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An “official POUG” is defined (for the purposes of this wiki) as the rate that appears in red on the MMB/BA app. It is NOT the rate offered at the airport (please see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ng-thread.html), or the rate offered when you click on the “Upgrade my class of travel with money” link from within MMB, or the “Upgrade to the next available cabin” blue/grey banner in the app.

All POUGs earn full TPs and Avios for the upgraded cabin, subject to the original booking being paid for with cash.
POUGs *ARE* offered on Hand-Baggage Only fares, if available
POUGs only become available after 48 hours of making your booking, until any time up to, and including OLCI. After being checked in you will not be offered a POUG.
POUGs do not seem to become available for travel agent bookings, until 2-3 days before departure (YMMV)
POUGs cannot be requested from Service Centres, except that occasionally BA.com will not proceed with a POUG online and display a message inviting you to call the Service Centre to complete the transaction.
After a POUG has been purchased, the ticket become non changeable and non refundable, apart from government taxes.

Please add to this list as required, and include the month/year when the POUG is offered to you.

LON to Europe from ET to CE (typically £59-£69 for Band 1, £69-£79 for Band 2, £79-£89 for Band 3 and £89-£99 for Band 4):

ACE - £105
AGP – £79 (£99/€119 Dec 2014)
AMS - £69 / £56 (£99 from HBO in Nov 2014)
ATH - £99 (£109 from HBO in Oct 2014)
ARN – £72
BCN – £79 (£89 for Silver/Bronze and £114 for HBO Blue Dec 2014 - same fight, two bookings) // Blue Feb 2015 - LGW - BCN - £89 / BCN to LHR £115)
BGO – £64 (£79 for HBO in SEP2014)
BRI - £119 / €144 (Dec 2014)
BRU - £69
BSL - CHF 85 for BSL-LHR (£55 at then exchange rate) (CHF120 in Dec 2014)
BUD - £79 (£89 and £105 Dec 2014)
CDG - £69 (£75 Dec 2014; CDG-LHR €115 Dec 2014)
CMF - £69 (Dec 2014)
CPH - £79 (£129 from HBO Nov 2014)
CTA - £119/€144 (both Dec 2014)
DBV – £79
DUB – £69/£56 (£99 from HBO Nov 2014, £80 Dec 2014)
DUS – £69
FCO - £170 (Dec 14)
FRA – £69
GIB - £72 (£140 Dec 14)
GOT – £79
GVA - £79/£89
HAJ – £69
HAM – £69
HEL – £89
INN – £89 out / €109 back (Dec 14)
IST – £89
JER – £69
KBP - £80 / USD 129 (BA is not currently accepting Ukrainian currency)
LCA – £89 (£190 Dec 2014 from LCA; separately £134 to LCA Dec 2014)
LIN – £79
LIS – £79 (£119 offered Nov 14, £99 and £145 Dec 14)
LUX - £69
MAD - £79
MAH - £69
MUC - £79
MXP - £119 (€89 MXP - LHR)
NCE - £140 (each way, 21/DEC/14)
ORY - £69
OSL - £79 (£64/640 NOK reported)
OTP - £79/€89
PMI - £69 (Dec 2014)
PRG – £79
PSA - £79
SZG - £114 (Nov 2015)
SOF - £89
STR – £69
TIA – £89 (£99 offered Dec 14 for TIA-LGW) (€119 TIA-LGW Dec 2014)
TRN – £79
TXL – £69
VCE – £79
VIE – £79 [£129 as of Nov14! GBP99 LHR-VIE + GBP99 VIE-LHR Nov14]
VRN- €139 (~£110) Nov 2014 - £89 / €109 Dec 2014
WAW – £69 (£110 Dec 14)
ZAG – £79
ZRH – £79 (£87 (CHF135) for ZRH-LHR): LCY-ZRH + v.v. £69 (offered 11/14)

LON to North America (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):

ATL - WTP £189
BOS – WTP £189 (mid-2014) £219 (December 2014)
IAD - WTP £157
JFK/EWR – WTP £189 (can be as low as £133) / CW £443 / F £527 (F £599 02/08)
LAS - WTP £180
LAX – WTP £229 / CW £599 (CW £548 Jan 2015)
MCO– WTP £180
MEX – F £447/£525 / £229 WT-WTP (November 28 2015)/ 4640 MXN WT-WTP (December 14 2015)
MIA – WTP £209 / CW £525
ORD – WTP £171 / CW £525 / F £499
PHL – WTP £189
SAN – CW £599
SEA – WTP £199
SFO – WTP £170
YYZ – WTP £171 (return leg) / CW £425 / F £499
YYC - WTP £134
YVR – WTP £175 / CW £350

LON to South America (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):

EZE – WTP £199
GRU – WTP £209 / F £499 / WT to CW £699
GIG - WT to CW £699

LON to Asia (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):

BKK - WTP £126-£140 / CW £549 / F £
BOM - WTP £ / CW £450 / F £
DEL - F £499, subsequently reduced to £400
HKG – WTP £199 (offered £172 for a Nov 2014 flight) / CW £599 / F £599
NRT - WTP £199 / CW £ / F £525
ICN - CW £499
SIN - WTP SGD$320

LON to Australia and Oceania (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):

SYD – WTP £170 / CW £399

LON to Africa & Middle East (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):

AUH – F £499
CAI - WTP £121
DXB – WTP £179 / F £499
EBB - WTP £142
JNB - WTP £209
NBO - WTP £189

Non-LON routes (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):

SYD-SIN – F £465
AMS-LGW - CE €79
BCN-LHR - CE £64
BRU-LHR - CE £105 (12.2014)
CDG-LHR - CE €79
DUB-LHR - CE €109 (£85.70-ish) from HBO booked 05.12.14, offered 08.12.14
BOM-LHR - F cINR40,000 (c£395)
JNB-LHR WTP - £189
TLV-LHR - F $600 (c£370)

Pro-active Upgrade cost tracking and questions thread

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Dec 9, 2011, 4:48 am

#661

londonhotelier101

Join Date: Nov 2011

Location: London

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Globaliser

Welcome to FT, londonhotelier101!There is no distinction between the booking classes from which one can upgrade, if there is award availability.

However, if you want to MFU from WT to WT+, you can only ever MFU from Y, B and H booking classes (the three highest in WT) anyway, in all circumstances. You can never MFU a deep discount WT ticket - it's not allowed under the MFU rules.

Thanks very much.

Trying to get my head around all these booking classes as am very new to LH flying. It seems, in that case, the best way to use avios really would be to book WT+ and then MFU, if available, from there to CW.

Dec 9, 2011, 4:58 am

#662

Globaliser

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Quote:

Originally Posted by londonhotelier101

Trying to get my head around all these booking classes as am very new to LH flying. It seems, in that case, the best way to use avios really would be to book WT+ and then MFU, if available, from there to CW.

You will find a lot of people here agreeing with you that this is the absolute best value use of Avios!

Dec 9, 2011, 6:51 am

#663

stifle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by londonhotelier101

When you think of booking classes, the easiest way to think of it is to consider the four cabin classes (First, Club World, World Traveller Plus, and World Traveller) as divided into several "sub-classes", with a sliding scale from cheapest to most expensive seats. On flights that are expected to be busy, BA will assign more "expensive" seats and fewer "cheap" seats, and vice-versa. Y, B, or H class World Traveller seats will generally be more expensive than T class World Traveller Plus seats, so Upgradiosing (the new unofficial name for MFUing) from WT to WT+ is rather pointless.

Dec 10, 2011, 6:22 am

#664

COOLIO

Join Date: Jun 2005

Posts: 932

I have a LGW-AMS coming up and upgrade options are more than a straight CE ticket. Yet there seems very open availability on the flight for CE. Am I likely to only see an offer at OLCI or should I not OLCI and ask at the airport?

Dec 10, 2011, 7:28 am

#665

rossmacd

Join Date: Jan 2010

Posts: 7,464

Quote:

Originally Posted by COOLIO

You may or may not. No one one this board (apart from BA ground/ticketing staff!) will be able to tell you definitely one way or another.

In my experience, you are likely to get an offer of a POUG. If not, you can OLCI and still ask at the airport (makes sure you get your preferred ET seat if there is no availability when you reach the LGW ticket desk).

Dec 10, 2011, 7:57 am

#666

kat1984

Join Date: Dec 2011

Location: Lincoln, UK

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LHR - JFK flight

Hi,

We are due to fly to JFK from LHR on 19/12/11 in WT (BA175). I booked a holiday in NY through ba.com. I would like to upgrade to WT+ using cash however the upgrade option is greyed out in MMB.

Is upgrading not possible on every flight? Will this option be available closer to departure?

