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modularmayhem Aug 12, 2007 9:25 am

Discarding paper ticket sectors
 
Im wondering is it possible, on a paper ticket to discard the first sector of an award flight?

I know that its usually not possible (with e-tickets) as if the first sector is not flown then the whole itinerary is cancelled.

With a paper ticket would it be possible to tear off the first coupon (or 2) and just use the remainder?

jbfield Aug 12, 2007 9:55 am

No. Your reservation would still be cancelled for the remaining sectors.

It's not the e-ticket that causes problems, it's the airlines computer systems that know you've not checked in. Your paper ticket would essentially become invalid.

AJLondon Aug 12, 2007 9:56 am

No! You can't do this (legally at least!) with a paper ticket either.

The airline will be well within their rights to cancel your onward booking.

modularmayhem Aug 12, 2007 11:05 am

OK, thanks. I thought as much anyway, but thought id double check.

frankvb Aug 12, 2007 11:20 am

As this is an award flight, it may work if you call DC and ask them to modify the trip by removing the first sector? Unless of course your connection point is in a more expensive zone and your objective is to pay less ;)

modularmayhem Aug 12, 2007 11:25 am


Originally Posted by frankvb (Post 8217830)
As this is an award flight, it may work if you call DC and ask them to modify the trip by removing the first sector? Unless of course your connection point is in a more expensive zone and your objective is to pay less ;)

No, not saving miles... but i booked ex-DUB to save on the APD (£80) but now i cant really make the DUB outbound. Will work something out anyway.

measures Aug 12, 2007 7:14 pm

I thought you had to pay the APT for every sector? I've had agents route me (from Dublin) through CPH or AMS (can't remember) to avoid the CDG taxes. Is this all rubbish?

modularmayhem Aug 12, 2007 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by measures (Post 8219945)
I thought you had to pay the APT for every sector?

APD is kind of different from airport taxes. APD is an ex-UK specific tax which Gordon Brown introduced. Its £40 in Y and £80 in C, on top of the usual airport taxes. So for reward flights it can make them quite expensive.

It can be avoided though by starting at a non-UK airport (such as DUB) and even though you route through a UK airport (a route such as DUB-LHR-LAX) you wont pay the APD

frankvb Aug 13, 2007 2:21 am


Originally Posted by modularmayhem (Post 8217857)
No, not saving miles... but i booked ex-DUB to save on the APD (£80) but now i cant really make the DUB outbound. Will work something out anyway.

Ok, didn't think about the UK APD. Would have been a creative way to avoid that ;)

badgerdirect Aug 13, 2007 3:09 am

If the first segment is with BA and second with BD(AC) - would BA communicate with BD/AC to say that the first segment was not flown? Also, what happens if the last segment of a trip is not flown? Will miles still be awarded?

ajamieson Aug 13, 2007 3:39 am


Originally Posted by modularmayhem (Post 8217367)
I know that its usually not possible (with e-tickets) as if the first sector is not flown then the whole itinerary is cancelled.

Would this be true even if the award was on all-BD flights? BD doesn't cancel revenue bookings if the first sector isn't flown.

modularmayhem Aug 13, 2007 6:59 am


Originally Posted by ajamieson (Post 8221355)
Would this be true even if the award was on all-BD flights? BD doesn't cancel revenue bookings if the first sector isn't flown.

Very interesting... As in fact this is an all BD booking.

ajamieson Aug 13, 2007 7:11 am

BD has one-way pricing on most of its fares (except long haul). The fare isn't dependent on having to fly both/all sectors, so failure to fly the first sector doesn't trigger a re-price or cancellation.

I have no idea if this also applies to redemption tickets but if it's a BD short-haul I don't see why it would be a problem.

In any case, I thought the received wisdom on this board was that you should always book redemption trips as two one-ways so that you don't have these issues if your plans change.

bapilot2b Aug 13, 2007 7:16 am


Originally Posted by ajamieson (Post 8221355)
Would this be true even if the award was on all-BD flights? BD doesn't cancel revenue bookings if the first sector isn't flown.

On one way ticketing this is the case...i.e MAN-LHR. But for longhaul if you miss say MAN-LHR but you try to just check in for MAN-ORD you may have a nasty suprise. I assume this will be the same for reward bookings as you are charged for the whole journey and not 'per sector'.

bapilot2b Aug 13, 2007 7:18 am


Originally Posted by modularmayhem (Post 8220118)
It can be avoided though by starting at a non-UK airport (such as DUB) and even though you route through a UK airport (a route such as DUB-LHR-LAX) you wont pay the APD

But if you dont turn up for the DUB-LHR flight and you try to check-in at LHR instead you will be (rightfully) charged the correct APD.


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