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FlyingHighlander Jan 4, 2010 6:13 am

Is it a problem to padlock your suitcase flying to USA?
 
I'm flying BA in a few weeks - LHR to BWI (Baltimore USA). I hadn't given it any thought and was going to padlock the zips on my suitcase, but I see on an online shop a padlock that has in description:
"Allows only American security personnel to examine bag without damaging this lock" and "Recognised by American Travel Security Administration (TSA)".

Is there something I need to know?

Thanks

PS - is there a thread anywhere in relation to the latest whispers/news regarding a potential BA strike? I'm flying on 27/01/10 and a little concerned I may get hit by a strike.

jplondon Jan 4, 2010 6:27 am

Normal padlocks they will open (read destruct) so get yourself a TSA approved one, which many are and are for sale in the UK, for a few pounds. These ones they can open and close again.

ba273 Jan 4, 2010 6:29 am

Yeah get the TSA approved ones, they should have a red diamond I think on them and next to the lock itself it will say something like TSA 5. They will bust any locks if they want to get in and cannot open. And they won't pay for any damage.

As for the strike I think the union are due to ballot on the 18/01, I think they then need to wait a month to get the replies in, and then 7 days after that they could strike - so you should be OK.

Land-of-Miles Jan 4, 2010 6:31 am


Originally Posted by FlyingHighlander (Post 13107514)
I'm flying BA in a few weeks - LHR to BWI (Baltimore USA). I hadn't given it any thought and was going to padlock the zips on my suitcase, but I see on an online shop a padlock that has in description:
"Allows only American security personnel to examine bag without damaging this lock" and "Recognised by American Travel Security Administration (TSA)".

Is there something I need to know?

Thanks

PS - is there a thread anywhere in relation to the latest whispers/news regarding a potential BA strike? I'm flying on 27/01/10 and a little concerned I may get hit by a strike.

TSA approved locks allow TSA personnel to open the lock should they need to inspect the contents of your case as part of screening using either a special tool or key.

If TSA staff need to inspect your case and you have locked it with a non TSA approved lock, they can (as I understand it) simply break open your lock/case to complete the inspection. It is for this reason that I recently replaced my venerable Samsonite luggage which had non compliant locks with newer Tumi cases which did.

My guess (and it is only my guess) is that inbound to the US you are unlikely to have problems with non TSA locks (since you would only normally be asked to open your bags by customs). Your problems start when you are flying domestically within the US or leaving the US, when the TSA naturally may wish to screen your baggage.

Msclelovr Jan 4, 2010 6:38 am

Unless security requirements have changed in the last few days, you can lock your bags going to the USA. But returning from the USA you must either leave the bags unlocked or, as said above, use a TSA approved padlock.

I buy the TSA padlocks at drugstores in the US as they're cheap for sometimes the baggage inspectors don't reattach them after opening a bag.

Don't do as I once did, early on when these regulations came into force, and leave a padlock on the outside of the bag (ie attached to one end of the zipper). The baggage inspectors just cut off the zipper ends, thus making the bag unusable.

FlyingHighlander Jan 4, 2010 8:41 am

Thanks all. So is it not easy to get a master key for these locks if you're a criminal/corrupt baggage handler and steal from them and lock them again?

YVR Cockroach Jan 4, 2010 8:47 am


Originally Posted by FlyingHighlander (Post 13108237)
Thanks all. So is it not easy to get a master key for these locks if you're a criminal/corrupt baggage handler and steal from them and lock them again?

Locks never stopped anybody. Look at all the complaints in other fora about missing items from luggage and probable TSA searches where a calling card hasn't been left. And remember the line, "If you want to see you things again, don't check it".

matthewuk Jan 4, 2010 8:50 am


Originally Posted by FlyingHighlander (Post 13108237)
Thanks all. So is it not easy to get a master key for these locks if you're a criminal/corrupt baggage handler and steal from them and lock them again?

It probably is but your average thief is looking for an easy target (an unlocked bag)

If you can't get (or don't want to pay for) a TSA approved lock then some cable-ties are probably as effective a deterrent. (although then you have the chicken and egg situation of where to carry something to snip them open at your destination!!)

Sixth Freedom Jan 4, 2010 10:52 am


Originally Posted by matthewuk (Post 13108304)
It probably is but your average thief is looking for an easy target (an unlocked bag)

On the other hand maybe locked bags contain more expensive things than unlocked bags, otherwise they might be unlocked, so a possible incentive to go for the locked bags.

Ready2Go Jan 4, 2010 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingHighlander (Post 13108237)
Thanks all. So is it not easy to get a master key for these locks if you're a criminal/corrupt baggage handler and steal from them and lock them again?

It's best to consider baggage locks as protection against the accidental opening of bags/spillage and loss of contents in transit.

lawrenson1 Jan 4, 2010 1:01 pm

Hi,

I always use cable ties - you can get a big pack of them from the Pound shop.