Thanks

PS: this is a great forum - very helpful threads re collecting avios.^

Dec 10, 2011, 8:02 am

#667

rossmacd

Join Date: Jan 2010

Posts: 7,464

Quote:

Originally Posted by kat1984

Welcome to FT ^

As you have booked a BA Holiday (flight + hotel, or flight + car), you are not likely to be offer the pro-active upgrade online. I would call BA and ask if there are any £179 upgrades available for your particular flight.

If not, wait until you arrive at JFK and ask at the ticket desk.

Not every flight has the pro-active offer - depends on a deeply guarded secret the BA Revenue Management team hold!

Dec 10, 2011, 8:28 am

#668

kat1984

Join Date: Dec 2011

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Thanks for replying.

I gave BA a call and they quoted me £229 for the upgrade (WT to WT+) + £100 for changing cabin/ticket (£329).

Is this normal? Should I hold out hoping that it will fall to the £179 you mentioned? I appreciate it is probably a busy flight and the cost may go up.

Thanks^

Dec 10, 2011, 8:33 am

#669

rossmacd

Join Date: Jan 2010

Posts: 7,464

No worries at all!

That sounds like a non-pro-active upgrade

because you are being charged the change fee. It is entirely up to you if you go for it, and really want to travel in WT+.

Personally, I would not be able to justify the £329 to move from WT to WT+ for such a short flight. I would hold out and maybe enquire at the airport to see if there is a cheaper upgrade available.

It is your call if you can afford the extra cash to justify the cost for flying WT+ instead of WT. Let us know what you decide

Dec 10, 2011, 9:08 am

#670

Dreaming of WT+

Join Date: Feb 2011

Posts: 277

Quote:

Originally Posted by kat1984

Hi Kat

Is the quote one way or return?

I booked my holiday with Ba.com I phoned up to get a quote for WT to WT+ and there were 3 of us they said they could waive 2 of the change fees.

I ended up getting a great deal to upgrade to club (I presume due to the 2012 offer it was lower than the WT+ price I was quoted) so took that instead.

I'd say check the price difference between that and club too, and also ask whether they can do anything with the change fee.

I did a proactive upgrade on my last trip in April, I think it was £300 return, there were no upgrade options available at the airport.

Also you could check how many seats have been booked in WT+ (if you haven't already) and they have ones you want, as I personally wouldn't want to upgrade without a decent option of seats if poss.

Last edited by Dreaming of WT+; Dec 10, 2011 at 9:14 am

Dec 10, 2011, 9:13 am

#671

kat1984

Join Date: Dec 2011

Location: Lincoln, UK

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Hi,

Its the one way price for the upgrade. I did ask for the CW price as well on the off chance but was quoted £5110

I think I will probably take the earlier advice of trying at the airport.

Thanks

Dec 10, 2011, 9:17 am

#672

Dreaming of WT+

Join Date: Feb 2011

Posts: 277

Quote:

Originally Posted by kat1984

Hi,

Its the one way price for the upgrade. I did ask for the CW price as well on the off chance but was quoted £5110

I think I will probably take the earlier advice of trying at the airport.

Thanks

Yikes! That is steep.

You can always check again via phone closer to the time, hope you get lucky!

Dec 10, 2011, 3:32 pm

#673

berlinflyer83

Join Date: Sep 2011

Location: BOS

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Ended up upgrading straight from WT (M) to CW on LHR-DFW this morning for £499. Not a bad deal, I think. They also offered WT+ for £179, but it was only the middle seats that were available.

First time flying CW, very nice experience.

Edit: I should mention, I asked at the airport, and it took them a while to get it right. MMB never showed anything because it was an AA codeshare. I called BA to see if I could do the same for my return flight ORD-LHR, and they said no, either at the airport or through AA. And also, no additional AA miles for this. Very annoying, since it was not cheap and my boarding pass shows as if it's just paid J.

Last edited by berlinflyer83; Dec 11, 2011 at 12:13 pm

Dec 12, 2011, 3:27 am

#674

Slipless

Join Date: Jan 2011

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Since my booking was with my companies travel agent I could not upgrade in advance. So I asked about availability of the upgrades from WT to CW on SEA-LHR route at the airport (December 2nd). The cost was $900 USD, however they needed to check on availability of CW catering. While I was thinking on whether to jump on this offer, the agent got a response on her walkie that the catering was not available making this decision moot. Oh well...

Dec 12, 2011, 9:44 am

#675

silonic

Join Date: Nov 2011

Location: Netherlands

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We're flying in February from LGW to MLE in WT+ on our honeymoon. I can see there are still some available seats in CW, however due to buying a T ticket, the upgrade is way too much to pay with cash.

Does anyone know if they offer pro-active offers on this route?

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