Aug 16, 2013, 8:51 am
Last edit by: FinalBoarding
An “official POUG” is defined (for the purposes of this wiki) as the rate that appears in red on the MMB/BA app. It is NOT the rate offered at the airport (please see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ng-thread.html), or the rate offered when you click on the “Upgrade my class of travel with money” link from within MMB, or the “Upgrade to the next available cabin” blue/grey banner in the app.
Please add to this list as required, and include the month/year when the POUG is offered to you.
LON to Europe from ET to CE (typically £59-£69 for Band 1, £69-£79 for Band 2, £79-£89 for Band 3 and £89-£99 for Band 4):
LON to North America (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
LON to South America (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
LON to Asia (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
LON to Australia and Oceania (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
LON to Africa & Middle East (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
Non-LON routes (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- All POUGs earn full TPs and Avios for the upgraded cabin, subject to the original booking being paid for with cash.
- POUGs *ARE* offered on Hand-Baggage Only fares, if available
- POUGs only become available after 48 hours of making your booking, until any time up to, and including OLCI. After being checked in you will not be offered a POUG.
- POUGs do not seem to become available for travel agent bookings, until 2-3 days before departure (YMMV)
- POUGs cannot be requested from Service Centres, except that occasionally BA.com will not proceed with a POUG online and display a message inviting you to call the Service Centre to complete the transaction.
- After a POUG has been purchased, the ticket become non changeable and non refundable, apart from government taxes.
Please add to this list as required, and include the month/year when the POUG is offered to you.
LON to Europe from ET to CE (typically £59-£69 for Band 1, £69-£79 for Band 2, £79-£89 for Band 3 and £89-£99 for Band 4):
- ACE - £105
- AGP – £79 (£99/€119 Dec 2014)
- AMS - £69 / £56 (£99 from HBO in Nov 2014)
- ATH - £99 (£109 from HBO in Oct 2014)
- ARN – £72
- BCN – £79 (£89 for Silver/Bronze and £114 for HBO Blue Dec 2014 - same fight, two bookings) // Blue Feb 2015 - LGW - BCN - £89 / BCN to LHR £115)
- BGO – £64 (£79 for HBO in SEP2014)
- BRI - £119 / €144 (Dec 2014)
- BRU - £69
- BSL - CHF 85 for BSL-LHR (£55 at then exchange rate) (CHF120 in Dec 2014)
- BUD - £79 (£89 and £105 Dec 2014)
- CDG - £69 (£75 Dec 2014; CDG-LHR €115 Dec 2014)
- CMF - £69 (Dec 2014)
- CPH - £79 (£129 from HBO Nov 2014)
- CTA - £119/€144 (both Dec 2014)
- DBV – £79
- DUB – £69/£56 (£99 from HBO Nov 2014, £80 Dec 2014)
- DUS – £69
- FCO - £170 (Dec 14)
- FRA – £69
- GIB - £72 (£140 Dec 14)
- GOT – £79
- GVA - £79/£89
- HAJ – £69
- HAM – £69
- HEL – £89
- INN – £89 out / €109 back (Dec 14)
- IST – £89
- JER – £69
- KBP - £80 / USD 129 (BA is not currently accepting Ukrainian currency)
- LCA – £89 (£190 Dec 2014 from LCA; separately £134 to LCA Dec 2014)
- LIN – £79
- LIS – £79 (£119 offered Nov 14, £99 and £145 Dec 14)
- LUX - £69
- MAD - £79
- MAH - £69
- MUC - £79
- MXP - £119 (€89 MXP - LHR)
- NCE - £140 (each way, 21/DEC/14)
- ORY - £69
- OSL - £79 (£64/640 NOK reported)
- OTP - £79/€89
- PMI - £69 (Dec 2014)
- PRG – £79
- PSA - £79
- SZG - £114 (Nov 2015)
- SOF - £89
- STR – £69
- TIA – £89 (£99 offered Dec 14 for TIA-LGW) (€119 TIA-LGW Dec 2014)
- TRN – £79
- TXL – £69
- VCE – £79
- VIE – £79 [£129 as of Nov14! GBP99 LHR-VIE + GBP99 VIE-LHR Nov14]
- VRN- €139 (~£110) Nov 2014 - £89 / €109 Dec 2014
- WAW – £69 (£110 Dec 14)
- ZAG – £79
- ZRH – £79 (£87 (CHF135) for ZRH-LHR): LCY-ZRH + v.v. £69 (offered 11/14)
LON to North America (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- ATL - WTP £189
- BOS – WTP £189 (mid-2014) £219 (December 2014)
- IAD - WTP £157
- JFK/EWR – WTP £189 (can be as low as £133) / CW £443 / F £527 (F £599 02/08)
- LAS - WTP £180
- LAX – WTP £229 / CW £599 (CW £548 Jan 2015)
- MCO– WTP £180
- MEX – F £447/£525 / £229 WT-WTP (November 28 2015)/ 4640 MXN WT-WTP (December 14 2015)
- MIA – WTP £209 / CW £525
- ORD – WTP £171 / CW £525 / F £499
- PHL – WTP £189
- SAN – CW £599
- SEA – WTP £199
- SFO – WTP £170
- YYZ – WTP £171 (return leg) / CW £425 / F £499
- YYC - WTP £134
- YVR – WTP £175 / CW £350
LON to South America (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- EZE – WTP £199
- GRU – WTP £209 / F £499 / WT to CW £699
- GIG - WT to CW £699
LON to Asia (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- BKK - WTP £126-£140 / CW £549 / F £
