OT: Ok, I'm going to say it...

Old Apr 23, 12, 9:58 am
  #136  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: London UK
Programs: BA Bronze, Hilton Silver
Posts: 1,021
Originally Posted by NoY View Post
to the downright lazy under-trained, could-care-less crowd with a massive chip (..you mean I need to actually provide s-e-r-v-ic-e..??) & massive sense of entitlement. Sigh.
Would they be the ones with hats - mixed fleet? Or the ones that speak to first class passengers but not use their names...shocking.
Alinlondon is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 10:04 am
  #137  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London, United Kingdom
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold;BA GGL, CCR; hhonors diamond; SPG LTG ; IH Plat Amb; Amex Centurion;
Posts: 4,452
Originally Posted by Swanhunter View Post
1.
2. Gold Upgrade for 2. Valid for a 1 class round trip upgrade for 2 people. Only obtained at 2500 TP's
..and again at 3500.
hsmall is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 10:10 am
  #138  
Moderator: British Airways Executive Club, Marriott Bonvoy
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Englandshire
Programs: SPG LT Plat, BA G, BD*LG, MG Blue+ ...
Posts: 12,629
Originally Posted by EsherFlyer View Post
I see some value in a ex-BD specific FAQ
Originally Posted by A_Lee View Post
I think that's a pretty good idea in this case. If a ton of BMI newbies invade the BA board, adding a million threads about every single question, it will likely create a backlash and ill will towards the newbies. Making one thread for the BMI transferees to ask their newbie questions, and where some helpful knowledgeable BA old hands can answer would be a good solution in my mind.
This was already in preparation, so here it is.
Oxon Flyer is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 10:17 am
  #139  
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Coronavirus, Community Buzz, and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
Programs: LH SEN** HH Diamond
Posts: 27,778
Originally Posted by oliver2002 View Post
Maybe the tommys can copy some brillant threads the jerries already have (albeit hosted by a welsh jap): @:-)
I beg your pardon?!
NewbieRunner is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 11:53 am
  #140  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cheshire / Wherever they send me
Programs: BA Blue, Marriott Plat Life, UA Silver (thx Marriott), IHG Gold, Accor Plat, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 852
Originally Posted by A_Lee View Post
Even though I generally despise huge sticky threads, I think that's a pretty good idea in this case. If a ton of BMI newbies invade the BA board, adding a million threads about every single question, it will likely create a backlash and ill will towards the newbies. Making one thread for the BMI transferees to ask their newbie questions, and where some helpful knowledgeable BA old hands can answer would be a good solution in my mind.
I completely agree. There was a general backlash against all of the Chase cardholders (got 100,000 avios with their card and then complained that they had to pay taxes ). However, a sticky was created for them and this has helped a lot as you don't get the same question asked every day.

I think that a lot of the BAEC members are also DC members. As others have said, the BA Board will change as the BMI members join in. If you think someone has been out of order - please point it out and often people will back you up. In addition, whilst their are apologists, people coming on and saying "I had a crap flight with BA once, I'm never flying them again", doesn't go down well. I've had crap flights with lots of airlines, but if I refused to fly on them all - I wouldn't be flying anymore

T
toothy is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 12:08 pm
  #141  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: UK oop north
Programs: BMI Diamond Club RIP,BAEC,LifeMiles
Posts: 1,502
Originally Posted by toothy View Post
whilst their are apologists, people coming on and saying "I had a crap flight with BA once, I'm never flying them again", doesn't go down well.
T
I beg to differ. An incident is often what prompts a newbie or lurker to post and ask advice or make a point. When either a staff poster(unofficial one assumes) or other thin skinned character in a blazer and brogues comes over all precious or shouty I find it quite unpleasant. If new folk are helped or a possible error challenged in a non aggressive way it makes for a nicer experience for all. Me I'm quite thick skinned and couldn't give a bu**er by now, I've figured out the unpleasant little cliques for myself, but I wonder whether the old school ties could be loosened a little?
YorkieFlyer is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 12:20 pm
  #142  
Moderator: British Airways Executive Club, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges and Carbon Conscious Travel
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: London, UK
Posts: 20,184
Originally Posted by NoY View Post
Seriously, it's not the pace that's intimidating. In fact it's not intimidating at all. It's just, too often....not nice to participate in for all of the reasons already stated

The welcome is appreciated though.
Everything you say I agree with. If you look back at the origins of this thread, it was originally aired at the tail end of last year. This coincided with a time when the BA forum was a deeply unhappy place. Disharmony and polarisation bred further disharmony and polarisation but the community pulled through; it underwent a process of self cleansing and recovery. The result is the BA forum is now much more conducive to discussing matters of greater importance to us all.

