WARNING: Watch out for fuel re-charge scam at Avis
#47
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 28
Always take a photo of the fuel gauge and all sides of the vehicle when you return it. That way you can prove that the tank was full and there was no damage.
I have had car rental companies try to charge me for non existing damage a couple of times.
I have had car rental companies try to charge me for non existing damage a couple of times.
#48
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 37
Pick your battles
So.....I totally loathe hypocrites and will call out most of you. I agree, this car refueling thing is a mess but not certain how this gets resolved.
I used to be a Hertz guy on every trip I took. They had new and clean cars and they didn't sweat stuff like fuel level, tiny marks on the vehicle, etc. They never dinged me on anything but I always refueled it back to where I got it and may have seen a door ding or two but nothing massive like wheel or body damage.
My company arranged for the Hertz Gold Club which made things even easier. But as we all know, people can and will take advantage of this.
Fast forward and rental vehicles for my personal trips that went to Avis. They were a lot like Hertz in that you could bypass all lines and get your vehicle off the board which showed each person's rental by name on the board, but was at a lower price point. Worked well.
Then as the rental prices skyrocketed and the cars to choose from were pathetic, I switched to National. They would get you into a better vehicle at a better price with the same perks as Avis and Hertz.
BUT, one day a greedy a-hole opines that "hey, I can drive this car like I stole it and no one will know or point out the damage. And I can refuel it a day before I need to return it while still sightseeing and steal money from they because the next sucker will get stuck with the 2 gallon delta, not me."
I can see why these rental companies take certain measures. When people were decent and honest you could get your car without the full military inspection you expect at Enterprise and when the gas gauge says F (full), it was truly full. But it got to such an insane point that rental companies starting asking to see a receipt to protect themselvesfrkm losses. That made many people more honest . But the thieves thought to just stop at a station and put in $1 or $2 and show that to the rental employee knowing they were still short a few gallons. As that practice got worse they starting asking for a receipt that showed you filled up nearby and and on the same day, not 20 miles away last night.
But how many of you out there top off the tank of their personal vehicles to the point gas almost spills on the ground but you end up cutting the pump off your rental so early there is no clunking sound? And then you turn the key to see if that fuel line hits F??? I know you're out there. I've checked out of the rental facility at hundreds of airports where the tank displays F on the dash but about 10 miles down the road I'm almost down a 1/4 tank. There was no way to prove it to the rental company at that point because you told the person when exiting the rental lot that the vehicle read Full.
I can see the pettiness on both sides but things were cool at one point. And those who complain at this have behaved in such a way that what is a rental car company to do? I agree things need to be consistent on both sides of the transaction but they are protecting themselves from thieves who are trying to game the system. Some people reading this won't even think this is stealing but whatever. You've got bigger problems in life.
In these instances you have to figure out the rules and play by them best you can. So I'd also like to know the app name so I can figure out how the process works and make sure I leave with a full tank and return with the same level. If there is fraud by the rental company then we'll find that out soon enough. But stop the stealing. Things have a way of evening out on their own.
#49
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 37
I'll usually look for a Costco or Sam's Club the day before abs fill it up and then the day or ret return top ot off and have receipts ready. I've only been asked twice for a receipt and both times I was not charged.
#50
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 37
That's why Budget has been in bankruptcy twice. Find another company.
#51
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,620
I should point out that my most recent AVIS rental dropped just below full when I exited the gate, so, so much for ensuring that now all cars exit the gate completely full.
#52
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: New England
Programs: American Gold, Marriott Gold, Hilton Silver
Posts: 5,640
Maybe it's time to start complaining to regulators about this. Somewhere out there, is a regulatory agency who would LOVE to pounce on an opportunity to levy a fine per vehicle for a neat payday.
#53
Join Date: Mar 2017
Programs: American Airlines Plat, Hilton, Diamond Avis Preferred
Posts: 4
I've had this happened to me a few times at Avis where the attendant tried to charge me or 1 or 2 gallons after I filled the tank 2 miles away, saying the vehicle computer told them the tank is low. Went to the counter, showed my gas receipt, and had it reversed. After asking a friend who works for them, there is no vehicle computer that sends the fuel tank level to them. If you have driven less than 50 miles, they assume you didn't fill it up and charge you the difference. A nice scam.
#54
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,620
I've had this happened to me a few times at Avis where the attendant tried to charge me or 1 or 2 gallons after I filled the tank 2 miles away, saying the vehicle computer told them the tank is low. Went to the counter, showed my gas receipt, and had it reversed. After asking a friend who works for them, there is no vehicle computer that sends the fuel tank level to them. If you have driven less than 50 miles, they assume you didn't fill it up and charge you the difference. A nice scam.
I have succesfully argued twice to have the charge removed and I have lost the argument three time to have the charged removed, others experiences may vary.
