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LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it) Rebooted v2.0

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C2 Europe
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C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
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2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.

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Cash & Miles redemptions: the price per mile purchased during award booking varies significantly depending on how many miles are purchased. The "sweet spots" are between 38% and 58% of the total mileage required, where miles are purchased for 1.5 cents. See here for some examples.

Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).

Understand Cabotage: Departing country 1, transiting country 2, returning to country 1 (no stopping) *is* cabotage (example: depart JFK, connect in YYZ to return to ORD, or depart Miami, connect in Bogota, return to San Francisco). On the other hand, departing country 1, going to completely unrelated country 2, and ending up in country 3, is not cabotage. So if you fly JFK-JNB-ZRH, for instance, this is completely not cabotage.

Availability: Seeing availability for *A award seats elsewhere is no guarantee they are accessible on Lifemiles. For instance award space shown on ANA often is not accessible on Lifemiles. Similarly, finding award space on single legs doesn't mean you'll get award space on the combined itinerary. And no, there is no way to overcome that.

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NOTE: This previous thread has been closed; it can be read here LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it)
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Old Jul 4, 14, 3:05 pm
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If you're using a tricked routing, there's no guarantee that you can hang onto it and you shouldn't expect it. I wrote more about this here and I suggest reading it (and fully understanding/accepting the risks) before booking any tricked routings.
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Old Jul 4, 14, 5:26 pm
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Originally Posted by TProphet View Post
If you're using a tricked routing, there's no guarantee that you can hang onto it and you shouldn't expect it. I wrote more about this here and I suggest reading it (and fully understanding/accepting the risks) before booking any tricked routings.
So how exactly is your blog post helping the OP in his current situation? With perfect 20-20 hindsight?
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Old Jul 4, 14, 5:32 pm
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Originally Posted by zagy View Post
So how exactly is your blog post helping the OP in his current situation? With perfect 20-20 hindsight?
As far as I can see the blog post isn't relevant to the OP...the OP is intending to fly the entire tricked route, there is no hidden city. But the post about trick cities is perhaps intended to be more general advice rather than related to that specific situation.
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Old Jul 4, 14, 6:31 pm
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What use was that post other than plugging your own blog (which you also reposted the link to again in another thread)? I think most people participating in this thread are well aware of the pros/cons of such tickets.
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Old Jul 5, 14, 4:43 pm
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Thanks for the reply guys, but I'm not talking about hidden city ticketing, rather, a mispriced city, so I fully intend to fly the entire originally booked route. Any advice?
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Old Jul 5, 14, 4:50 pm
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Originally Posted by babypuwet View Post
Thanks for the reply guys, but I'm not talking about hidden city ticketing, rather, a mispriced city, so I fully intend to fly the entire originally booked route. Any advice?
You have 2 options. You find someone at SN prepared to reroute you, but they're unlikely to route you to your intended final destination as that would involve another carrier. Or, you call up LifeMiles and ask them to find you a solution.
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Old Jul 5, 14, 9:18 pm
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LM also seems to have extra TK space available.

I was able to book and ticket TK seats that didn't show up on ANA/Aeroplan/UA etc.
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Old Jul 5, 14, 10:06 pm
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Originally Posted by tng11 View Post
LM also seems to have extra TK space available.

I was able to book and ticket TK seats that didn't show up on ANA/Aeroplan/UA etc.
Noticed that when I booked my extra long routing. LM seems to have a lead with TK of about 2 weeks.
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Old Jul 6, 14, 2:26 am
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Originally Posted by wheresmybagba View Post
You have 2 options. You find someone at SN prepared to reroute you, but they're unlikely to route you to your intended final destination as that would involve another carrier. Or, you call up LifeMiles and ask them to find you a solution.
So i called LM today, conceding defeat and wanting to just get a cancellation fee waiver and re-book a normal mileage ticket. However, the LM agent told me to contact the operating carrier to find an alternate routing and they will re-issue the ticket. Problem I see though, is even if the operating carrier opens up award space to the other cities it serves, the departure times violate LM's own rules for stopover and i will actually have about 17 hours in the connecting city. Heres to fingers crossed that will work.
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Old Jul 6, 14, 3:04 am
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Originally Posted by babypuwet View Post
So i called LM today, conceding defeat and wanting to just get a cancellation fee waiver and re-book a normal mileage ticket. However, the LM agent told me to contact the operating carrier to find an alternate routing and they will re-issue the ticket. Problem I see though, is even if the operating carrier opens up award space to the other cities it serves, the departure times violate LM's own rules for stopover and i will actually have about 17 hours in the connecting city. Heres to fingers crossed that will work.
Your main problem is that the operating carrier will most likely expect LM to make the request. However you have a pretty good case to try and get them to do so without getting LM to request something for you. I wouldn't worry about the layover time, once the reservation is in place I doubt their system will struggle to ticket it.
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Old Jul 7, 14, 7:37 am
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Originally Posted by wheresmybagba View Post
Your main problem is that the operating carrier will most likely expect LM to make the request. However you have a pretty good case to try and get them to do so without getting LM to request something for you. I wouldn't worry about the layover time, once the reservation is in place I doubt their system will struggle to ticket it.
Just wanted to report my experience and provide a data point. After calling LM to ask about my options regarding the partner segment cancellation, a very helpful LM agent opened up award space on Avianca and rerouted me thru BOG and onto my final destination in the US with no additional cost in mileage. Even though it added about 6 extra hours of flying and an over night in BOG, I am 1000% happy with the outcome.
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Old Jul 7, 14, 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by babypuwet View Post
Just wanted to report my experience and provide a data point. After calling LM to ask about my options regarding the partner segment cancellation, a very helpful LM agent opened up award space on Avianca and rerouted me thru BOG and onto my final destination in the US with no additional cost in mileage. Even though it added about 6 extra hours of flying and an over night in BOG, I am 1000% happy with the outcome.
That's very clever from LM, I guess they do it always this way with tric#ed tickets... They book you an overnight connection trough BOG and then the next day they cancel the flight and charge you the full difference, if you want to get to your destination...
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Old Jul 7, 14, 12:39 pm
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Thanks!

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Old Jul 7, 14, 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by stinger101 View Post
Can someone else verify that my routing I booked doesn't violate cabotage? For some reason i'm second guessing my self. 1st two legs on TK. Last leg on UA.
it doesn't.
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Old Jul 7, 14, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Air Rarotonga View Post
That's very clever from LM, I guess they do it always this way with tric#ed tickets... They book you an overnight connection trough BOG and then the next day they cancel the flight and charge you the full difference, if you want to get to your destination...
I hope you accompanied that with a PM to the OP that you were joking. Otherwise the poor fellow might be very nervous now...
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