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Originally Posted by EnhancedByCO
(Post 19717736)
Interestingly, if you run the barcode through a decoder app all it contains is your reservation number and (first?) date of travel. So either Amtrak has gone truly ticketless on their back-end system, or the ticket numbers are strictly used internally.
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Originally Posted by nerd
(Post 19720095)
Can you explain what this means?
Originally Posted by EnhancedByCO
(Post 19717736)
Interestingly, if you run the barcode through a decoder app
Originally Posted by EnhancedByCO
(Post 19717736)
all it contains is your reservation number and (first?) date of travel
Originally Posted by EnhancedByCO
(Post 19717736)
So either Amtrak has gone truly ticketless on their back-end system
With the advent of CRSes (computer reservation systems) and the installation of GDS terminals in travel agencies around the world, the process of finding flights and placing reservations was streamlined a great deal, but you still had to pay your travel agent and get a paper ticket issued to provide when boarding (remember the boarding passes that said "FLIGHT COUPON REQUIRED"?), which the airline's accounting department then settled against the electronic reservation record. Then, a couple of decades ago, the concept of the e-ticket came about, and the ticket details then remained stored in an electronic record. Still, aside from not having to physically present the ticket during the boarding process, the process remains the same: the reservation is created, the ticket is issued, the boarding pass is created, and then after the flight, the ticket is settled against the reservation. Really, though, there's no reason there needs to be so many steps. It is this way because the airlines are still using the same 1960s-era mainframe-based legacy CRSes they always have, and it was a lot simpler and cheaper to modify the existing systems to deal with electronic records than to overhaul the entire system. All of the steps of the process you see during a modern day airline transaction correspond directly to manual steps of the process in the olden days. For more on that, check this thread out and read the next four posts. If someone were creating an airline from scratch in the modern era (and didn't have to worry about integrating it with other, existing carriers and the messes created by interlining and codesharing and plating a ticket on one carrier for a flight on a different carrier and all of that), it would actually be fairly simple to program a system that just lets you book a flight. You'd receive a receipt that shows you're booked on the flight, and a quick verification of the receipt's validity would let you get on the plane. You could entirely skip the whole process of issuing a ticket and generating a boarding pass and ensuring that the reservation data and ticket data are in sync and all of that. That would be a ticketless system. But it would represent a wholesale change in the way the reservation system works, and I'm pretty confident Amtrak didn't reinvent the wheel. (We would know about it if they did.)
Originally Posted by EnhancedByCO
(Post 19717736)
or the ticket numbers are strictly used internally.
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Originally Posted by jackal
(Post 19720434)
What what means?
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Originally Posted by jackal
(Post 19720434)
The whole two-part system of "reservations and tickets" is really a relic of the ancient days of travel--before electronic ticketing became popular.
As I like to joke, airlines are so innovative that they were one of the the first commercial users of computer technology way back in the 1950s (the contract establishing American Airline's partnership with IBM to develop SABRE was signed in 1957)--they just haven't been able to afford to upgrade since. That may be an exaggeration, but the reality is that no matter how many upgrade iterations a CRS goes through, it generally needs to retain backwards-compatible functionality because there are so many other systems out there that interface with it (including the GDSes). Thus the need to keep the bifurcated reservation/ticket scheme even though we now live in a (theoretically) 100% e-ticket world. And although ARROW was developed specifically for Amtrak, it still was built for an (airline) paper ticket world--after all, I believe ARC-affiliated travel agents can still issue paper "flight coupons" (aka tickets) to this day for use on Amtrak. |
surprise eVoucher
I took a special (1171) from BOS to NRO on Thanksgiving morning, and came back up on the Twilight Shoreliner (66) from NYP to BOS this morning, together on a multicity eTicket (my first eTicket).
66 got in to Boston around 7:50am. At 2:46pm, Amtrak emailed me an eVoucher, saying: Your reservation was modified because of one or more no-show passengers. All remaining space reserved for the no-show passenger(s) has been canceled (including additional segments for later travel). An electronic voucher (eVoucher) was created to hold the value of the unused travel (excluding any fees or penalties). This eVoucher may be used as payment toward future Amtrak travel. Is this a common failure? I wonder how many of these eVouchers they give out to passengers who actually took the travel as expected. I'm not sure if I should call them and let them know, or just take it as a windfall. Thoughts? |
Originally Posted by jackal
(Post 19719708)
You may be right. I've only had experience with weird issues on unreserved trains (Keystone and Surfliner). On the Keystone, I'm usually using tickets for vastly different dates than I've purchased them for, which would understandably make it hard for them to look up my information in an area of bad coverage.
No idea what happened with the Surfliner trip yesterday--I was traveling on the exact train I had chosen during the booking process. (In fact, I showed up at the Santa Fe depot early enough to take the next earlier train, but when I saw it was using the single-level Horizon/Amfleet equipment, I went across the street to Starbucks and worked for an hour and a half until my originally-booked train, which (fortunately) had the bi-level Surfliner cars in its consist. As an aside, I picked a rear-facing seat in one of the Surfliner cars, figuring that the lone Superliner car in the consist would not be outfitted with wifi and power. I walked through the Superliner car later and was shocked to discover that not only did it have a strong wifi signal, it also had two power outlets per seat, compared to the single outlet per seat in the Surfliner cars! Lesson learned for next time. :) |
Never did get a call back from the refund department, but my refund just appeared... not very good communication and took way too long, but the refund is complete.
They need to reengineer the refund process!
