Points Expiration Changed to 24 Months

Old Apr 8, 19, 9:11 am
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Points Expiration Changed to 24 Months

I see in the new terms and conditions posted on April 3 that points now expire after 24 months rather than 36 - I'm surprised no one here is mentioned that yet. Methods for preventing expiration seem to still be the same - I might have to sign up for the credit card since I don't have any rail trips planned in the near future (even though I'm not really a fan of Bank of America).
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Old Apr 8, 19, 1:09 pm
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Old Apr 8, 19, 1:27 pm
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Old Apr 8, 19, 8:26 pm
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Called Amtrak. They say any point activities would make account active. You can redeem magazines, portal shopping. No expiration as long as you keep Amtrak credit card.

Going to open a CC to keep points active. Not sure if there is any more Amtrak transfer partner left....
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Old Apr 9, 19, 5:27 am
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Called Amtrak. They say any point activities would make account active. You can redeem magazines, portal shopping. No expiration as long as you keep Amtrak credit card.

Going to open a CC to keep points active. Not sure if there is any more Amtrak transfer partner left....
You can transfer Amtrak points to Choice Hotels, Hilton, and Audience Rewards, but only if youíre elite (Guest Rewards Select or Select Plus), or have the credit card with $20,000 or more in net retail spending that year: https://www.amtrak.com/guestrewards/...ransfer-points. It used to be just $200 in a year on Amtrak with the card, which was easy to achieve. Now itís basically impossible without elite status if the Amtrak credit card is just for keeping your account active and not your primary spending card.

You can transfer from Choice Privileges to Amtrak though without any status at either. So, indirectly, you can transfer AmEx Membership Rewards points to Amtrak since you can transfer them to Choice. (I havenít looked too closely into the value though so I donít know if itís a good deal to do it that way.)
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Old Apr 9, 19, 7:07 am
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Originally Posted by strickerj View Post
You can transfer Amtrak points to Choice Hotels, Hilton, and Audience Rewards, but only if youíre elite (Guest Rewards Select or Select Plus), or have the credit card with $20,000 or more in net retail spending that year: https://www.amtrak.com/guestrewards/...ransfer-points. It used to be just $200 in a year on Amtrak with the card, which was easy to achieve. Now itís basically impossible without elite status if the Amtrak credit card is just for keeping your account active and not your primary spending card.

You can transfer from Choice Privileges to Amtrak though without any status at either. So, indirectly, you can transfer AmEx Membership Rewards points to Amtrak since you can transfer them to Choice. (I havenít looked too closely into the value though so I donít know if itís a good deal to do it that way.)
I still get more than 25k points. So it is a big chunk. The points are still valuable, but we just do not use Amtrak so often.

I think the best way is just to open the credit card. Even the no fee card can keep the points active, never expire.
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Old Apr 9, 19, 7:09 am
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It takes so long to get points geez. I use them four times a month still in the few thousands point range. Ugh 😑 pointless.
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Old Apr 9, 19, 9:16 am
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Transferred points out

I just transferred all my points to Aeroplan (Air Canada).
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Old Apr 9, 19, 10:02 pm
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Wonder what AGR will do with accounts that are say, 31 months from the last activity. Instant points expiration?
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Old Apr 10, 19, 7:44 am
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Wonder what AGR will do with accounts that are say, 31 months from the last activity. Instant points expiration?
Last activity in my wife's account was 25 months ago. As of this morning, her points are still there. Looks like AGR is handling this the way they should (i.e., not instantly expiring those accounts). But it's not really clear what they're doing, and I'm nervous that those points could disappear at any moment. So my to-do list for today includes figuring out a way to get some activity in that account quickly.

Any suggestions for a quick, cheap way to get activity in the account?
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Old Apr 10, 19, 3:33 pm
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Ugh. That's lame. I mean, I guess I could make use of mine, but not very good use. Just an early-morning jaunt to DC that only costs like $19 anyway.
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Old Apr 11, 19, 3:38 pm
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Originally Posted by roberton View Post
Last activity in my wife's account was 25 months ago. As of this morning, her points are still there. Looks like AGR is handling this the way they should (i.e., not instantly expiring those accounts). But it's not really clear what they're doing, and I'm nervous that those points could disappear at any moment. So my to-do list for today includes figuring out a way to get some activity in that account quickly.

Any suggestions for a quick, cheap way to get activity in the account?
If you're in DC as your profile suggests, the best way is probably to book a one-way ticket to New Carrollton or Alexandria from Union Station and then take metro back to your starting point.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 8:20 am
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If you're in DC as your profile suggests, the best way is probably to book a one-way ticket to New Carrollton or Alexandria from Union Station and then take metro back to your starting point.
It seems like just buying points would make more sense: it's about the same price, and a lot less hassle. Am I missing something?

Edit: it looks like the rules used to require you to actually earn points by taking a train trip in order to prevent expiration. But it appears that under the new rules, earning or redeeming any points is sufficient. If I'm right about that, then taking a short trip was great advice under the old rules, but not necessary anymore.

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Old Apr 17, 19, 7:51 pm
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I got the “you’ve got 120 days notice” as a result of this change.

~1200 orphaned miles.
I don’t live in the US.

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Old Apr 18, 19, 5:55 pm
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Originally Posted by shuuy View Post
I got the ďyouíve got 120 days noticeĒ as a result of this change.

~1200 orphaned miles.
I donít live in the US.

Advice on best use?
Not really.
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