There are loads of videos on Youtube showing how to a) open padlocks and b) open a suitcase with a zip round.

Just never pack anything valuable in a suitcase (like DUH, I know ;) )

Always remember to stick a few spare cable ties in to fasten your case on the way back.

Cheers,
Karen

FlyingHighlander Jan 4, 2010 2:57 pm

Thanks all. Points noted about security and not to pack anything I couldn't bear to never see again in checked baggage. I've purchased a TSA approved lock - one made by "Travel Sentry". It has a 3 digit number thing, and a TSA keyhole that has the words next to it "TSA 005" - do they use, or change, TSA keys periodically, hence reason for them being on No 5 these days?

Thanks for idea about cable ties - I've already got a huge pack and shall take some with me just in case.

Seated in First Jan 4, 2010 3:02 pm


Originally Posted by Msclelovr (Post 13107611)
Unless security requirements have changed in the last few days, you can lock your bags going to the USA. But returning from the USA you must either leave the bags unlocked or, as said above, use a TSA approved padlock.

As a regular traveler to and from the US this is indeed correct.

I also lock bags with TSA approved luggage straps/locks. No problems so far in the years I've used them other than general wear and tear.

trueblu Jan 4, 2010 4:14 pm

As a minor word of caution. I once had a TSA-approved lock smashed open (and zip destroyed) by an over-zealous someone or other. And this was to the USA. It was some years ago (but after 9/11) so I can't remember whether they left a note or not. Certainly nothing was stolen since infact, I had left the lock by accident on an empty compartment.

Since then, I've never locked my luggage, not checked anything too valuable, and not had major issues.

tb

colmc Jan 4, 2010 6:01 pm


I can't remember whether they left a note or not
The TSA only inspect bags on domestic flights within the USA, or on flights leaving the USA. They (obviously) don't inspect flights going into the USA - so that's there was note :)

Cheetah_SA Jan 5, 2010 2:04 am


Originally Posted by matthewuk (Post 13108304)
... (although then you have the chicken and egg situation of where to carry something to snip them open at your destination!!)

I find a nail clipper works well - plus it is small and not a security issue.

FenLandK Jan 5, 2010 2:35 am

I've been using TSA approved locks for years and never had a problem (in either direction - touch wood). I've had one occasion where they inspected my bag, as they left a note, but it was left pretty much exactly as I had packed it. I've heard stories that the TSA can be pretty brutal with bags that are locked with anything other than a TSA approved lock.

I've also avoided expensive (looking or actual) luggage, on the basis that it's less likely to be targeted by the casual thief.

Hansmann Jan 6, 2010 3:36 am


Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA (Post 13114530)
I find a nail clipper works well - plus it is small and not a security issue.

I use cable-ties as well, they can also be opened with a lighter/matches .
Just be careful where you do it ;) .

When customs want to search your luggage, and you ask for tools to cut the ties, it's also interesting what serious knives all the agents seem to carrry .

Dr Dave Jan 6, 2010 4:22 am

OK, I have a question that has bugged me over Christmas. I have an old suitcase with two built in combination locks. This pre-dates TSA approved locks (which were introduced in 2003) by at least five years. Each of the two locks is set to a different combination.

I flew out of San Francisco just before Christmas but accidentally locked my case. The case took a week to catch up with me (weather issues at Heathrow), but when I opened it the TSA search paper was inside. The locks were intact and the combinations unchanged. The search paper was dated and timed for about 30 mins after I checked in.

How did they get it open without breaking the locks?

FenLandK Jan 6, 2010 5:51 am

I have it on good authority that UK customs have some very clever techniques for getting into locked luggage, even with combinations and zips. The person I spoke to couldn't elaborate more (strangely enough), but they thought that the TSA would just take whatever instrument was closest to open the bag (including a Stanley knife by all accounts).

Obviously some of these techniques have made it across the pond.

redsailor Jan 6, 2010 5:58 am


Originally Posted by Dr Dave (Post 13122704)
OK, I have a question that has bugged me over Christmas. I have an old suitcase with two built in combination locks. This pre-dates TSA approved locks (which were introduced in 2003) by at least five years. Each of the two locks is set to a different combination.

I flew out of San Francisco just before Christmas but accidentally locked my case. The case took a week to catch up with me (weather issues at Heathrow), but when I opened it the TSA search paper was inside. The locks were intact and the combinations unchanged. The search paper was dated and timed for about 30 mins after I checked in.

How did they get it open without breaking the locks?

Flying back from the States, the TSA lock on one of my parents' cases had been removed and replaced with a similar (but different) TSA lock. However the combination was the same as it had been on the missing lock!!! WIERD!

lawrenson1 Jan 6, 2010 6:26 am

Hi,

videos like these show why it really isnt worth locking your case:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbqO6HkKHqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEvSWN3rbSo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z87FcZ_Rges

Cheers,
Karen


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