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Changes to Amtrak Guest Rewards in 2016

Amtrak Guest Rewards (AGR) underwent numerous changes beginning on January 24, 2016. This wiki attempts to provide a summary of those changes (and Amtrak's ongoing unannounced revisions of the rules). For additional details, see the Amtrak website.

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Earning Status
As in the past, members earn Tier Qualifying Points (TQP) for paid travel at the rate of 2 TQP per dollar. With the 2016 changes, however, AGR has eliminated
  • the 100 TQP minimum (so fares under $50 earn fewer TQP), and
  • the Acela "select city pairs" TQP minimums for Business class (formerly 500 TQP) and First class (formerly 750 TQP); see post #83
In addition, AGR now provides new class-of-service TQP bonuses: 25% for qualifying travel in Business class and 50% for qualifying travel in Acela First class. (As noted below, passengers will also earn redeemable AGR points in the same amount.)

The number of TQP required to earn status remains the same:
  • Select - 5,000 TQP
  • Select Plus - 10,000 TQP
  • Select Executive - 20,000 TQP
Benefits for each status level, including the Tier Bonus on cash fares (see below), remain the same.
Earning AGR Points Redeemable for Travel
Members continue to earn redeemable AGR points for paid travel (except as discussed below in this section) at the rate of 2 points per dollar, plus a new 25% point bonus for qualifying travel in Business class and 50% for qualifying travel in Acela First class. Sleeper-car tickets do not earn a bonus.

With the 2016 changes, however, AGR eliminates
  • the 100 point minimum (so fares under $50 earn fewer points), and
  • the Acela "select city pairs" minimums for Business class (previously 500 points) and First class (previously 750 points)
In addition to base points, members with status continue to earn Tier Bonus redeemable AGR points (i.e., not TQP) at the same level as in 2015:
  • Select - 25%
  • Select Plus - 50%
  • Select Executive - 100%
As was the case before, members do not earn points for Amtrak 7000-series Thruway services or the Canadian portion of joint Amtrak/VIA Rail Canada services.
Redeeming for Travel
For 2016, redemption rules have changed drastically. AGR has discontinued its fixed-point awards and zone system, transitioning instead to a revenue-based system. Under the new program, the points required for an award ticket--including multi-ride tickets and monthly passes--are, with some exceptions noted below, proportional to the cash price of the ticket.

In general, an AGR point is worth roughly 2.9 cents for non-Acela travel and 2.56 cents for Acela. (For example, 5,141 points are redeemable for a WAS-NYP regional one-way $149 ticket.) However, several new restrictions result in a lower yield for award redemptions:
  • Minimum award pricing: Regardless of the cash fare, a non-Acela award ticket costs a minimum of 800 AGR points. As a result, using AGR points for such tickets with a cash price under $24 (e.g., LNC-PHL or BWI-WAS) results in lower yields.

    Acela award tickets cost a minimum of 4,000 points. Using AGR points for Acela tickets costing less than $103 results in lower yields.

  • No redemption for Saver awards: Per AGR's FT representative, members cannot redeem points for tickets at the least-expensive Saver rate. For instance, even if a $52 Saver WAS-NYP cash fare is available, points can be used only to purchase tickets at the equivalent of an $86 Value fare or higher (resulting in a yield of 1.75 cents/point at best).

  • Peak travel dates/times: As discussed below under "Blackout Dates," Amtrak has quietly introduced a "peak travel" penalty in which certain high-demand itineraries (not published in advance) will cost 50% or even 100% more points than would normally correspond to the available cash fare.

  • Most discount fares inapplicable: Under the 2016 program, AGR points are redeemable for tickets based only on the Adult or Child price, and not at the equivalent of Senior, AAA, or other discounted fares. (See post #83.)

  • As was the case before, members may not redeem points for Amtrak 7000-series Thruway services or the Canadian portion of joint Amtrak/VIA Rail Canada services.
Note: Reward tickets booked before 1/24/16 are subject to the new redemption policy if modified or canceled on or after that date.

Redemption options: With the 2016 changes, AGR members are able to redeem points for multi-ride tickets or monthly passes as well as standard one-way & round-trip tickets.

Sleeper-car travel: The number of points required for sleeper-car travel is calculated using the prevailing fare, which reflects the actual number of passengers occupying the room. Amtrak assesses a single accommodation charge for the room, plus one adult/child rail fare per occupant.

Auto Train travel: Members are able to redeem points for Auto Train travel using the same process as for other itineraries. Vehicle(s) are priced the same as other portions of the itinerary per standard Amtrak Auto Train policies. Priority Vehicle Offloading may not be redeemed using points.

Credit card rebate: Holders of either new Bank of America co-branded credit card (see below) receive a 5% points rebates on Amtrak award tickets. This is the same as the benefit offered by the recently discontinued Chase card.

