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mbreuer Nov 5, 2008 7:08 am

plat changes; increase fees; int rates; shortened payment schedule
 
Guess I won't be using Amex abroad. :td:
In today's statement:


Transactions Made in Foreign Currencies
Effective January 11, 2009, the bolded clause in the Transactions Made in Foreign Currencies section of your Agreement is replaced with the
following:
"in each instance increased by 2.7%."

Late Fees
We are changing the day upon which late fees may first be assessed as a result of late payment. If you have not paid the Amount Due on this
statement before the 20th day after the Closing Date of your next statement, you will be assessed a $35 late fee (Iowa $15). For billing
periods that begin on or after December 2, 2008, we are replacing the Late Fees section of your Agreement with the following:
"If any portion of the Amount Due on a billing statement is not credited to your Account before the 20th day after the next Closing Date, we
may assess a fee of $35 (Iowa $15). In addition, if any portion of that Amount Due is not credited by the following Closing Date, we may
assess an additional fee in that same billing period of the greater of $35 or 2.99% of any amount past due (Iowa $15). If any amount past
due is not credited to your Account by successive Closing Dates, we may assess a fee equal to the greater of $35 or 2.99% of any amount
past due (Iowa $15)."

APR for Flexible Payment Features
For billing periods that begin on or after December 2, 2008, we are replacing the third sentence of subsection B of the Finance Charges section
of your Agreement with the following:
"Except as provided below, the APR is the Prime Rate plus 11.99%."
This is a variable rate. As of October 13, 2008, the Prime Rate plus 11.99% is an APR of 16.49% and a DPR of 0.0452%.

xolinlevh Nov 5, 2008 7:16 am

ouch what was the fee before? im going abroad next year for school......was thinking i might just use my US amex...

mbreuer Nov 5, 2008 7:30 am


Originally Posted by xolinlevh (Post 10644757)
ouch what was the fee before? im going abroad next year for school......was thinking i might just use my US amex...

Was 1% - this is a US amex. The notice was for my Platinum card, but it's likely to be for all Amex cards.

stratofortress Nov 5, 2008 7:46 am

I only use my Amex abroad if I have to pay for a Centurion Hotel. Otherwise, I use my PenFed Visa. PenFed doesn't charge a fee for those transaction, so there's only the 1% fee charged by Visa. PenFed also gives you 1.25% cash back on ALL transactions, which means you end up getting .25% back on all foreign transactions.

PenFed also has great customer service and will actually give you a servicable credit line ($50K in my experience).

dw Nov 5, 2008 9:04 am

Wasn't the FOREX charge previously 2% for AMEX? This is an unfortunate change. I try to use my Capital One card (no FOREX charge) when I travel abroad, but unfortunately FHR hotel stays need to be paid for using an AMEX.

Aaron01 Nov 5, 2008 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by dw (Post 10645900)
Wasn't the FOREX charge previously 2% for AMEX? This is an unfortunate change. I try to use my Capital One card (no FOREX charge) when I travel abroad, but unfortunately FHR hotel stays need to be paid for using an AMEX.

Mine was/is 2%

Maybe now is a good time to get the IDC

lmz00 Nov 5, 2008 8:27 pm

Does this mean we can't wait until the next closing date to pay our bills anymore?

Steve M Nov 5, 2008 11:12 pm


Originally Posted by lmz00 (Post 10654705)
Does this mean we can't wait until the next closing date to pay our bills anymore?

That would appear to be the case.

flyr16 Nov 6, 2008 6:02 am

Boy, the foreign currency/conversion fee really is just gouging. Other than canceling the card, or not using it abroad, does the card holder have any other option if they want still to use the card? I imagine none of this is negotiable with AMEX?

And, they are doing this to their so called "best customers?" Plat card holders?

AMEX just layed off 7,000 employees. Now these additional charges. The company must be doing really well . . . :eek:

kennycrudup Nov 6, 2008 6:11 am


Originally Posted by lmz00 (Post 10654705)
Does this mean we can't wait until the next closing date to pay our bills anymore?


Originally Posted by Steve M (Post 10656684)
That would appear to be the case.

Y'all sure? It's hard to tell but I think they're talking about paying after the current statement is 30 days closed, right?


before the 20th day after the Closing Date of your next statement
But yeah, if y'all are right on this, it does suck. I'm never over, but there's days when I'm within a couple of days.

sbm12 Nov 6, 2008 6:38 am

Here's my read on this line:

If any portion of the Amount Due on a billing statement is not credited to your Account before the 20th day after the next Closing Date, we may assess a fee
I have roughly 50 days from the closing date of any one statement to when I have to pay. That would be 20 days + the 30 days to get to the next closing date.

I don't think that is the part that is really changing.

The part that is changing seems to be that they are now going to charge a "fee" of $35 or 2.99% in addition to the interest due each month that you pay late, and there is a double hit of the fee at next close + 20 and 2nd next close dates, so if you pay your bill 65 days late you'll be destroyed with fees.

ryan182 Nov 6, 2008 2:05 pm

The FOREX change is redonkulous, I mean it was bad enough that there are some cards that only charge 1% and AMEX did 2% but to jack it to just about 3% is wrong.

