Share trading halted [Asiana financial troubles]
According to Reuters,
The Korea Exchange has suspended trading in shares of Asiana Airlines Inc, after an auditor for South Korea’s second-biggest carrier said it lacked enough information to judge its value. |
Given that the local accounting firms are usually very, very cozy with the chaebols here, it means that the constant dumpster fire that is Asiana's finances has turned out to be something even worse.
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Originally Posted by corbomite
(Post 30916692)
Given that the local accounting firms are usually very, very cozy with the chaebols here, it means that the constant dumpster fire that is Asiana's finances has turned out to be something even worse.
"We can’t rule out the possibility of liquidity risks growing, as this undermines the credibility of its accounting information, and therefore its access to the capital market,” Moody’s Investor Service’s South Korean unit wrote in a note, saying it will consider lowering its rating of Asiana’s credit." |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 30919570)
PWC are the auditors. Asian Fails to Get Accounting Sign-Off. Article quotes Moody's:
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I imagine this has more to do with embezzling or misappropriation of funds from OZ to other Kumho Group ventures than an indication that Asiana suspending operations is imminent. Far more likely to suspend operations IMO is WOW Air.
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Originally Posted by buffegg
(Post 30921383)
Hmmm wonder if I should credit to Turkish instead of chasing lifetime gold with Asiana
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https://www.reuters.com/article/asia...-idUSL3N21D01H
Asiana Airlines Fettered by Excessive Aircraft Leasing Costs - ??????? - BusinessKorea This is sad, I think OZ has done a wealth of good for people who don't want to fly KE for personal reasons. With revised numbers hiking the debt to equity ratio, and rating agencies potentially downgrading to non-investment grades, it would create an impossible situation for OZ. Why lease that many planes though? |
Originally Posted by Gasolin
(Post 30931183)
https://www.reuters.com/article/asia...-idUSL3N21D01H
Asiana Airlines Fettered by Excessive Aircraft Leasing Costs - ??????? - BusinessKorea This is sad, I think OZ has done a wealth of good for people who don't want to fly KE for personal reasons. With revised numbers hiking the debt to equity ratio, and rating agencies potentially downgrading to non-investment grades, it would create an impossible situation for OZ. Why lease that many planes though? As such, leasing a high % of your a/c is not a problem (look at IndiGo, VietJet Air and so on). BTW, I assume we are talking about operating leases. Gives an airline a lot of flexibility, no need to arrange debt, possibly quicker access to growth capacity, reduces residual value risk etc. etc. Airlines can also make nice upfront profits from sale-and-leasebacks. Plus there is plenty of competition in the leasing market, so airlines can actually get some really attractive deals. Very few airlines globally are investment grade. I'm not sure whether local ratings (e.g. KIS) are 100% comparable to S&P, Fitch, Moody's. The Korean airline industry is very unique. |
Originally Posted by nanyang
(Post 30936074)
Some of those figures in that latter article simply do not make sense.
As such, leasing a high % of your a/c is not a problem (look at IndiGo, VietJet Air and so on). BTW, I assume we are talking about operating leases. Gives an airline a lot of flexibility, no need to arrange debt, possibly quicker access to growth capacity, reduces residual value risk etc. etc. Airlines can also make nice upfront profits from sale-and-leasebacks. Plus there is plenty of competition in the leasing market, so airlines can actually get some really attractive deals. Very few airlines globally are investment grade. I'm not sure whether local ratings (e.g. KIS) are 100% comparable to S&P, Fitch, Moody's. The Korean airline industry is very unique. |
Originally Posted by Gasolin
(Post 30938016)
KIS is Moody's. Not sure about the other one.
I recall KE and OZ had local ratings (KIS, KR, NICE) of A- / BBB+ (in that ballpark) a few years ago. By conventional credit metrics, can't imagine the big 3 would have rated them anywhere close. |
What are the comments of the Korean media ? How serious is risk of collapse ?
Do you think it's time to start crediting miles to other FFP ? |
Originally Posted by nanyang
(Post 30942018)
The point being local ratings are not necessarily comparable to the ratings of big 3.
I recall KE and OZ had local ratings (KIS, KR, NICE) of A- / BBB+ (in that ballpark) a few years ago. By conventional credit metrics, can't imagine the big 3 would have rated them anywhere close. |
Originally Posted by SPlDER
(Post 30942677)
What are the comments of the Korean media ? How serious is risk of collapse ?
Do you think it's time to start crediting miles to other FFP ? If Asiana goes down, the mother group Kumho will probably go down as well, hence the decision of the CEO. |
Originally Posted by SPlDER
(Post 30942677)
What are the comments of the Korean media ? How serious is risk of collapse ?
Do you think it's time to start crediting miles to other FFP ? |
Originally Posted by Gasolin
(Post 30942730)
KIS is MIS in Korea and they rate the Korean counterparties for Moody's so their rating is Moody's rating.
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