Originally Posted by AlanB
(Post 19714879)
I'd call and ask the agent for a transfer to Customer service, let them deal with it. Not a regular agent.
I'm not even sure if Amtrak bothers to participate in the BBB, so there is probably very little that the BBB can do. Even if Amtrak participated, the BBB is still very limited in what they can do. |
Building on this point....could use some insights from the pros here re: Amtrak ticketing systems.
I also need to "top off" AGR points (500 mile pairs) and was thinking of booking NYP-WAS at 8am (scheduled arrival in WAS at 10:45am) However- Could I: 1. Buy and use the NYP-WAS ticket (8am - 10:45am) 2. Get off early in PHL in 9:10am 3. Buy and use a separate WAS-NYP ticket (8am departure) and board in PHL at 9:33am to arrive at NYP at 10:46am (the same time I was originally supposed to arrive in WAS on my outbound ticket?) Will Amtrak's systems allow me to book and pay for overlapping tickets like this? If so, would there be any reason not to get the 1000 AGR points (and ~3 hours of time back)?
Originally Posted by PHLviaUS
(Post 19443488)
An article about e-ticketing in this month's Trains magazine says that Amtrak is now allowing two hours between departure from the ticketed station and the scan before the reservation is cancelled. The reason stated was to permit boarding at a station down the line. It is not confirmed (as in someone trying), but it sounds like this problem may be solved.
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Originally Posted by mohan12
(Post 19758071)
Building on this point....could use some insights from the pros here re: Amtrak ticketing systems.
I also need to "top off" AGR points (500 mile pairs) and was thinking of booking NYP-WAS at 8am (scheduled arrival in WAS at 10:45am) However- Could I: 1. Buy and use the NYP-WAS ticket (8am - 10:45am) 2. Get off early in PHL in 9:10am 3. Buy and use a separate WAS-NYP ticket (8am departure) and board in PHL at 9:33am to arrive at NYP at 10:46am (the same time I was originally supposed to arrive in WAS on my outbound ticket?) Will Amtrak's systems allow me to book and pay for overlapping tickets like this? If so, would there be any reason not to get the 1000 AGR points (and ~3 hours of time back)? As someone stated elsewhere: Amtrak doesn't care if you get off the train before your stop, but they do care if you get off before the train stops! |
I don't know the answer but I loved this post and the way you think!
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Originally Posted by RogerD408
(Post 19759915)
I don't think you will have any issues. It appears the AGR system does not really care about miss-matched tickets. I do the SAC RNO run quite a bit and they usually have my return posted as happening before my departure! It turns out they post LD trains as of it's departure from origin and not your boarding. So since the CZ leaves CHI three days before it leaves RNO, my ticket posts as of the CHI date.
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There was one publicly reported incidence of a "force lift", and that occurred on the San Joaquin bus network over Thanksgiving. Because they were running extra sections on the LA-Bakersfield, Sacramento-Stockton, and a few of the other runs, rather than give the extra bus operators scanners Amtrak force lifted all bus tickets for that weekend, on the Thurway buses affected. Drivers were just asked to look at ticket stubs and not collect anything. Unfortunately, this reinforces the need to cancel unused tickets before departure, to avoid force lifting.
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Computer Sweep for Conflicting Reservations
Maybe the pax could book the 2nd reservation with a middle initial, and not add the AGR# until right at departure time, so to the system they look less alike.
Also do you know anything about when and how this Amtrak conflicting reservation sweep procedure works? For instance does it run every night, or several times a day? Since Amtrak does not readily allow same day changes, like Southwest, I could see pax on occaision might book more than 1 train, and then just refund the unused tickets or use the unused ticket value for later travel (like on Southwest). For instance your traveling NYP to WAS but you don't know wht time you actually want to or would be ready to leave NYP. Also I wonder if Amtrak will ever be able to do standby like the airlines especially at bigger stations. Wonder too how high the no show factor is since at least in past you could get a refund or re-use the funds without penalty fee. |
Originally Posted by jetsetter
(Post 19966326)
Maybe the pax could book the 2nd reservation with a middle initial, and not add the AGR# until right at departure time, so to the system they look less alike.
Originally Posted by jetsetter
(Post 19966326)
Also do you know anything about when and how this Amtrak conflicting reservation sweep procedure works? For instance does it run every night, or several times a day?
Originally Posted by jetsetter
(Post 19966326)
Also I wonder if Amtrak will ever be able to do standby like the airlines especially at bigger stations. Wonder too how high the no show factor is since at least in past you could get a refund or re-use the funds without penalty fee.
Don't see a standby list happening, at least not until Acela ticketing is handled in the way it was originally intended; if that ever happens. Originally Amtrak, when Acela was first introduced, was working on a system whereby anyone no-showing would be indicated in ARROW and that seat would go back on the market for stations further up the line. Even if they ever implement that in the future, I don't see a standby list being maintained, most likely in today's electronic age you'd just keep checking to see if seats suddenly go on sale. |
UA codeshare - how to?
Originally Posted by 21A
(Post 19166503)
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 4.1.1; en-us; Galaxy Nexus Build/JRO03C) AppleWebKit/534.30 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/534.30)
Discovered today that UA code share segments do print as e-tickets. (You can even get the PDF sent to you if you call and ask; I don't have an iPhone so I couldn't try the app route but seems likely that works, too.) One point to note is that you can only use the lookup by UA flight number the first time; after that, you have to use the Amtrak PNR to reprint. |
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