To echo GoldCircle, the BA and BD mod teams are working together very closely and we'll do our utmost to support members make the transition as a smoothly as possible. Over the weekend, GoldCircle introduced me to Brown Ale. If things don't go so well, I am told I'll be introduced to the Twix
Prospero is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 12:22 pm
  #143  
Moderator, Turkish Airlines Miles&Smiles & Le Club Accorhotels
Accor 25+ Badge
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: BRU
Programs: TK*G, Le Club Accorhotels Platinum
Posts: 6,905
Originally Posted by Prospero View Post
If things don't go so well, I am told I'll be introduced to the Twix
Can't we all just get along?
starflyergold is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 12:25 pm
  #144  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NE & SE Asia, N America
Programs: TG ROP Gold, Lifetime OZ Diamond Plus, BA Gold
Posts: 3,105
Originally Posted by toothy View Post
In addition, whilst their are apologists, people coming on and saying "I had a crap flight with BA once, I'm never flying them again", doesn't go down well. I've had crap flights with lots of airlines, but if I refused to fly on them all - I wouldn't be flying anymore
Your comments bring up an interesting point that I've noticed on other forums. If you have a choice between airlines and find one you like, you're going to fly it often and probably be active in that airline's forum. Being you like the airline, you may post in a manner such that some would label you an apologist. There can sometimes be a fine line between being an apologist and just simply liking the airline and standing up for it when people bash it without any real basis in fact. As you pointed out, someone who flies an airline once, has a bad experience, then says something like it's the worst airline in the world is basing his opinion on one flight, which is probably completely unfair and has no statistical significance. People who fly once on an airline and have a good experience may not post anything about it. It's when you have a bad experience that you tend to post, and tend to exaggerate the negatives. So the negative reports may outweigh the fewer positive reports and give an improper impression about the airline. It is only natural that those who like an airline will come down on those posting extremely negative comments having little or no prior experience, as sort of a way of attempting to balance things out.

Still, I think it's worthwhile though to hear a newbie's comments about an airline, even if they are extremely negative. For me I have no problem with that, but do have a problem if the newbie continually harps on his one negative experience. Make a report once, let the people who like the airline and/or are experienced flying that airline to comment about their opinions, such as if it was some one-off problem or not, and then the newbie should drop the subject. No need to attack the newbie for giving his report, but rather to provide constructive analysis and possible solutions to the problems/issues.

Complete apologists who think an airline can do no wrong, and newbies who continue to harp on a single bad experience are equally annoying. Provided the members can find middle ground in the wide range of opinions between the two extremes, hopefully everyone can get along and share/learn useful information.

Note my comments were not directed at all towards the BA board, being I haven't read enough to know the personalities there, so don't have an opinion one way or the other. I'm referring to what I've seen as tendencies on all the various airline forums that I do participate in, and so assume those tendencies will likely also be present on the BA board.
A_Lee is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 2:11 pm
  #145  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Argentina
Programs: BAEC/IB
Posts: 38,221
Originally Posted by toothy View Post
I completely agree. There was a general backlash against all of the Chase cardholders (got 100,000 avios with their card and then complained that they had to pay taxes ). However, a sticky was created for them and this has helped a lot as you don't get the same question asked every day.

I think that a lot of the BAEC members are also DC members. As others have said, the BA Board will change as the BMI members join in. If you think someone has been out of order - please point it out and often people will back you up. In addition, whilst their are apologists, people coming on and saying "I had a crap flight with BA once, I'm never flying them again", doesn't go down well. I've had crap flights with lots of airlines, but if I refused to fly on them all - I wouldn't be flying anymore

T
Very well said on all points.

Of course the big difference between the Chase holders and DC members is that a lot of the Chase people had very little experience in miles programmes....in fact mostly none at all. To be fair, the ones who worded their inquiries in a sensible manner were replied to likewise....it was only the ones who ranted who go short thrift.
DC members are no mugs....they are fully clued up on how a FFP works....at least they know they have to pay taxes and charges on redemptions. Avios is still relatively new so even BAEC members still have a lot to learn about the programme.

Anyway what happened to Boddingtons....he seemed a sensible chap.
HIDDY is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 2:28 pm
  #146  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Manchester, England
Programs: Bonvoy LT Plat, HH Diamond, IHG Plat, BMI Gold (RIP)
Posts: 7,399
Originally Posted by Prospero View Post
If things don't go so well, I am told I'll be introduced to the Twix
The only question is whether you get one finger or two. Be warned!
RAPC is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 3:32 pm
  #147  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Miami Beach, Florida
Programs: AA Plat, Sixt Platinum, Hilton Gold, Hyatt Platinum, Avis First, Caesars TR Diamond, Mlife Gold
Posts: 4,824
Lightbulb BOAC Presents: Tomorrow Is Theirs - 1950s promo Film

Originally Posted by YorkieFlyer View Post
I say old chap don't you know they're not to happy with johnny come lately's from that Jerry owned airline just turning up you know!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuoV0mfxdUI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=WHU6X29z-xw
gkbiiii is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 4:44 pm
  #148  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Miami Beach, Florida
Programs: AA Plat, Sixt Platinum, Hilton Gold, Hyatt Platinum, Avis First, Caesars TR Diamond, Mlife Gold
Posts: 4,824
What is "Avios", was there a different program before?
gkbiiii is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 4:46 pm
  #149  
Moderator: British Airways Executive Club
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Programs: Battleaxe Alliance
Posts: 21,881
As a fellow BD Gold-holding refugee, I would like to welcome you all to the BAEC forum.

Please don't put be put off. Come and ask for info or just blubber on about something or the other if you prefer.

BAEC forum inhabitants don't tend to bite anyone reasonable, and I expect that the vast majority of the BD forum inhabitants would be quite reasonable people, so there is no reason for them to bite.

However, sometimes they get a bit 'robust' with their responses. If they go to far, we (BAEC forum moderators) bite them.

Please come over, and feel free to ask any questions. We're not all unhelpful lot - some of us may be, but by and large we do try to help.

We have all been new to a hotel or frequent flyer scheme at some point. I remember asking some incredibly dumb questions myself (and I still do) and felt embarrassed about it at first but I got used to it pretty quickly.
LTN Phobia is offline  
Old Apr 23, 12, 4:53 pm
  #150  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: UK oop north
Programs: BMI Diamond Club RIP,BAEC,LifeMiles
Posts: 1,502
I'm sure it was a plate of those bottle tops that was put in front of me the other day
YorkieFlyer is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search Engine: