bmi FAQ No.4: Redemptions - Finding Award seats : the ANA online tool masterclass
#77
Join Date: May 2004
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I want ot use BD miles for a trip from SIN to Japan and am fine on the international sectors (well except for SQ witholding A333 C seats on SIN-KIX). However, I am currently facing the phenomenon with the ANA award booking tool that it is showing me no flights available at all on 3 different domestic sectors within Japan that were wide open yesterday.
For example I'm looking at FUK(Fukuoka)-ITM(Osaka Itami) on Nov 6, KIX-CTS(Sapporo Chitose) on Nov 8 and CTS-HND(Haneda) or NRT on Nov 12. I can now not even see one single eco seat all day and in the case of CTS-HND that is for like 15 different flights that day all on big 76P, 777 & 74Ps. KIX-CTS is also almost 10 flights a day. Strange.
Yesterday it showed almost every flight available even for 2 pax. Could it just be a temporary blip like from loading a new NH winter schedule or so (I can see some flight times changed, e.g. NH1715 KIX-CTS changed from 13:30 to 12:35)? I don't think they sold out / restricted awards in the last 24hrs for travel over 10 months away.
Still plenty of time to book but I was just wondering if anyone has experienced something similar before. I aksed in the NH formum but no info. Thanks ...
For example I'm looking at FUK(Fukuoka)-ITM(Osaka Itami) on Nov 6, KIX-CTS(Sapporo Chitose) on Nov 8 and CTS-HND(Haneda) or NRT on Nov 12. I can now not even see one single eco seat all day and in the case of CTS-HND that is for like 15 different flights that day all on big 76P, 777 & 74Ps. KIX-CTS is also almost 10 flights a day. Strange.
Yesterday it showed almost every flight available even for 2 pax. Could it just be a temporary blip like from loading a new NH winter schedule or so (I can see some flight times changed, e.g. NH1715 KIX-CTS changed from 13:30 to 12:35)? I don't think they sold out / restricted awards in the last 24hrs for travel over 10 months away.
Still plenty of time to book but I was just wondering if anyone has experienced something similar before. I aksed in the NH formum but no info. Thanks ...
#78
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Thanks in advance
#79
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Location: Manchester, England
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Peak time flights. Any released seats for that route in summer will be well gone by now.
It doesn't mean that more seats won't be released, but you'll need to keep checking to get them and you may be waiting until close to departure.
It doesn't mean that more seats won't be released, but you'll need to keep checking to get them and you may be waiting until close to departure.
#80
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A Guide to finding redemption seats using the ANA Online Tool
Booking an award in one cabin for one leg and another cabin for the other leg is absolutely fine. You should be able to book this as a redemption, although you may need to explain this to the ICC. You are charged the miles for the cabin class of the longest sector
RAPC
Booking an award in one cabin for one leg and another cabin for the other leg is absolutely fine. You should be able to book this as a redemption, although you may need to explain this to the ICC. You are charged the miles for the cabin class of the longest sector
RAPC
I didnt search forum as this is mentioned in the sticky.
#81
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Would there be an idea to link to a list of SQ flights that actually are available on ANA for F/C class?
Tought job for everyone to decipher trough seatguru and SQ timetables etc what flights that would make sense to search on ANA
Tought job for everyone to decipher trough seatguru and SQ timetables etc what flights that would make sense to search on ANA
#82
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Madrid, Spain
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Spectacular Tool
Hats off to this thread. I feel sooo dumb. As a 10-Year FT-er, I *just* came across this after seeing some CNN Traveler report mentioning some millionaire mileagers (who I found out have blogs and spoke about "KVS")
Then I find out KVS - for Star Alliance - appears to me a fancy front-end to ANA.CO.JP
And while for some reason the United Agent couldn't find the Asiana flight which ANA swore was available, all other legs were magically "approved" - further some quick key stroking on ANA whilst speaking to United found me some quick saving alternative routes.
I was able to book R/T SFO-SIN (via YVR & PVG outboung and BKK & LAX return) for 125K miles in Business in about 1 hour (took longer as I love all the permutations ANA offers via "connect flights")). This - vs - the day before my girlfriend on the line with United for 2.5 hours (seriously) and "not being able to find anyway to Singapore". AHEM
Thank You FlyerTalk!!!
Then I find out KVS - for Star Alliance - appears to me a fancy front-end to ANA.CO.JP
And while for some reason the United Agent couldn't find the Asiana flight which ANA swore was available, all other legs were magically "approved" - further some quick key stroking on ANA whilst speaking to United found me some quick saving alternative routes.
I was able to book R/T SFO-SIN (via YVR & PVG outboung and BKK & LAX return) for 125K miles in Business in about 1 hour (took longer as I love all the permutations ANA offers via "connect flights")). This - vs - the day before my girlfriend on the line with United for 2.5 hours (seriously) and "not being able to find anyway to Singapore". AHEM
Thank You FlyerTalk!!!
#83
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: UK North
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First Class....
....thread. ^
This tool should help greatly as ICC for BMI DC isn't particularly great.
A question from me re the tool ...
I noticed that some earlier posts indicated issues with seeing anything but a triangle for VS flights - I still see this. Does anyone have any recent experience where the tool has shown availability for VS flights ?
Thanks
This tool should help greatly as ICC for BMI DC isn't particularly great.
A question from me re the tool ...
I noticed that some earlier posts indicated issues with seeing anything but a triangle for VS flights - I still see this. Does anyone have any recent experience where the tool has shown availability for VS flights ?
Thanks
#84
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#85
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: DUB - Ireland
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I have just edited the first post because ANA now displays SWISS, Air China and Shanghai Airlines.
All the symbols have been done away with, so poor old RAPC will have to do a bit of a re-write, I'm afraid!
All the symbols have been done away with, so poor old RAPC will have to do a bit of a re-write, I'm afraid!
#87
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I will start to play with ANA and will get on to re-writing the guide at some point next week when I'm back home. Until then, apologies all for the slightly out of date guide.
#88
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#89
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If ANA shows avail, is there any reason that an ICC agent is correct in saying there's no avail? This is a well-known problem with UA (which, for those of you who might not know this) employs something called StarNet (think Death Star) which limits the number of UA awards on other carriers.
Does BMI do the same?
Does BMI do the same?
#90
Join Date: Mar 2002
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Yes, bmi's StarNet is expressed via their staff training manual.
Nah, 97% of the time ANA matches the actual availability via BD, However, there is growing evidence that somethimes limited inventory appears for a few days before it is bookable - the solution seems to be to just keep trying until it actually becomes available.
Nah, 97% of the time ANA matches the actual availability via BD, However, there is growing evidence that somethimes limited inventory appears for a few days before it is bookable - the solution seems to be to just keep trying until it actually becomes available.