With regards to the charge for driving less than 75 miles that is an entirely different animal all together and that supercedes the charge for X amount of gallons of gas below what the vehicle EXACTLY went out with, if a vehicle is driven less than 75 miles and the employee is not made aware of the customer electing to top off the tank him/herself, the system will automatcially charge the customer X amount of dollars (I cannot remember the exact amount) as a "convenience".
Last edited by kmersh; Jun 17, 2019 at 6:58 am Reason: adding some further info
#55
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,872
after you are done, bring the rental employee to the car you dropped off and make video form your phone and record, not on his face but on the car and conversation showing no damage and gas filled.
also on the rental paper, ask him or write that everything is good with his or her signature. I always do the later and that way problem solved.
If you don't do this, then it is hard to to fight back their lies and scam!
also on the rental paper, ask him or write that everything is good with his or her signature. I always do the later and that way problem solved.
If you don't do this, then it is hard to to fight back their lies and scam!
#56
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,620
after you are done, bring the rental employee to the car you dropped off and make video form your phone and record, not on his face but on the car and conversation showing no damage and gas filled.
also on the rental paper, ask him or write that everything is good with his or her signature. I always do the later and that way problem solved.
If you don't do this, then it is hard to to fight back their lies and scam!
also on the rental paper, ask him or write that everything is good with his or her signature. I always do the later and that way problem solved.
If you don't do this, then it is hard to to fight back their lies and scam!
#57
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,872
I am not sure that will work when the fuel guage shows as FULL, but the computer is more accurate than the gauge and shows the return employee that the tank is down a small amount (as an example if the tank held 12 gallons of gas and it was down 11.8), I have actually said to him/her the gauge reads FULL and he actually said to me, it does not matter what the gauge reads, it matters what my computer says and he went and charged me for the gallon even though it was only down 2/10 of a gallon.
#58
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,620
if you read what i mentioned earlier. After you drop off, have the employee come to you at the car with you, check the car and and then ask him to sign his name and a note on the rental paper saying car checked and everything is good. I always did that and never had nay issues later. You can even do better by taking 20 secs cellphone video of the car and conversation saying" yep it is good!".
My point is from what I can (and anyone else) the fuel gauge reads FULL, but the handheld which the employee uses to check-in the vehicle says otherwise because it accurate (or so AVIS claims) up to the 10th of a gallon which the fuel gauge is not and nobody disputes (the employee, the manager, myself) that the fuel gauge reads FULL, they all say it is what the handheld says which matters and it says for example the tank went out with 12.4 gallons of fuel (gauge read FULL) and I brought it back with 12.2 (gauge reads FULL) therefor AVIS is going to charge for me for one gallon of gas.
To be clear nobody from the check-in employee to the Managers I have spoke with doubt for one second that the vehicle's fuel gauge reads FULL, but they all say that many of the cars are equipped with a computer which is far more accurate than the fuel gauge and AVIS is going by that computer and not the car's fuel gauge, no amount of signatures or videos will change that.
In fact my last rental the employee said yes the gauge reads full and even wrote that on the receipt and said you can speak with the Manager inside but most likely he will say that the computer says it is down x .10 of gallon and the charge stands. He turned his screen towards me, showed me that the car went out with 14.1 gallons of gas and I returned it with 13.9 gallons of gas and thus the charge was accurate even though he agreed with me and my pic of the gauge reading FULL as well as the employees written statement on the back of the receipt that the gauge read full.
He did remove the charge as a gesture of good will, but said that not all Managers will be willing to do that as AVIS really wants us to use the new system and not credit customers for gas charges.
Last edited by kmersh; Jun 19, 2019 at 7:41 am
#59
Join Date: Jun 2023
Posts: 1
Fuel gauge indicated above full yet still charged
I recently returned a car to AVIS at FLL, the gas gauge showed as FULL, but the return agent said his handheld said the car was down 2 gallons of gas, I said but the gas gauge shows as full, he did not care one iota and said it is what my computer says, not anything. He added 19.98 to my bill and only after speaking with manager was the added gas amount removed as a one-time favor.
I was told by the Manager that many AVIS cars report the amount of the fuel in the tank to the computer system and I am quoting here, "the fuel gauge is no longer the measure by which AVIS is determining if the car is fully fueled or not."
Just a warning.
I was told by the Manager that many AVIS cars report the amount of the fuel in the tank to the computer system and I am quoting here, "the fuel gauge is no longer the measure by which AVIS is determining if the car is fully fueled or not."
Just a warning.
#60
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: BOS
Programs: DL DM 2MM, Marriott LT Titanium, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 15,187
There is already a master thread here that was more recently active, instead of reviving this 4+ year old thread.
Avis Fuel Surcharge Master Thread
Dispute the charge - its a scam and known that the sensors are not accurate and don't reflect proper level right after refueling.
Avis Fuel Surcharge Master Thread
Dispute the charge - its a scam and known that the sensors are not accurate and don't reflect proper level right after refueling.