- BOM - WTP £ / CW £450 / F £
- DEL - F £499, subsequently reduced to £400
- HKG – WTP £199 (offered £172 for a Nov 2014 flight) / CW £599 / F £599
- NRT - WTP £199 / CW £ / F £525
- ICN - CW £499
- SIN - WTP SGD$320
LON to Australia and Oceania (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- SYD – WTP £170 / CW £399
LON to Africa & Middle East (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- AUH – F £499
- CAI - WTP £121
- DXB – WTP £179 / F £499
- EBB - WTP £142
- JNB - WTP £209
- NBO - WTP £189
Non-LON routes (price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
- SYD-SIN – F £465
- AMS-LGW - CE €79
- BCN-LHR - CE £64
- BRU-LHR - CE £105 (12.2014)
- CDG-LHR - CE €79
- DUB-LHR - CE €109 (£85.70-ish) from HBO booked 05.12.14, offered 08.12.14
- BOM-LHR - F cINR40,000 (c£395)
- JNB-LHR WTP - £189
- TLV-LHR - F $600 (c£370)
Pro-active Upgrade cost tracking and questions thread
Dec 14, 2014, 10:41 am
#3676
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Spalding
Programs: BA Bronze,Accor.Flightdiary.net/liamvad
Posts: 667
I booked a return to HEL for March a few weeks back,but as yet no offer of a POUG has appeared,have I missed out,or could one still be on the horizon???
Dec 14, 2014, 11:32 am
#3677
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bridport, Dorset
Programs: Mucci, BA Bronze, Hilton Gold
Posts: 2,129
I flew back in CE from Granada on one of these planes. Not only was I the only person in the cabin (10 seats to myself) but the service was amazing. However the seats are, indeed, the same as Y.
My brother flew back from PMI on that plane too and said the purser was working hard to keep everyone happy as there were about 8 rows full of Club pax, and they were drinking the bar dry!
My brother flew back from PMI on that plane too and said the purser was working hard to keep everyone happy as there were about 8 rows full of Club pax, and they were drinking the bar dry!
I know! What am I saying?
Dec 14, 2014, 12:37 pm
#3678
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA Gold, SQ Gold, KQ Platinum, IHG Diamond Ambassador, Hilton Gold, Marriott Silver, Accor Silver
Posts: 16,347
Hard to say. A POUG may be offered at any time up to and including OLCI, but it's all subject to availability and if you are a serial POUGer, then you may not be offered one at all.
Dec 14, 2014, 12:52 pm
#3679
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
Dec 14, 2014, 1:06 pm
#3680
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Spalding
Programs: BA Bronze,Accor.Flightdiary.net/liamvad
Posts: 667
Dec 14, 2014, 3:38 pm
#3681
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bridport, Dorset
Programs: Mucci, BA Bronze, Hilton Gold
Posts: 2,129
A super flight in Y, on a super Embraer E190 (my favourite aircraft) and FIVE (count 'em) miniatures of G&T. Hehe. Hic.
Dec 14, 2014, 6:02 pm
#3682
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: UK
Programs: I go wherever the content takes me.
Posts: 5,698
Otherwise, if you want to travel in Club, pay the fare...don't leave yourself to the mercy of a revenue algorithm.
POUGs are there for people who didn't intend to travel in Club to go "Ooh! What's this?" *click* - that's how my first Club flight happened.
Dec 14, 2014, 6:29 pm
#3683
Join Date: Dec 2014
Programs: BAEC (although I might just cut up the card)
Posts: 338
It vanished from the App several releases/months ago, at least on Android, not that it worked terribly reliably for me. You can sort of get to it, by going to seating and then going back via Manage My Booking at the top, Additional Services - then off to the Web rather than App application.
I had the upgrade button still available (albeit with the star and not giving a special offer) on the December departure right up until the end of last week.
However, when I booked the April/May flights, the icon had never been shown at all for those flights on the phone (despite them having "discounted" fares available).
There was another upgrade at the end of last week and after that it completely disappeared even for the December booking.
Really not sure why it happened that way. But, for sure it's totally gone now.
Dec 14, 2014, 6:41 pm
#3684
Join Date: Dec 2014
Programs: BAEC (although I might just cut up the card)
Posts: 338
Have you checked if there is I class availability for the flight? POUGs usually only appear where there are plenty of seats still left to be sold.
Otherwise, if you want to travel in Club, pay the fare...don't leave yourself to the mercy of a revenue algorithm.
POUGs are there for people who didn't intend to travel in Club to go "Ooh! What's this?" *click* - that's how my first Club flight happened.
