold.
I personally value my shiny new gold card as it gives me arrivals lounge access, which is really welcomed after an overnight flight before going to work.
However it wouldn't surprise me if it only applies for flights originating in Europe (it was bundled in with the announcement of the tier point increase). Again seems a bit wonky with a BRU-LHR-JFK return in discount club already earning 400tp.
To my mind Silver should require at least 12 segments (1 return every 2 months), and Gold at least 24 segments (1 return a month), making them benefits for frequent flyers.
Either that, or make them based on ticket price -- Ł10k for silver, Ł20k for gold.
I personally value my shiny new gold card as it gives me arrivals lounge access, which is really welcomed after an overnight flight before going to work.
But ultimately I think that your analysis is flawed.
I will tell you why.
As an airline BA is not necessarily interested in rewarding the people who buy the highest fares, but rather those who spend the highest % of their willingness to pay.
BA's data will almost show that passengers who buy lower fares do in the main have lower willingness to pay than those who buy higher fares.
So passengers who pay for 3 I class returns may well be spending x%±e of their willingness to pay and those who pay for 3 J class returns may well be spending the same x%±e of their willingness to pay. There will of course be a distribution for x and e.
The reason is that the lower fares are only available for seats that would otherwise go unsold and anyway frequently have advance purchase and other severe conditions attached prohibiting most higher WTP passengers from making this kind of purchase.
The whole purpose of setting differentiated fares like this is to encourage passengers to pay as high a proportion of their WTP as possible.
Now to encourage loyalty amongst these passengers I believe it makes sense to reward equally for F and, J and I, and W and T.
I expect however that this analysis only really applies for F/CW/WTP pax however.
Oct 19, 2011, 1:38 pm
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I take it flights already booked and taken after November will qualify for the new TP rates?
If so, MMB hasn't caught up yet. Tut tut!
If so, MMB hasn't caught up yet. Tut tut!
Oct 19, 2011, 1:46 pm
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Nicci has answered this on the other thread - flights TAKEN after 16/11 are at the new levels (regardless of when they were booked) and the calculator on ba.com will be updated after then too. I think from memory when they made the last changes due to the JBA, MMB then uses that updated calculator back-end to show its revised numbers. So I'd expect that to catch up soon after 16/11 too.
Oct 19, 2011, 1:49 pm
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I'd like to see Tier Points increased for UK domestic. I was quoted - but did not pay - Ł501 on ba.com for a return from EDI-LGW next week. That's more than BA are currently quoting for return flights to the US.
Oct 19, 2011, 1:52 pm
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Nicci has answered this on the other thread - flights TAKEN after 16/11 are at the new levels (regardless of when they were booked) and the calculator on ba.com will be updated after then too. I think from memory when they made the last changes due to the JBA, MMB then uses that updated calculator back-end to show its revised numbers. So I'd expect that to catch up soon after 16/11 too.
Oct 19, 2011, 2:14 pm
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Based on my current travel plans I expect to gain 160 tier points for each of runs to Europe.
160 = (60 YYZ - LHR + 20 LHR - MAD/BCN)*2
With the new tier points kicking in I will get 180 per run to europe.
Doesn't really change much in the grand scheme of things
160 = (60 YYZ - LHR + 20 LHR - MAD/BCN)*2
With the new tier points kicking in I will get 180 per run to europe.
Doesn't really change much in the grand scheme of things
Oct 19, 2011, 2:27 pm
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My guess is that in due time, what you'll see is the exact opposite. BA is now reducing TPs for domestic Spanish flights, my guess is that it is only a question of time before they align UK domestic flights on that, especially after BMI disappears for good.
Oct 19, 2011, 2:30 pm
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I'm certainly keen on finding the new values. It seems ridiculous that a T return to New York or Tel Aviv for Ł700 earns the same as a W return to Singapore for Ł2,600
However it wouldn't surprise me if it only applies for flights originating in Europe (it was bundled in with the announcement of the tier point increase). Again seems a bit wonky with a BRU-LHR-JFK return in discount club already earning 400tp.
To my mind Silver should require at least 12 segments (1 return every 2 months), and Gold at least 24 segments (1 return a month), making them benefits for frequent flyers.
Either that, or make them based on ticket price -- Ł10k for silver, Ł20k for gold.
I personally value my shiny new gold card as it gives me arrivals lounge access, which is really welcomed after an overnight flight before going to work.
However it wouldn't surprise me if it only applies for flights originating in Europe (it was bundled in with the announcement of the tier point increase). Again seems a bit wonky with a BRU-LHR-JFK return in discount club already earning 400tp.
To my mind Silver should require at least 12 segments (1 return every 2 months), and Gold at least 24 segments (1 return a month), making them benefits for frequent flyers.
Either that, or make them based on ticket price -- Ł10k for silver, Ł20k for gold.
I personally value my shiny new gold card as it gives me arrivals lounge access, which is really welcomed after an overnight flight before going to work.
Oct 19, 2011, 2:46 pm
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To be fair, the Q&A uses the word "routes" which you are (probably correctly) translating to "sectors". Given that BA have already pulled the missing (**) trick on their "97% of routes" claim on day 1 of this process I remain nervous until we finally see the full, unexpurgated package of changes.
Oct 19, 2011, 2:51 pm
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To be fair, the Q&A uses the word "routes" which you are (probably correctly) translating to "sectors". Given that BA have already pulled the missing (**) trick on their "97% of routes" claim on day 1 of this process I remain nervous until we finally see the full, unexpurgated package of changes.
Oct 19, 2011, 3:03 pm
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I guess I'm just in the wrong place and/or the wrong time.
Oct 19, 2011, 3:10 pm
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Oct 19, 2011, 3:22 pm
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Austin is however "wrong" in the sense that it's an airline market, just like the European one, that BA, with whom I have the most current status plus a chunk of points, are showing every sign of de-emphasizing in favour of trunk routes like LHR-JFK.
I can take a hint!