Jan 1, 2014, 5:17 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
NOTE: This thread has been superseded by the thread entitled LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it) Rebooted v2.0. Please follow the discussion there.
Region definitions
C1 North America
C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania
2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.
LifeMiles' Star Alliance Award Chart
Cash & Miles redemptions: buying the max (60%) isn't always the best deal (unless you're purchasing all miles right there). Check here for the best CPM.
Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).
Region definitions
C1 North America
C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania
2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.
LifeMiles' Star Alliance Award Chart
Cash & Miles redemptions: buying the max (60%) isn't always the best deal (unless you're purchasing all miles right there). Check here for the best CPM.
Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).
LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it)
May 14, 2014, 4:19 pm
#2371
Suspended
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York Metropolitan Area 45 km from JFK
Programs: UA,AA,AS,BA
Posts: 4,607
While not always, that routing does show up with some frequency
May 15, 2014, 1:47 am
#2374
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
Gee, I've gotten like a million PMs about my post.
I think I already gave two very important hints in my post about what airline it is and where it can start from. It cannot be forced and the availability is rather limited for the C1-C2 segment.
Either way, big savings if you choose just to eat the appetizer or the main course as well.
I think I already gave two very important hints in my post about what airline it is and where it can start from. It cannot be forced and the availability is rather limited for the C1-C2 segment.
Either way, big savings if you choose just to eat the appetizer or the main course as well.
May 15, 2014, 1:59 am
#2376
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Germany
Programs: IC Dia, Hyatt Globlist, Hilton Gold, Star Alliance Gold, Emirates Gold, BA Gold
Posts: 558
Got to love LM.
The emotion, the up and down, the disappearing then reappearing of odd and cheap routes. The dialogue. It's slightly addictive. The rudeness at times and the sheer panic when someone outs a route that's very important to an individual for comfort of travel.
I am convinced that most of us just like to find something quirky. Finding is almost as much ( I said almost) fun as getting it cheap and then flying it.
I need some candy and determined to do it before it goes away.
The emotion, the up and down, the disappearing then reappearing of odd and cheap routes. The dialogue. It's slightly addictive. The rudeness at times and the sheer panic when someone outs a route that's very important to an individual for comfort of travel.
I am convinced that most of us just like to find something quirky. Finding is almost as much ( I said almost) fun as getting it cheap and then flying it.
I need some candy and determined to do it before it goes away.
May 15, 2014, 2:08 am
#2377
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: CDG
Programs: TK Elite
Posts: 1,611
Got to love LM.
The emotion, the up and down, the disappearing then reappearing of odd and cheap routes. The dialogue. It's slightly addictive. The rudeness at times and the sheer panic when someone outs a route that's very important to an individual for comfort of travel.
I am convinced that most of us just like to find something quirky. Finding is almost as much ( I said almost) fun as getting it cheap and then flying it.
I need some candy and determined to do it before it goes away.
The emotion, the up and down, the disappearing then reappearing of odd and cheap routes. The dialogue. It's slightly addictive. The rudeness at times and the sheer panic when someone outs a route that's very important to an individual for comfort of travel.
I am convinced that most of us just like to find something quirky. Finding is almost as much ( I said almost) fun as getting it cheap and then flying it.
I need some candy and determined to do it before it goes away.
May 15, 2014, 4:42 am
#2378
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Valencia, Spain
Programs: Pascal and Python, no C++
Posts: 738
Got to love LM.
The emotion, the up and down, the disappearing then reappearing of odd and cheap routes. The dialogue. It's slightly addictive. The rudeness at times and the sheer panic when someone outs a route that's very important to an individual for comfort of travel.
I am convinced that most of us just like to find something quirky. Finding is almost as much ( I said almost) fun as getting it cheap and then flying it.
I need some candy and determined to do it before it goes away.
The emotion, the up and down, the disappearing then reappearing of odd and cheap routes. The dialogue. It's slightly addictive. The rudeness at times and the sheer panic when someone outs a route that's very important to an individual for comfort of travel.
I am convinced that most of us just like to find something quirky. Finding is almost as much ( I said almost) fun as getting it cheap and then flying it.
I need some candy and determined to do it before it goes away.
May 15, 2014, 10:00 am
#2379
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: EWR
Programs: Free agent flyer, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 365
Hopefully I'll be able to put all this knowledge to good use before it all (eventually) goes south.
May 15, 2014, 10:17 am
#2380
Join Date: Sep 2010
Programs: IC Royal Ambassador, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 486
Hah, I completely agree with this. I've actually never flown on a LM ticket, but I'm becoming obsessed with finding awesome routings and learning as much as I can about the program.