Blackout dates eliminated: On the plus side, AGR will eliminate award redemption blackout dates and Acela time-of-day restrictions. When the 2016 changes were announced, AGR claimed that blackout dates were being eliminated. As of January 24, 2016, the AGR website still makes that claim. Unfortunately, it is a lie.

On January 24--the day the new program changes took effect--AGR Insider posted new information making clear that the blackout-date policy has not been abandoned:
you may find limited availability on peak travel dates or times and it is possible that not every seat will be available for redemption. When redeeming points for trips during peak travel dates and times, some itineraries may be available only to our Select Plus and Select Executive members.
Amtrak quietly added similar language to the website in early February 2016. The website also indicates that the point costs for "peak travel" dates and times may be increased in addition to any increase resulting resulting from a higher cash fare. To date, additional points costs of 50% and 100% have been observed on certain itineraries.

Under the old program rules, AGR published an advance list of blackout dates. AGR has provided no public information specifying the "peak travel dates or times" when general members are charged additional points or blacked out entirely from redeeming for travel.

Cancellation penalties: Canceling or modifying a standard ticket incurs an automatic 10% penalty. Doing so less than 24 hours in advance for non-sleeper tickets (or 14 days for sleeper-car travel) results in a "close-in" penalty of an additional 10% (i.e., a total penalty of 20%) for most travelers; however, this additional 10%/close-in penalty does not apply to Select Executive members.

No-shows result in 100% forfeiture for the missed segment, as well as cancellation and forfeiture for any later segments on the same itinerary. (As a result, it is less risky to book round-trip travel as two separate one-way tickets and, where possible, to book passengers individually rather than on a single shared ticket.)

For multiple-segment tickets, you can cancel the remainder even after travel begins. Thus, on a round-trip ticket you can cancel the return leg even if you have already begun the outbound leg.
CAUTION: The new policy is worded to imply that reservation "modification" and "cancellation" are treated differently. A "modification" ostensibly triggers a penalty only of "any fare difference returned to member," implying that changing to a more expensive fare should involve no penalty and changing to a less expensive fare should be subject to a penalty only on the refunded points difference.

Unfortunately, there are now multiple reports that there is no difference in practice: AGR is treating any change as a full cancellation and rebooking, and penalizing accordingly. This includes asking to be rebooked in a different room on the same train (at the same price), changing dates, or altering routing. It is unclear how the new policy will be applied to travel affected by service disruptions such as weather-related train cancellations.
For complete details on the 2016 change rules, including the special rules for multi-ride tickets and monthly passes, see the AGR website.

Points & cash redemption: AGR has indicated that a points+cash redemption option will be introduced in 2016. No details are available, and it is unclear how this will work with respect to earning TQP and redeemable points.
Points Expiration
AGR altered its expiration policy, which previously required paid travel once every 36 months. Effective August 27, 2015, any points-earning or redemption activity will reset the 36-month clock. Effective April 2019, points expire after 24 months of inactivity.
As today, AGR MasterCard cardholders' points will not expire as long as their credit card accounts are open. AGR has moved its co-branded credit card relationship to Bank of America, which now offers two different versions of the card, including one with no annual fee. All Chase AGR MasterCards were converted to Chase Freedom cards on September 30, 2015.
Post-Rollout Issues/Unknowns
  • Class-of-service bonuses have been posting initially as non-TQPs, although subsequent data points suggest there is currently a delay of ~12 days in proper crediting.
  • Agents have claimed that any change incurs the 10/20% penalty (up to and including asking for a changed room assignment) on the full value of the ticket, rather than just anything involving a reduction in price being penalized 10/20% on the changed portion

It remains unclear whether these are merely IT errors or unannounced program devaluations, particularly as in some cases the contradict explicitly stated terms and conditions.
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Old Feb 1, 2016, 10:42 pm
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Originally Posted by AlanB
I'm hoping that the above bolded & underlined sentence is still correct & hasn't been changed and that the recent posting to my account is the result of a computer issues during rollout of the new program.

