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new flights to Dubai or South Africa! (?)

Old Mar 27, 03, 8:47 pm
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new flights to Dubai or South Africa! (?)

A post from Airliners.net mentioned that bmi british midland is due to announce new long-haul flight effective October 2003.

bmi will either fly to Dubai or South Africa.

Anyone know about this?
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Old Mar 28, 03, 3:42 am
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Don't know anything (and Airliners.net is not renowned for its reliability) but it might make sense while the regulatory impasse prevents BD serving the US out of LHR. There's already a lot of competition to DXB but a service to JNB would be interesting - LH and SQ are currently the only two *A airlines serving RSA from what I can recall, and there's a big market (albeit mostly leisure) down there, as anyone seeing the two 747's SA send out of London every evening can testify!

That said, I'm sure VS would not be happy with even more competition on the South Africa run.

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Old Mar 28, 03, 8:42 am
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Forgot to add that rumours of MAN-JNB did circulate around a year ago, and also shortly after transatlantic services were launched (a use for the third A330). SA used to offer this route for several years in the early 1990's so it would be potentially feasible (though whether it would generate any more cash than MAN-ORD/IAD with their feeder networks is debatable).

Could even be carried out as a joint venture with SA.

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Old Mar 28, 03, 9:04 am
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House is correct, there is talk of a further SAA tie-up (remember SAA is already helping out by wet-leasing two of the A330s for its JNB-Milan and JNB-CDG services) if only to stem the losses.
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Old Mar 28, 03, 9:18 am
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bmi would indeed be a very welcome *A alternative to yukky LH on the South Africa run. Why MAN, why not LHR?

Incidentally, bmi's A330 is a **** fine-looking machine at CDG, particularly when viewed from the window of one of the cruddy old F**ker 100s that are now cropping up on the CDG-LHR run.

Oh, except that my last CDG-LHR was delayed by 20 mins to wait for a spare part for a "non-operational" A330 in MAN... Feel sorry for those poor MAN-ORD pax with no back up plane... Don't they keep spare parts up North? And aren't SA concerned about their A330s being cannibalised for parts?

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Old Mar 28, 03, 9:38 am
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This would be brilliant as the routes to SA are totally oversubscribed at present and SAA have been under heavy criticism from the SA government for not putting on extra flights.

The only real options for us *A travellers to go to SA from the UK at the moment is LH (and LH is not exactly great to connect with if you live away from LHR!). VS and SAA are not really competitors IMHO due to the lack of points earning and spending options.

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Old Mar 28, 03, 10:16 am
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1 of the A330-200 will return to bmi from SAA this June. Is this hinting something new to come or bmi just going to store that bird?
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Old Mar 28, 03, 10:49 am
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One of the A330s comes back to operate the MAN-IAD service which restarts in June. Loads on this route are very seasonal.

BD are generally tight-lipped about new routes but if MAN-IAD is summer seasonal then you either have to try and wet-lease the aircraft back to SAA during the winter or look at flying to a destination in a different hemisphere where it is still summer. SAA is crucial to both options.
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Old Mar 29, 03, 5:04 am
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So do we think that SAA will announce a *A tie up rather than a OW tie-up during their "strategic review" ?
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Old Mar 31, 03, 3:16 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Bond Boy:
This would be brilliant as the routes to SA are totally oversubscribed at present and SAA have been under heavy criticism from the SA government for not putting on extra flights.

The only real options for us *A travellers to go to SA from the UK at the moment is LH (and LH is not exactly great to connect with if you live away from LHR!). VS and SAA are not really competitors IMHO due to the lack of points earning and spending options.

Go on bmi !
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Isn't the SA gov't still a major shareholder?

I thought the whole issue with capacity to SA was that with the government owning the airports and being a large investor in SAA, slots for other airlines were heavily restricted.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by LondonElite:
Isn't the SA gov't still a major shareholder?

I thought the whole issue with capacity to SA was that with the government owning the airports and being a large investor in SAA, slots for other airlines were heavily restricted.
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I'm just quoting the press comment from SA. Not really sure about the ownership of SAA but what I do know is that there are about 12 flights each night from JNB to Europe. There has to be capacity at JNB International for more flights so I don't think that this is a constraint.
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Old Mar 31, 03, 7:31 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ajamieson:
One of the A330s comes back to operate the MAN-IAD service which restarts in June. Loads on this route are very seasonal.

BD are generally tight-lipped about new routes but if MAN-IAD is summer seasonal then you either have to try and wet-lease the aircraft back to SAA during the winter or look at flying to a destination in a different hemisphere where it is still summer. SAA is crucial to both options.
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Probably the best isolution. MAN-IAD during the summer season and MAN/LHR-JNB during the European winter season...
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