Master Thread: UNITE Ballot result is YES to strike action - general discussion
Mar 23, 10, 3:35 pm
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My apologies for the lack of precision in my post. By "they" I was referring to Unite/BASSA leadership.
That being said, I'll also offer the opinion that the leadership of Unite/BASSA are acting as agents on behalf of their members. If there members disagree with their actions they have the ability to voice objection or withdraw from membership and terminate the relationship.
After months of watching mistake after mistake being made by Unite/BASSA any union member who states "I was just a victim of my leadership" is putting forth a pretty weak argument. Its not as if they didn't have plenty of notice of the incompentency of their leaders.
Mar 23, 10, 3:39 pm
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Jimmie76:
My apologies for the lack of precision in my post. By "they" I was referring to Unite/BASSA leadership.
That being said, I'll also offer the opinion that the leadership of Unite/BASSA are acting as agents on behalf of their members. If there members disagree with their actions they have the ability to voice objection or withdraw from membership and terminate the relationship.
After months of watching mistake after mistake being made by Unite/BASSA any union member who states "I was just a victim of my leadership" is putting forth a pretty weak argument. Its not as if they didn't have plenty of notice of the incompentency of their leaders.
My apologies for the lack of precision in my post. By "they" I was referring to Unite/BASSA leadership.
That being said, I'll also offer the opinion that the leadership of Unite/BASSA are acting as agents on behalf of their members. If there members disagree with their actions they have the ability to voice objection or withdraw from membership and terminate the relationship.
After months of watching mistake after mistake being made by Unite/BASSA any union member who states "I was just a victim of my leadership" is putting forth a pretty weak argument. Its not as if they didn't have plenty of notice of the incompentency of their leaders.
Mar 23, 10, 3:42 pm
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Jimmie76:
lol...I think the proof of that statement is I have yet to see a Unite/BASSA member speak of the fantastic representation they have received. Most statements start with "I know they've made mistakes, but...."
To be fair I said their leadership was inept as far back as Saturday night, and I'm sticking to my guns on this.
Mar 23, 10, 3:46 pm
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WW has to stick to his guns. Removal of staff travel benefit is non-negotiable. Otherwise, it will be a slap in the face to the courageous staff who turned up for work during the strike.
Mar 23, 10, 3:51 pm
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I actually said it here
Originally Posted by Jimmie76
But you could argue that they are only on strike thanks to the ineptitude of their union, who have done them few favours.
Originally Posted by NWAFA
No, I couldn't. I don't know if their union is inept. Apparently, most of the Cabin Attendants believe in their union. The last I heard, WW was only able to operate approximately 53% of BA's Saturdays departures. And this is only day one.
Originally Posted by Jimmie76
Alright I will, they're inept, even the British Government aren't that stupid and that's saying something.
Yes it's day one and BA managed to fly so many flights (is that a union figure you quoted) because so many staff, both crew, volunteers and other staff went to work today. They underestimated the numbers who they thought would come into work and are running more services tomorrow as a result.
You'll have to forgive the long pauses but I've given up reading the Union fantasy fiction and am watching some fantasy fiction on television.
Update: It would appear that the union were spoiling for a fight all along (thanks to poorbird for the heads up)
Yes it's day one and BA managed to fly so many flights (is that a union figure you quoted) because so many staff, both crew, volunteers and other staff went to work today. They underestimated the numbers who they thought would come into work and are running more services tomorrow as a result.
You'll have to forgive the long pauses but I've given up reading the Union fantasy fiction and am watching some fantasy fiction on television.
Update: It would appear that the union were spoiling for a fight all along (thanks to poorbird for the heads up)
Mar 23, 10, 3:53 pm
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Mar 23, 10, 4:01 pm
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It's regrettable that it had to come to this but I imagine this will now strongly focus the minds of the crew rostered for this weekend that were not rostered for last weekend. I expect announcements of even more cancelled flights being reintroduced in the coming days....
Mar 23, 10, 4:11 pm
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I find it interesting that ST is being withdrawn from 14Apr10, two weeks into the new ST year, not 'immediately' or '01Apr10' but 14Apr10 - which'll give strikers a two week window to make use of their last annual concession, available from 01Apr10.
Maybe it'll take three weeks to update everyone's profile or are BA merely giving striking commuters a chance to make alternative arrangements?
Maybe it'll take three weeks to update everyone's profile or are BA merely giving striking commuters a chance to make alternative arrangements?
Mar 23, 10, 4:15 pm
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I find it interesting that ST is being withdrawn from 14Apr10, two weeks into the new ST year, not 'immediately' or '01Apr10' but 14Apr10 - which'll give strikers a two week window to make use of their last annual concession, available from 01Apr10.
Maybe it'll take three weeks to update everyone's profile or are BA merely giving striking commuters a chance to make alternative arrangements?
Maybe it'll take three weeks to update everyone's profile or are BA merely giving striking commuters a chance to make alternative arrangements?
Mar 23, 10, 4:18 pm
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JAXBA:
My best guess would be that you are correct with this portion of your statement.
Those Cabin Crew that commute will have to have time to explore other airlines flighttimes, perhaps look at accomodations in London, etc.. The forward date gives them a reasonable time to make those arrangements.
...or are BA merely giving striking commuters a chance to make alternative arrangements?
Those Cabin Crew that commute will have to have time to explore other airlines flighttimes, perhaps look at accomodations in London, etc.. The forward date gives them a reasonable time to make those arrangements.
Mar 23, 10, 4:19 pm
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Yup that is a likely reason, a notice period would also allow them to make alternative arrangements.
Mar 23, 10, 4:28 pm
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Of course this does also mean that those who were thinking of not being around to work this weekend when rostered to do so might think twice before doing so.
Mar 23, 10, 5:55 pm
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I find it interesting that ST is being withdrawn from 14Apr10, two weeks into the new ST year, not 'immediately' or '01Apr10' but 14Apr10 - which'll give strikers a two week window to make use of their last annual concession, available from 01Apr10.
Maybe it'll take three weeks to update everyone's profile or are BA merely giving striking commuters a chance to make alternative arrangements?
Maybe it'll take three weeks to update everyone's profile or are BA merely giving striking commuters a chance to make alternative arrangements?
Is there any significance in that the union stated that they would consider further action from April 14 should there be no resolution after the first batch of IA?
Mar 23, 10, 7:01 pm
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Mar 23, 10, 7:38 pm
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I sincerely hope the BA board has some common sense and get rid of WW the sooner the better. Complete waste of space he is. So many travel plans ruined because he felt like having a hard inch challenge...