Otherwise, if you want to travel in Club, pay the fare...don't leave yourself to the mercy of a revenue algorithm.
POUGs are there for people who didn't intend to travel in Club to go "Ooh! What's this?" *click* - that's how my first Club flight happened.
But, there are (at least in my exerience) times they are more likely to appear. I think at certain times in the cycle leading up to take-off they are releasing more, as the chance of them being bought full price diminishes.
The below is just from my limited experience. They can and do appear at any time (due to expansion of club rows, or people cancelling tickets). These are the times I've often seen the POUG appear. Enough for me to see it as a bit of a pattern. It can happen at any time of the day (but usually some time in the morning).
4 weeks before departure.
2 weeks before departure.
1 week before departure.
3 days before departure (the same day blocked seats are released, but usually not at the same time).
on the day of departure itself.
Take a note of the last one. It's only really useful if you have status enough to pre-book seats (allowing you to delay actual check in until the day itself). But very very often on the LHR-MUC-LHR route I saw this happen on the day of departure.
Dec 15, 2014, 12:39 am
#3685
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold / OnBusiness, SPG Lifetime Plat 100, AmEx Centurion & BAPP, Superking Westin Heavenly Bed :)
Posts: 1,142
More weird pricing... Have not been shown any POUGs for my HAM trip since I booked it weeks ago. Today, I just checked in for the outbound, and suddenly, a POUG appeared for the return inbound.
£80.
Never seen that pricing before! It's often £69, sometimes £54 or £56 (I forget), but never seen £80 before!
I guess they really are letting a machine randomise all this... Regardless, not POUG'ing anything until Jan 8th 2015 anyway.
£80.
Never seen that pricing before! It's often £69, sometimes £54 or £56 (I forget), but never seen £80 before!
I guess they really are letting a machine randomise all this... Regardless, not POUG'ing anything until Jan 8th 2015 anyway.
Dec 15, 2014, 12:41 am
#3686
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold / OnBusiness, SPG Lifetime Plat 100, AmEx Centurion & BAPP, Superking Westin Heavenly Bed :)
Posts: 1,142
Also just wanted to point out that I can't remember the last time I saw in a POUG in the iOS app... The above mentioned one only appears in MMB on their website, not in the app. Very odd.
So if you're looking for POUG's - do check at ba.com and don't solely rely on the app any more.
So if you're looking for POUG's - do check at ba.com and don't solely rely on the app any more.
Dec 15, 2014, 4:00 am
#3687
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Kent, UK
Programs: BA Gold, SPG Platinum, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 3,809
MUC has gone up. I was offered it online yesterday for £110. Previously it's been only £79.
Dec 16, 2014, 8:56 am
#3688
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: UK
Programs: IC Hotels Spire, BA Gold
Posts: 8,667
LHR-VIE-LHR now pricing at £130 each way for a POUG upgrade for early January departure, always used to be £89 for as long back as I can remember.
So given so much has been enhanced away in CE, particularly the extra legroom it it a resounding NO at these prices BA!! Wouldn't be so bad if it was a marginal increase of say £5 but this is just short of a 50% increase!
Not a chance at these prices!
So given so much has been enhanced away in CE, particularly the extra legroom it it a resounding NO at these prices BA!! Wouldn't be so bad if it was a marginal increase of say £5 but this is just short of a 50% increase!
Not a chance at these prices!
Dec 16, 2014, 9:03 am
#3689
Join Date: Dec 2014
Programs: BAEC (although I might just cut up the card)
Posts: 338
LHR-VIE-LHR now pricing at £130 each way for a POUG upgrade for early January departure, always used to be £89 for as long back as I can remember.
So given so much has been enhanced away in CE, particularly the extra legroom it it a resounding NO at these prices BA!! Wouldn't be so bad if it was a marginal increase of say £5 but this is just short of a 50% increase!
Not a chance at these prices!
So given so much has been enhanced away in CE, particularly the extra legroom it it a resounding NO at these prices BA!! Wouldn't be so bad if it was a marginal increase of say £5 but this is just short of a 50% increase!
Not a chance at these prices!
Dec 16, 2014, 9:54 am
#3690
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: UK
Programs: IC Hotels Spire, BA Gold
Posts: 8,667
Am just wondering....does anyone think there is a link between the POUG price quoted and the original Y ticket price?
For example, two posts ago I mentioned that LHR-VIE-LHR was coming in at £130 each way when it always used to be £89 for as long as I can remember. But I normally am paying about £300 return for the base ticket in Y but for my upcoming early January flight I have paid about £210 return.
So wondering if there has started to be some linkage, ie, the price this time at £130 is because my original Y ticket was cheaper than normal?
For example, two posts ago I mentioned that LHR-VIE-LHR was coming in at £130 each way when it always used to be £89 for as long as I can remember. But I normally am paying about £300 return for the base ticket in Y but for my upcoming early January flight I have paid about £210 return.
So wondering if there has started to be some linkage, ie, the price this time at £130 is because my original Y ticket was cheaper than normal?