Hopefully I'll be able to put all this knowledge to good use before it all (eventually) goes south.
Hopefully I'll be able to put all this knowledge to good use before it all (eventually) goes south.
May 15, 2014, 11:13 am
#2381
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 1,470
Gee, I've gotten like a million PMs about my post.
I think I already gave two very important hints in my post about what airline it is and where it can start from. It cannot be forced and the availability is rather limited for the C1-C2 segment.
Either way, big savings if you choose just to eat the appetizer or the main course as well.
I think I already gave two very important hints in my post about what airline it is and where it can start from. It cannot be forced and the availability is rather limited for the C1-C2 segment.
Either way, big savings if you choose just to eat the appetizer or the main course as well.
May 15, 2014, 1:21 pm
#2382
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Manhattan Beach, California
Programs: BMI Diamond Club Gold forever
Posts: 6,367
Interested in the call noted one page back referring to DOT interest and cabotage.
There is clearly such geographic confusion at AV, but also just some bad coding.
In the scenario where the booking engine displays AAA-BBB-CCC where first and last segments are in the US and BBB is not, who is to say this is not an instant turn or OJ? I mean people buy AAA-BBB-AAA tickets w/ instant turns all the time for MRs. Is this just the way the fare is coded (as a one way) that brings cabotage into play? There are a staggering number of these that come up, many provide a cheap way to C4 but I think these are high risk of not being allowed to board.
In the scenario where AAA is in the US, BBB is not in the US and CCC is coded as US but not actually in the US, does cabotage apply? Is that the scenario that the poster was referring to? I've always thought this scenario is low risk once you get to the airport, but that if AV caught it, they might seek to cancel it.
There is clearly such geographic confusion at AV, but also just some bad coding.
In the scenario where the booking engine displays AAA-BBB-CCC where first and last segments are in the US and BBB is not, who is to say this is not an instant turn or OJ? I mean people buy AAA-BBB-AAA tickets w/ instant turns all the time for MRs. Is this just the way the fare is coded (as a one way) that brings cabotage into play? There are a staggering number of these that come up, many provide a cheap way to C4 but I think these are high risk of not being allowed to board.
In the scenario where AAA is in the US, BBB is not in the US and CCC is coded as US but not actually in the US, does cabotage apply? Is that the scenario that the poster was referring to? I've always thought this scenario is low risk once you get to the airport, but that if AV caught it, they might seek to cancel it.
May 15, 2014, 3:59 pm
#2384
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: DFW
Programs: AS, BA, AA
Posts: 3,670
Before we get panic questions, the definition of cabotage is transport between two points in a single country by a foreign carrier. This means that it is NOT cabotage if:
1) a domestic carrier operates at least one segment
2) it is sold as an international ticket, where a foreign country is ticketed as a destination, or a significant stopover (i.e. longer than 24 hours according to the DOT). This is why same-day-turn mile runs on foreign carriers are not cabotage.
3) AAA-XXX-BBB is never cabotage if AAA and BBB are not in the same country.
1) a domestic carrier operates at least one segment
2) it is sold as an international ticket, where a foreign country is ticketed as a destination, or a significant stopover (i.e. longer than 24 hours according to the DOT). This is why same-day-turn mile runs on foreign carriers are not cabotage.
3) AAA-XXX-BBB is never cabotage if AAA and BBB are not in the same country.
I have this ticket in J involving 2 different companies which don't appear to have the same luggage allowance, one allows 2 bags, 32kg (70lbs) the other 3 bags, 23kg (50lbs).
The one I'll be boarding first is the 32kg one.
Considering this is me moving to the other end of the world, I would like to use the two 32kg luggages but I'm not sure how that works. If anyone can enlighten me.
The one I'll be boarding first is the 32kg one.
Considering this is me moving to the other end of the world, I would like to use the two 32kg luggages but I'm not sure how that works. If anyone can enlighten me.
Worst case, if you do need to claim and re-check, pack a lightweight collapsible third bag or box and roll of packing tape into one of your 32 kg bags, then redistribute the weight between three bags/boxes before you re-check.
In a side note, I agree with the people who disappointed at how far the thread has gone downhill in terms of coding in the last 5 or so pages. Really hope my post wasn't the cause.
If anyone wants edits, please PM me (or the original poster) and ask them to edit. Don't quote the offensive post!
Last edited by janetdoe; May 15, 2014 at 4:19 pm
May 15, 2014, 6:17 pm
#2385
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: LAX BUR
Programs: UA LM Airbnb
Posts: 396
can someone who has stopped short of c2.5 kindly pm regarding checking bags and "that changes everything"