But my recent trip this past Sunday did not count the 25% BC bonus as TQP's, it only posted as points earned.
Was hoping I wasn't the only one as have a similar issue with a recent posting since the new program went into effect 24 Jan:

Date Description Earned TQPs
01/25/2016 First Class Type Bonus 202
01/25/2016 Select Plus Point Bonus 202
01/25/2016 (BBY) - (NYP) 404 404
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Old Feb 2, 2016, 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by aptusboy
Was hoping I wasn't the only one as have a similar issue with a recent posting since the new program went into effect 24 Jan:

Date Description Earned TQPs
01/25/2016 First Class Type Bonus 202
01/25/2016 Select Plus Point Bonus 202
01/25/2016 (BBY) - (NYP) 404 404
Once I went in and quoted your post I saw the columns, but it wasn't clear at first glance. Yeah, this seems to be endemic. I'm still holding out some hope this is a nasty error (and all of the stated issues are necessarily for the few days after the changeover) but the longer we go without some sort of official statement that there's a bug that's being fixed the less hopeful I get.
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Old Feb 2, 2016, 2:01 pm
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Do we still need to spend $200 to transfer points to hotels?
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Old Feb 2, 2016, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by UA Fan
Do we still need to spend $200 to transfer points to hotels?
As far as I can discern from the AGR website,
  • any member can redeem AGR points for Starwood free-night certs, but
  • only Select members and above can transfer AGR points to Hilton or Choice hotels.

The website says nothing about any minimum required spending on Amtrak travel--at least, not that I could find.
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Old Feb 2, 2016, 9:17 pm
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This is flat out disgusting... makes the web developer in me really ticked off with this bogus rollout... Gotta love the "No Price" displays for every train next friday NYP-BOS! Including the "only 3 seats left" under one of the trains! FYI Amtrak - No Price means free! Perhaps instead you should display "tough luck" - it would be a heck of a lot more accurate! Looks like I'm going to be on the airlines for this trip...

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Old Feb 3, 2016, 7:09 am
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I was hoping to share some insights on how my recent travel posted, but it's now been 8 days since I did Acela FC and nothing posted on AGR. Fingers crossed they are trying to fix the problem now
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 8:01 am
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Wow, just checked a typical Friday afternoon trip for me and there are several "No Prices." I almost never travel on Blackout days so thought the end of Blackouts was nice but NBD for me. But now, not only is that not a reality, I am blacked out of any ordinary Friday afternoon unless I book way in advance??? The point of AGR for me was booking a trip last minute and not breaking the bank. Now, not only is it more points, on some days I can't even book at all? Makes me really angry that a. this is now the case and b. it was sold to us as an improvement.
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 2:36 pm
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It was clear from the get-go that the "improvements" we're 100% spin. Granted I wasn't expecting this many switcheroos but it doesn't surprise me at all.

Sad day for Amtrak, really. Wonder how much money they will "make" with this change.
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 6:07 am
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I did a NHV-NYP segment in Acela First for $76, and received 152 TQPs/redeemable points plus a Select Plus Points Bonus of an additional 76 redeemable points (but not TQPs). Is the issue being reported above that I was supposed to also get TQPs for the Select Plus Points Bonus? So I should have received 3x fare TQPs instead of 2x fare?

EDIT: Oh, I think I get it now. The issue has nothing to do with the Select Plus Points Bonus, but rather that I should have received an extra 76 TQPs as the 50% TQP bonus for First Class travel. But regardless, the outcome is that for First Class travel, regardless of AGR status, we should be getting 3x fare TQPs. Is that correct?

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Old Feb 4, 2016, 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by physioprof
I did a NHV-NYP segment in Acela First for $76, and received 152 TQPs/redeemable points plus a Select Plus Points Bonus of an additional 76 redeemable points (but not TQPs). Is the issue being reported above that I was supposed to also get TQPs for the Select Plus Points Bonus? So I should have received 3x fare TQPs instead of 2x fare?

EDIT: Oh, I think I get it now. The issue has nothing to do with the Select Plus Points Bonus, but rather that I should have received an extra 76 TQPs as the 50% TQP bonus for First Class travel. But regardless, the outcome is that for First Class travel, regardless of AGR status, we should be getting 3x fare TQPs. Is that correct?
Correct. Since you're Select Plus and the fare is $76, you should get:
-152 points (TQP) base fare
-76 points (TQP) class-of-service bonus
-76 points (non-TQP) status bonus
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by GrayAnderson
Correct. Since you're Select Plus and the fare is $76, you should get:
-152 points (TQP) base fare
-76 points (TQP) class-of-service bonus
-76 points (non-TQP) status bonus
I sure hope they fix this!
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 11:59 am
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It's been 9 days since I had a FC acela ride and points haven't posted... hopefully this means they are busy fixing these problems!
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 8:56 am
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Originally Posted by uppereastsider
It's been 9 days since I had a FC acela ride and points haven't posted... hopefully this means they are busy fixing these problems!
Spoke to an AGR agent last night, and she said they are aware of this and are working on fixing it.
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 11:26 am
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Originally Posted by physioprof
Spoke to an AGR agent last night, and she said they are aware of this and are working on fixing it.
With apologies for asking for clarification, your pronoun there is painfully vague. What is the "it" to which you refer?
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by GrayAnderson
With apologies for asking for clarification, your pronoun there is painfully vague. What is the "it" to which you refer?
Failure to post class-of-service bonus TQPs.
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