FWIW the other cards that charge 2% its my understanding its 1%->Issuer and 1%->Visa/MC, which is why some cards only do 1% which is just paying the Visa/MC fee so with this change since Amex is the issuer and the processor if you will they are grabbing 2.7% vs 1% on Visa/MC. Thats over the top.

gum Nov 7, 2008 3:44 am

Most VISA and Mastercards of Germany charge between 1,75 and 2%
 
commision for any use in other than the own currency !!

Will look on my next statement if they change the commission in Europe too, I Think it's now 2 % . Was increased some years ago. :td:

As a great fan of Amex I will just look how this will develop.

One hint for all GERMAN cardholders which want to get foreign exchange commission free:
One bank, the Deutsche Postbank, offers a new kind of savings books. This savings book is a savings account not with the old traditional book ("Sparbuch") but in the new type of a Sparcard !
This Sparcard works anytime free of charge for wirthdrawal on "own" cash machines in the inland/domestic and TEN TIMES FOR WITHDRAWALS IN FOREIGN CURRENCY PER YEAR !! ^

Due to the fact that I don't want to get commissions for any recommendations, you can just search this by yourself in the internet offers of the Deutsche Postbank (postbank.de) or any German post office.

So this may be an alternative for any german based cardholder, especially to get smaller amounts of money for purchases.@:-)

Hope this helps.

X3Skier Nov 7, 2008 5:51 am

Stopped using AMEX abroad this year. My Credit Union charges no FOREX fees for ATM withdrawals and I use Capital One also with no FOREX fees for charges.

Cheers

RichardInSF Nov 7, 2008 2:30 pm


Originally Posted by X3Skier (Post 10672724)
Stopped using AMEX abroad this year. My Credit Union charges no FOREX fees for ATM withdrawals and I use Capital One also with no FOREX fees for charges.

Cheers

My previous credit union -- this is why I dropped them -- won't even let me use my card outside the US unless I call them before each and every trip. Given that I am out of the US for work a bunch of times a year, I just couldn't handle that annoyance. Is that restriction unique to the credit union I had been using?

X3Skier Nov 7, 2008 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by RichardInSF (Post 10678636)
My previous credit union -- this is why I dropped them -- won't even let me use my card outside the US unless I call them before each and every trip. Given that I am out of the US for work a bunch of times a year, I just couldn't handle that annoyance. Is that restriction unique to the credit union I had been using?

Might be as I know of several others that do not require notification every trip.

Cheers

damon88 Nov 10, 2008 10:46 am

Thanks for the heads up OP- I totally missed the notice on my statement.


I'm glad that my Prague MO visit is this month and not after January. Per the terms we must use our Cent cards.



We typically use our Starwood cards in Europe but may reconsider.


ETA- I will have to carefully consider this though. When we had a problem with a merchant in Italy Amex
assigned a special representative who went out of her way to resolve the issue. She saved us close to $1000.
The extra fee may be worth it to us.

alexcturner Nov 10, 2008 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by lmz00 (Post 10654705)
Does this mean we can't wait until the next closing date to pay our bills anymore?


Can anyone confirm anymore about this?

sbm12 Nov 10, 2008 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by alexcturner (Post 10706028)
Can anyone confirm anymore about this?

I do not think it is accurate at all. See my post above. Alas, I have not called to confirm it.

exiled2tx Nov 10, 2008 5:40 pm

Interesting observation from yesterday's Platinum bill:

My billing cycle typically ends on the 8th or 9th. Normally the due date is listed on the bill / website as the 22nd or 23rd (I know that you can pay after that by phone w/o penalty).

On my November bill which closed yesterday, the due date is listed as Dec. 4.

It looks like they actually expanded the payment window ?????

ezron Nov 11, 2008 5:03 pm


Originally Posted by alexcturner (Post 10706028)
Can anyone confirm anymore about this?


I just called Customer Service and just like always ---you just have to pay your bill BEFORE your next billing cycle begins.

KyRoamer Nov 21, 2008 6:25 pm

Is FOREX rate going up on centurion card also?

sbm12 Nov 21, 2008 6:40 pm


Originally Posted by mshaikun (Post 10793220)
Is FOREX rate going up on centurion card also?

I would assume so. AmEx has had the same rate across the board for all cards as long as I can remember. :(

ironmanjt Nov 24, 2008 6:07 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 10793263)
I would assume so. AmEx has had the same rate across the board for all cards as long as I can remember. :(

Yes, it is. Got my centurion statement today, and it had the 2,7% notice on it as well. I'm still torn.

- My lowest card carries a 1% fee
- AmEx Rewards are worth 1% minimum

So, it's basically a 0,7% charge by AmEx for dispute/fraud/etc prevention. It may be worth it....

ENFO Nov 25, 2008 7:34 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 10793263)
I would assume so. AmEx has had the same rate across the board for all cards as long as I can remember. :(

Hi there, it's my first post. Just wanted to say I got the same notice for the FOREX increase on my Starwood and Gold Cards.


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