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Originally Posted by aulrik
(Post 16858473)
There are tons of buses traveling between Thailand and Cambodia and a lot of them are probably a bit risky. I have only used the buses catered for tourists that travel all the way between Bangkok and Phnom Penh.
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Originally Posted by andrewluu
(Post 16834859)
My friend just got back from Thailand and she said the Full Moon Party was an incredible experience.
I've been to Nha Trang in Vietnam and find it's a good mix of partying and scenery. Ha Long Bay in the north and Hoi An in the center of Vietnam are beautiful but the cities are more for relaxing. Yeah, there's close to 20,000 people that go. But, it is a lawless place and very dangerous to drink there. That is not "incredible" to smart people, unfortunately. My trip was 2 years ago. |
Originally Posted by Buccaneeratheart
(Post 16868622)
Nobody I have ever talked to (5 people) including me, would ever go back to Koh Phangan for the full moon party under any cirtcumstance. The boat trip out there is very risky, the amount of date rape by strangers is seismic, and nearly always 2 to 5 people die at each party and another 1 to 2 people in addition to that are never seen again.
Yeah, there's close to 20,000 people that go. But, it is a lawless place and very dangerous to drink there. That is not "incredible" to smart people, unfortunately. My trip was 2 years ago. |
Originally Posted by Buccaneeratheart
(Post 16868622)
Nobody I have ever talked to (5 people) including me, would ever go back to Koh Phangan for the full moon party under any cirtcumstance.
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Originally Posted by Buccaneeratheart
(Post 16868622)
The boat trip out there is very risky, the amount of date rape by strangers is seismic, and nearly always 2 to 5 people die at each party and another 1 to 2 people in addition to that are never seen again.
Yeah, there's close to 20,000 people that go. But, it is a lawless place and very dangerous to drink there. That is not "incredible" to smart people, unfortunately. My trip was 2 years ago. |
Let me put in a plug for Vietnam - a wonderful country that's changing fast. As long as you do a little research, Vietnam can be an excellent choice for a first trip to the area. The people are awesome and so is the food.
Wherever you go in SE Asia, you can't beat the advice you will get at Travelfish.org since this is the region of the world that they specialize in. |
You should go to Cambodia. Cambodia is perfectly safe. The temples of Angkor Wat outside Siem Reap are one of the most magnificent sights in the world.
Phnom Penh has good nightlife. Cambodian women swoon over 26 year old white guys, especially if you are not dressed like a dirt poor backpacker. If you have the money ($100 - $150 each way) you should fly between Bangkok and Cambodia, as the overland trip is an uncomfortable all day affair. I would recommend a circle trip Bangkok-Phnom Penh-Siem Reap-Bangkok in either order. Buses between Phnom Penh and Siem Reap are frequent, comfortable, take five hours. Here's a hilarious article I read on another website titled "Should American first time travelers visit Cambodia?" Has all the information you need: http://khmer440.com/k/2011/07/should...isit-cambodia/ I known the author of that article personally. He's a funny guy but has a weird obsession with frequent flyer miles. |
Originally Posted by Daawgon
(Post 16900123)
Let me put in a plug for Vietnam - a wonderful country that's changing fast. As long as you do a little research, Vietnam can be an excellent choice for a first trip to the area. The people are awesome and so is the food.
Personally, I thought the food was VERY bland (compared with Thai food). Vietnam is definitely a great place to visit and will only get better as they develop more areas. I would just caution the OP against visiting Vietnam for his first experience outside of the United States. The people are great, the prices are unbelievable (like Thailand was several years ago), and BIA HOI!!!!!!!!!! There are tourist scams everywhere in the world, but Vietnam was the worst I ever experienced. In the grand scheme of your life, it's not much money, but it kind of leaves you with a sour feeling. |
CrazyInteg - you are probably right. VN has changed so much - no scams at all during my first trip in 1993. Red tape and other hassles, yes. But scams, no. I stopped off in Bangkok for a day on my way to VN and got scammed there. So I've always felt VN is rather innocuous - but of course that's because it's become my second home. At first I didn't believe the stories I heard from tourists, but I now realise it's true - tourists do get scammed in VN and I agree that Hanoi is worse than Saigon. Most can be avoided with care - but as you say, for a first timer perhaps elsewhere is better. Either that, or go on a tour organised from home.
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It's very important to look at the weather charts for Aug - pretty dicey most of SE Asia usually. It could be 'cats & dogs' 'till Nov. You want good beach weather in Aug - go to Bali, Lombok, the Gilis etc. Cheap fares on Air Asia from BKK. Koh Samui is supposed to be fairly dry in Aug and a good option, but expensive for a short flight. Can take train or bus & ferry cheaply. Angkor Wat is a must see. BKK is safe and cheap. $30 will get you a decent room. Maybe stay near Khao San Rd (the backpacker district). Don't be afraid of street food (except for shellfish sitting in the sun w/no ice). Cambodia is pretty safe, just don't be walking around drunk late at night on the dark streets. Take tuk tuks & motos A to B for 1 or 2 $. Sihanoukville is a great beach town and super cheap, but in Aug in could be 'monsooning' bad. Flights BKK-PNH should only cost you $40- 50 max EW (not $100-150). Do your research 1st and you'll have a ball. wj
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+1 for the Philippines. The country is generally off the beaten track, so you'll have a bounty of sites to go to which are not as frequented as their other Southeast Asian counterparts. :D
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Originally Posted by CrazyInteg
(Post 16904354)
There are tourist scams everywhere in the world, but Vietnam was the worst I ever experienced. In the grand scheme of your life, it's not much money, but it kind of leaves you with a sour feeling.
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Originally Posted by CrazyInteg
(Post 16904354)
One reason that I do not recommend Vietnam for a first timer (the OP hasn't even left the US before!) is that there are soooooo many scams. I don't mean pick pockets or the like. I mean being told one thing, then seeing another. Being lied to. Overcharged.
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I have found Vietnam to be the most scam-oriented, chiseling-type of place vs anywhere else in mainland SE Asia. More than Thailand. However, if you do some advance research and stay alert, you can mostly avoid these scams and still have a good time. Whether an inexperienced traveler can do that...I don't know.
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Originally Posted by jiejie
(Post 16921870)
I have found Vietnam to be the most scam-oriented, chiseling-type of place vs anywhere else in mainland SE Asia. More than Thailand. However, if you do some advance research and stay alert, you can mostly avoid these scams and still have a good time. Whether an inexperienced traveler can do that...I don't know.
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