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Airmiles changes [separate discussion from BAEC changes]

Airmiles changes [separate discussion from BAEC changes]

Old Sep 1, 11, 9:58 am
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Airmiles changes [separate discussion from BAEC changes]

The other thread started by Nicci is very much focused on the changes to the BAEC programme becoming AVIOS. I'd like to have a separate thread to discuss the changes to Airmiles as it becomes AVIOS.

The main impacts I noticed -

- The miles cost has increased on many short haul routes (including domestic), although some destinations have moved to a lower band (e.g Prague).
- There is now a cash cost on Euro redemptions, although it isn't too bad.
- Long haul redemptions now have to pay full taxes and surcharges, a big negative.
- Long haul business class is now much better (previously was triple miles, now only double).

For collectors that kept both airmiles and miles (so had access to affordable long haul premium redemptions through BAEC), this is definitely a turn for the worse.
The main questions I have though are this -
- Will redemptions still be possible in non-award fare buckets. If not this will result in a massive drop in redemption availability for former Airmiles holders.
This would also mean the loss of tier points and miles earning on Airmiles redemptions as well.
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Old Sep 1, 11, 10:16 am
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Well one of your questions is half-answered in the FAQ but with no details at all.

Q: Can I still spend Avios on flights with the same airlines?


A: We're always looking at the airlines we work with to make sure we're giving you the biggest choice of destinations and flights possible, while saving you money on the price of the flight.

Avios will offer flights with British Airways, Iberia, Flybe, Monarch, Air Malta and lots of other airlines. See Avios.com for full details.

Of course, these flights will be subject to availability and to the Avios terms and conditions.
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Old Sep 1, 11, 10:31 am
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Nicci has confirmed in the main thread that you still pay only 1 lot of 27 in return taxes even if your flight includes a UK connection, which will soften the blow for some.

What is not clear is whether you need to pay full taxes if your flights are not on BA/IB.
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Old Sep 1, 11, 10:45 am
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Also:

- one-way awards possible
- no surcharge for departures from the regions (not clear if this is just for BA/IB metal or for all)
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Old Sep 1, 11, 10:55 am
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Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
Nicci has confirmed in the main thread that you still pay only 1 lot of 27 in return taxes even if your flight includes a UK connection
But Nicci speaks only for the BA Executive Club, and spending Avios points held in that programme.

Rules and regs for the AIRMILES Avios programme may be different. Or they may not.

(Not helped by the fact that Avios is both the name of the currency, and the name that one, but not both, of the programmes is changing to )
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Old Sep 1, 11, 12:04 pm
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There is also the removal of the hated 'regional' supplement (which applied even when the flight was direct and shorter than flying from London!) and the ability to fly one-ways and not to have to originate in the UK.

Overall, AirMiles members come out by far the worst from this unification. The mileage rates were drastically increased in the last upheaval some years ago in order to include taxes and fees. Now they are re-introducing taxes and fees while keeping the mileage redemption rates broadly the same. No such increases have been made in the BA Executive Club scheme. Rather, over in that thread BAEC members are rubbing their hands in glee.

This is a further significant value dilution of the AirMiles scheme. I can understand the desire for simplification across three different schemes but Airmiles members have lost out unfairly here. They should have been given a conversion ratio of somewhere around 12 to 15 to 1 instead of 10 to 1 in order to maintain value.
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Old Sep 1, 11, 12:09 pm
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For some of us it's excellent news.

Most of my European travel is planned ie not last minute and I have a stack of Star Alliance miles I use on a cash plus miles for C. So Airmiles tend to sit in my account unused.

The change in the scheme has effectively allowed me to bring my 20k Airmiles into BA where I can use it with an Amex 241. This effectively makes the 20k Airmiles = 400,000 BA miles.

Not bad.
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Old Sep 1, 11, 12:33 pm
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I know very little about the Airmiles product but I'm intrigued about whether they tapped into the same pot of reward seats that BAmiles did or was it totally seperate?
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Old Sep 1, 11, 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by mad_rich View Post
But Nicci speaks only for the BA Executive Club, and spending Avios points held in that programme.

Rules and regs for the AIRMILES Avios programme may be different. Or they may not.
True, but given that avios can be will be transferable instantly from one programme to the other, it would make no sense to have one cost for redemptions in one programme that would differ from the cost of redemption in the other. I can very well imagine that some operations may only be done on one side (eg: you can only MFU via BAEC or, conversely, you can only redeem for non-BA flights via Avios) but the cost of identical operations that can be done on either side will surely be the same.
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Old Sep 1, 11, 12:56 pm
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If the regional supplement has been removed, does this mean that the miles price from say EDI will be the same as from LHR?
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Old Sep 1, 11, 1:05 pm
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W know that Avios will be the currency of both schemes, but I wonder if it will be possible to transfer Avios points between BAEC and new AIRMILES (Avios).
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Old Sep 1, 11, 1:19 pm
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I'm only seeing the negative here:
* LHR to UK Domestic, was 750 Airmiles + 0, now (equiv) 900 Airmiles + 27
* LHR to New York, was 5000 Airmiles + 0, now (equiv) 4000 Airmiles + 300.73
* LHR to SYD, was 1000 Airmiles + 0, now (equiv) 1000 Airmiles + 491.03
(taxes and charges taken from BA.com)

Airmiles's unique selling point was the ability to make economy redemptions and not be hit by excessive YQ or other "taxes and charges". On BA Miles, these were often higher than a full ticket.

What really grates is that they've done nothing to soften the impact of adding taxes / charges to all redemptions on the existing balances of miles. I valued 10 Airmiles as 1 "worth" of travel, meaning a UK Domestic redemption cost 75 "worth" of Airmiles. Exactly the same ticket now costs 117 "worth" of points and fees.

If the total cost of redeeming is now 56% higher, why aren't we getting 15 Avios for each Airmile rather than 10x? Then at least we'd be roughly even on our existing balances (mine saved for over 4 years).

Grrrrrrrr

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Old Sep 1, 11, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by ianwall View Post
I'm only seeing the negative here:
* LHR to UK Domestic, was 750 Airmiles + 0, now (equiv) 900 Airmiles + 27
* LHR to New York, was 5000 Airmiles + 0, now (equiv) 4000 Airmiles + 300.73
* LHR to SYD, was 1000 Airmiles + 0, now (equiv) 1000 Airmiles + 491.03
(taxes and charges taken from BA.com)

Airmiles's unique selling point was the ability to make economy redemptions and not be hit by excessive YQ or other "taxes and charges". On BA Miles, these were often higher than a full ticket.

What really grates is that they've done nothing to soften the impact of adding taxes / charges to all redemptions on the existing balances of miles. I valued 1 Airmile as 1 "worth" of travel, meaning a UK Domestic redemption cost 75 "worth" of Airmiles. Exactly the same ticket now costs 117 "worth" of points and fees.

If the total cost of redeeming is now 56% higher, why aren't we getting 15 Avios for each Airmile rather than 10x? Then at least we'd be roughly even on our existing balances (mine saved for over 4 years).

Grrrrrrrr
Absolutely agree. They have got it wrong. They are probably calculating that we will not be happy but will tolerate the latest changes. This is appalling.
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Old Sep 1, 11, 1:47 pm
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I don't like to be scammed for excessive YQ and other charges - so at what rate can I transfer my AirMiles to AAdvantage?
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Old Sep 1, 11, 2:00 pm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/work...-avios-rebrand

Avios has made the Guardian blog. With their usual comments.

The changes come into effect on 16 November, so expect a rush of businessmen trying to cash in their trusty AirMiles before then.
I am surprised they didnt say bankers.
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