The 'FUTURE OF BMI' thread, the LH takeover, & what it might mean for Diamond Club...
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This is the consolidated thread for discussion of the future ownership of bmi and what a change of ownership might mean for Diamond Club. It is a merge of several threads. Some key points that have already been discussed in this thread:
__________________________________________________ _ I found an article on FT today that LH have got the banks involved in looking into acquiring the put option on SMB's 50% + 1 share stake in bmi http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/cdda4156-a...0779fd2ac.html looks like its time to start using up those destinations miles... |
Originally Posted by neilcorbett
(Post 8872487)
looks like its time to start using up those destinations miles...
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Originally Posted by neilcorbett
(Post 8872487)
I found an article on FT today that LH have got the banks involved in looking into acquiring the put option on SMB's 50% + 1 share stake in bmi
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/cdda4156-a...0779fd2ac.html looks like its time to start using up those destinations miles... Cant help thinking that SMB has campaigned for LHR-US for nearly 20 years and so why sell before that happens? If BD do go to the US in 2009 - it coincides with the second SMB put option then so that might be the time :confused: |
Is Miles and More that bad? I have never really looked at it. I know BD is generous but assumed M&M was no wrse than say Krisflyer.
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One ways are 75% on M&M. :td:
Pathetic really. Surely ifyou travel half the journey, you pay half the journey? Not rocket science! |
Originally Posted by More Champagne Sir?
(Post 8874779)
One ways are 75% on M&M. :td:
Pathetic really. Surely ifyou travel half the journey, you pay half the journey? Not rocket science! |
Originally Posted by Air Sh......
(Post 8874672)
Might be a little early as there are no indications the SMB wants to sell - and if he doesnt I dont think there is anything LH can do.
Cant help thinking that SMB has campaigned for LHR-US for nearly 20 years and so why sell before that happens? If BD do go to the US in 2009 - it coincides with the second SMB put option then so that might be the time :confused: On the other hand, the value of BD's opportunities out of LHR might be higher before they lost a lot of money on new US routes ;) |
No need to rely on FT posts for this information, when the information is published:
"Lufthansa's most significant derivative position recorded on its balance sheet relates to its holding in U.K.-based airline, British Midland Airways Ltd. (BMI). At Dec. 31, 2006, Lufthansa included a liability of €212 million within current derivative financial instruments, which relates to the estimated negative market value of a put option granted to the main shareholder of BMI. Lufthansa currently owns 30% minus one share of the group and has a call option to buy the share-holding of 50% plus one share between December 2008 and June 2009. In turn, the current holder of the stake, Sir Michael Bishop, has a valid put option to sell the stake, valued at £229 million when the original deal was concluded in 1999, to Lufthansa, exercisable until June 2009. We have not included the value of the put option within our adjusted debt figure since the likely increase in value of the BMI stake following the conclusion of "open Skies" aviation treaty makes it uncertain whether the put will be exercised at the agreed price." Quoted from page 12 of http://www.lufthansa-financials.de/s...aug%202007.pdf (a Standard & Poor's analysis of Lufthansa from August 2007) SmilingBoy. |
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Beaten to it by SmilingBoy! |
My completely uninformed, speculative guess is that LH will buy the 20% bmi shares from SAS sometime in 2008, and the 50% rest form Bishop in December 2008. Co-ordination of timetables, and start of integrating bmi into M&M from March 2009, with a full integration of bmi into M&M from January 2010, and a complete integration of bmi and LH from October 2010. bmi brand will be kept probably.
This is at least a possible timetable if things work similarly as with Swiss. |
Can you explain why there is both a call and put on the shares at the same time? How does that work?
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Originally Posted by tranmerechris
(Post 8875442)
Can you explain why there is both a call and put on the shares at the same time? How does that work?
Lufthansa has a call option, which means that they have the right to buy bmi at a pre-agreed price. |
Thanks. So, if LH want - they can exercise their call option - SMB has to sell and that's that. Hello M&M.
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Originally Posted by SmilingBoy
(Post 8875459)
Lufthansa has a call option, which means that they have the right to buy bmi at a pre-agreed price. Just wondering as I don't have any knowledge of such high end financial matters. |
Originally Posted by RAPC
(Post 8875630)
Will this definitely be at a pre-agreed price, or subject to market valuations at the time? i.e. It is June 1st and Lufthansa offer xxx as a fair market valuation.
Just wondering as I don't have any knowledge of such high end financial matters. |
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