Is this the end??

 
Old Mar 24, 02, 8:44 am
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Is this the end??

Hi everyone,

It's looking like this forum is close to ending. I hope not. It may be the end of Ansett but surely there must be people out there with things to say.
Please dont let this forum die. I know you have all heard this beforebut it's still not over. Over for me, yes, but Ansett will be back in some shape or form. Dont give up hope just yet. It will take a while but there are things happening....again...in the Swanston St camp. Do you really think QF & DJ are going to be the only ones??

Hang in there guys, the domestic scene in Australia is about to get very interesting. Cant say much more as I have only a small amount of info, but you all have to be crazy to think..this is our domestic network. Wait, big things happening, not immediately but soon.
All I can say is I believe it when I see it, but think about it, what I have been told makes sense.

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Old Mar 24, 02, 9:59 pm
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I don't believe for a moment that AU will be left with only DJ & QF. I too have heard snippets of gossip.

That final trip report will be coming in the not to distant future.

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Justin
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Old Mar 24, 02, 10:14 pm
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Well gee guys, don't TEASE us!!! Share the goss!!! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Personally whatever might be afoot, or dreamed to be afoot, I think surely is a fool's venture??? I mean, not even SQ with it's financial and operational might would dare rush in against QF and DJ.

Or would they?

Gaaaa!! It's all too much I can't bear it!

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Old Mar 24, 02, 11:08 pm
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What about QF buying a stake in NZ followed by SQ buying BA's 22.3% stake in QF and QF jumping ships from OW to *?

People said that the AN fleet mix killed them - have a look at the QF one as it will stand at the end of the year. BAe146 717 733 734 738 762PW 763GE 767RR 743 744RR 744GE 332 332 not to mention the oddballs like NLH. Surely now is the time to move in with a lean mean fighting machine - just when the opposition is at its biggest and most cumbersome. Not to mention the problems QF now has with the unions... they cant even get the unions to accept a wage freeze - just imagine what will happen when they try and cut wages.

I'd like to see nothing more than a reincarnated AN to emerge ... god have mercy on my credit card balance but I would absolutely cherish the day they get up in the air.

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Old Mar 25, 02, 4:39 am
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It is simple.

SQ have been playing the classic chinese waiting game. Buying NOW means there are no staff contingent liabilities attached to anything they wish to purchase. Go do that math. Those numbers are huge.
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Old Mar 25, 02, 5:04 am
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I'm racking my brain for what it could possibly be.

SQ is the solution that comes into my head, but it's hard to see that happening because SQ would be wary after a couple of bad investments.

A Star Alliance airline, with capital from each Star carrier is also coming into my mind, but a lot of the Star airlines are under severe financial pressure.

Skyteam might try an entry, but this is a long shot, Australia is crucial for feed, but no Skyteam member except for KE has Australian routes, so I see this as almost impossible.

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Old Mar 25, 02, 9:58 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by luftaom:
What about QF buying a stake in NZ followed by SQ buying BA's 22.3% stake in QF and QF jumping ships from OW to *?
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I can think of good reasons why this won't work. Consider you are SQ, and one of your main income streams is Australia-&gt;Asia/Europe. We know this is true to some extent because of SQ's continued interest in AN over the years mostly to feed SQ services and pull them away from QF.

In the suggested scenario, I doubt it is in SQ's interest to buy a stake in QF as it would be paying to draw traffic away from itself. QF won't leave oneworld because then the imbalance in the asia/southpac would swing way in favour of * (SQ, TG, NZ, UA, NH vs CX, BA/AA(minimal)).

I've heard some more on the matters that are afoot and it makes somewhat more sense than anything else.

Consider the above, SQ is desperate to recover that feed to/from SQ services and get back into the marketplace. Star Alliance overall also wants to get oz back on side.

Also consider the Administrators still have the AN International slots protected by the govt.

Also consider, SQ has spare a/c sitting around not going anywhere (not just the 2 ex-AN 744's but others).

QF is running rampant in domestic services, and Australian Airlines will cut into asia again, and take valuable pax away from SQ.

SQ can't hope to compete on domestic routes, not just because of government issues, but a 3rd airline would be crazy - even in a nice boomy economic environment which we don't have
right now. It's unlikely DJ will be any serious kind of feeder, despite recent discussions with NZ and SQ about a Star Alliance pax exchange system - DJ don't interline for one which is a pretty serious reason why it just wouldn't happen.

As has been suggested, SQ could buy up assets (including the slots of AN International) and start something as an as new concern, with lower costs and no entitlement burdens etc. SYD-HKG is something Star needs back, and needs back badly....

We'll see what happens I guess....

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Old Mar 25, 02, 7:02 pm
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Well I hope that whatever happens it will involve the Star alliance, as the big Roo is starting convert some long time Star corporates over to its way of thinking and this is not good for UA,NZ and SQ.
Sydney office know nothing and have heard nothing.

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Old Mar 25, 02, 10:14 pm
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Would a new international airline be really that profitable? SYD-HKG would be a good addition to Star, but what else could they offer? I guess NRT, but that's all I can think of. Maybe HNL.

Something is afoot here, but it seems that these alternatives aren't making all that much sense...maybe it's just me.
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Old Mar 27, 02, 2:50 am
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does this have anything to do with that "boutique airline" that SQ was rumoured to be starting up? And SQ Headquarters didn't deny was happening?
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