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Why does Acela even stop at BWI?
Not a COVID question, but prompted by just recently passing through and I’ve wondered this before.
Who is the target customer? Where are they going? Why do they need Acela vs. NER? I mean, if they’re going to PHL or NYC then why don’t they just fly into those airports?? Seems like an utter waste of time to stop here! |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 32756829)
Not a COVID question, but prompted by just recently passing through and I’ve wondered this before.
Who is the target customer? Where are they going? Why do they need Acela vs. NER? I mean, if they’re going to PHL or NYC then why don’t they just fly into those airports?? Seems like an utter waste of time to stop here! |
The fact is that -- pandemic aside -- it's a fairly busy stop and attracts both BWI fliers and others from the area.
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Fun fact: of the 16 stations served by the Acela, BWI is the 8th busiest for Amtrak traffic. Ahead of Wilmington, Newark, Boston Back Bay, among others.
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The way that Maryland highways are set up, it's much easier for passengers from both nearby suburbs and from outlying cities (Annapolis, Frederick) to reach BWI than either Washington Union or Baltimore Penn.
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Originally Posted by paytonc
(Post 32758282)
The way that Maryland highways are set up, it's much easier for passengers from both nearby suburbs and from outlying cities (Annapolis, Frederick) to reach BWI than either Washington Union or Baltimore Penn.
Mrs Bob H and I used to live in Rockville. MD and preferred to fly out of BWI. Also, it sometimes is cost effective to fly to BWI and take Amtrak to PHL -- particularly if you're going to Center City. Bob H |
Originally Posted by Mr. BoH
(Post 32758186)
Fun fact: of the 16 stations served by the Acela, BWI is the 8th busiest for Amtrak traffic. Ahead of Wilmington, Newark, Boston Back Bay, among others.
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Originally Posted by AndyPatterson
(Post 32768932)
Where does Amtrak publish that interesting statistic? I remember when Acela used to stop at the EWR train station, right across from the "Air Train" to EWR itself. But, not enough people must have made that connection, for Acela hasn't stopped at EWR in a decade or more.... people who want to take Amtrak to EWR have to get off at Newark, and connect there to Path, then to the Air Train. Not exactly encouraging for intermodal transportation.
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Originally Posted by AndyPatterson
(Post 32768932)
Where does Amtrak publish that interesting statistic? I remember when Acela used to stop at the EWR train station, right across from the "Air Train" to EWR itself. But, not enough people must have made that connection, for Acela hasn't stopped at EWR in a decade or more.... people who want to take Amtrak to EWR have to get off at Newark, and connect there to Path, then to the Air Train. Not exactly encouraging for intermodal transportation.
Is probably the easiest tool to dig through. Amtrak does publish quite a bit about its ridership especially on state supported routes. |
Originally Posted by Long Train Runnin
(Post 32769829)
https://www.railpassengers.org/tools...ip-statistics/
Is probably the easiest tool to dig through. Amtrak does publish quite a bit about its ridership especially on state supported routes. Apparently there must be 1 Acela train a day that stops in Trenton? Just under 10,000 Acela passengers annually board or disembark in Trenton. I was struck by the fact that WAS-NYP is 225 miles, while NYP-BOS is 231 miles, only 6 miles longer, but the NYP-BOS route can take an hour longer! All those curves along the coast must really slow it down. |
Originally Posted by Mr. BoH
(Post 32758186)
Fun fact: of the 16 stations served by the Acela, BWI is the 8th busiest for Amtrak traffic. Ahead of Wilmington, Newark, Boston Back Bay, among others.
For Acela service specifically, it looks like it ranks #12 out of #16 , between Stamford and New Haven. I didn't realize the point several folks have made about accessibility for the suburbs (I thought it was for airport only), but I still think they should stick to just Northeast Regional service, not Acela. Seems like all the Acelas are stopping there these days, though there aren't that many to begin with. |
It used to be every other Acela (weekdays) or thereabouts that stopped at BWI. Very useful and I used it several times from BOS. The slight time savings (and more pleasant cars) made the trip from BOS just into the realm of possibility versus a Regional, and BWI is much easier for almost all of Anne Arundel County.
(Of course, once B6 and WN started going head to head on BOS-BWI it was hard to pass up the airfares most of the time, at least back in the Before Times.) |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 32771090)
According to what I'm looking at, it's 8th busiest on the NEC in general.
For Acela service specifically, it looks like it ranks #12 out of #16 , between Stamford and New Haven. I didn't realize the point several folks have made about accessibility for the suburbs (I thought it was for airport only), but I still think they should stick to just Northeast Regional service, not Acela. Seems like all the Acelas are stopping there these days, though there aren't that many to begin with. |
It should also be noted that the RPA's stats are a third party analysis that makes some interesting assumptions around ridership at stations which are served by multiple routes.
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I remember reading somewhere asking more or less the same question (the exact question was, why Acela stops at BWI but not at EWR). I think the convincing answer was that old Metroliner stopped at BWI but not at EWR, so for historical reasons Acela had a regular stop at BWI but didn't stop at EWR. Now that Amtrak/UA relationship appears dead, not sure if Acela EWR stop will ever happen.
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