AMEX Priority Pass will exclude Restaurants (August 2019)
#76
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This may be just me, but I think Amex is trying to move to an "exclusive experience" type of card. No offense, but Priority Pass restaurant benefit is just attracting churners and millennial who get overly excited about "free food" at airports.That's what the CSR is for, a low "high" tier card with an $150 annual fee... for churners.
I don't think that's the demographic Amex wants to target, they want people with higher income who value good food and enjoy having exclusive menus and courtesy drinks at high end restaurants (like with their Global Dining Collection). This may be the reason why they chose to acquire Resy. Looking forward to see what they come up with.
I agree that the Platinum Card is no longer a "status symbol" and I think that's what Amex is trying to "regain". Personally, I'm fine with Amex dropping this if this means more exclusive perks at certain events by Amex, more Centurion Lounges and more pro small businesses marketing (like their Instagram account promoting small stores and restaurants at various cities). I see this card as a membership: hotel status, purchase protection, exclusive events, courtesy drinks and special menus at restaurants, etc.
I don't think that's the demographic Amex wants to target, they want people with higher income who value good food and enjoy having exclusive menus and courtesy drinks at high end restaurants (like with their Global Dining Collection). This may be the reason why they chose to acquire Resy. Looking forward to see what they come up with.
I agree that the Platinum Card is no longer a "status symbol" and I think that's what Amex is trying to "regain". Personally, I'm fine with Amex dropping this if this means more exclusive perks at certain events by Amex, more Centurion Lounges and more pro small businesses marketing (like their Instagram account promoting small stores and restaurants at various cities). I see this card as a membership: hotel status, purchase protection, exclusive events, courtesy drinks and special menus at restaurants, etc.
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Adding Denver and JFK to the other answers once they're up and running.
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I used the restaurant benefit maybe 3-4 times a year at Capers in PDX. Sometimes with my wife, so double benefit. I never “double-dipped” at Capers Market and I also deliberately alternated between my CSR- and Plat-linked PP accounts. Overall, I am not surprised that this benefit proved to be too popular (reading about people’s grocery shopping trips on FT), but it will be another negative factor when I reconsider whether to renew my Plat card next time around. I started tracking my own usage of benefits a while ago to make a rational data-driven decision. Just like the banks
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2) Speaking of standards, Amex seems to be consolidating its lounge portfolio growth in the US into Escape more and more with the smaller markets and Cent with the bigger and I assume they like that approach more than the hodge podge of mom & pop-ish restaurants that PP contracts with. Though the food varies market to market, the quality of Escape food is usually the same(ish) lounge-to-lounge; same with Centurion. I can see them wanting to go in that direction. More lounges, more standards.
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This may be just me, but I think Amex is trying to move to an "exclusive experience" type of card. No offense, but Priority Pass restaurant benefit is just attracting churners and millennial who get overly excited about "free food" at airports.That's what the CSR is for, a low "high" tier card with an $150 annual fee... for churners.
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Yes, but it's not the same. You have to be using Uber regularly if you want to get the value, you have to fly regularly if you want your credit back. It's much harder to use, I think the reason is to target people who have a higher income level to do this regularly. With the CSR, if you can only afford one trip a year (even if it's just a roadtrip and staying at an AirBnB) you get it back.
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This stinks!
At my home airport, LAX has always lacked lounges compared to other airports, except for Delta Skylounge which is always crowded when I fly domestically.
Internationally, I love the PF Chang's restaurant allowance using PP while in TBIT.
So now it looks like I will have to wait for the opening of the Centurion lounge at LAX - hoping it's soon...
At my home airport, LAX has always lacked lounges compared to other airports, except for Delta Skylounge which is always crowded when I fly domestically.
Internationally, I love the PF Chang's restaurant allowance using PP while in TBIT.
So now it looks like I will have to wait for the opening of the Centurion lounge at LAX - hoping it's soon...
HUH? There are (and have always been) lots of lounges at LAX: AS, UA, AA, the three alliance lounges in TBIT, and those of departed airlines such as NW and TWA.
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Those have much stricter access policies than Priority Pass and similar, though. Most passengers going through LAX aren't going to be able to go to any of the airline or alliance lounges (with the exception of the KAL lounge if one has PP and is going during the hours PP is accepted; I don't count AS due to how rarely PP is accepted now).
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Yes, but it's not the same. You have to be using Uber regularly if you want to get the value, you have to fly regularly if you want your credit back. It's much harder to use, I think the reason is to target people who have a higher income level to do this regularly. With the CSR, if you can only afford one trip a year (even if it's just a roadtrip and staying at an AirBnB) you get it back.
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There is nothing exclusive about an Amex card. That is just marketing hype that was created decades ago when they had higher credit standards. Now they are happy to issue the card to any Tom, Dick or Harry with a pulse and a minimal credit score. This is all about Amex shaving costs, just as the decision to implement restrictions on signup bonuses.
Without specifics that is hard to evaluate. I've dined at 4: Yankee Pier (SFO), SF Giants Clubhouse (SFO), Bracket Room (DCA), Barney's Beanery (LAX). I was happy with all the meals and SF Giants even brought bottled water that I could take on the plane. It's not fine dining, and the service can be mixed (fast at SFO, slow at the others) but the food options are way better than any free food I've seen in the UA, DL, AA, AS, former-VX, and Escape lounges. It's a great benefit and it is too bad it is being shut down for Amex cardholders. But not a surprise in light of the abuses reported elsewhere.
Without specifics that is hard to evaluate. I've dined at 4: Yankee Pier (SFO), SF Giants Clubhouse (SFO), Bracket Room (DCA), Barney's Beanery (LAX). I was happy with all the meals and SF Giants even brought bottled water that I could take on the plane. It's not fine dining, and the service can be mixed (fast at SFO, slow at the others) but the food options are way better than any free food I've seen in the UA, DL, AA, AS, former-VX, and Escape lounges. It's a great benefit and it is too bad it is being shut down for Amex cardholders. But not a surprise in light of the abuses reported elsewhere.
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Before this thread was opened and before the US bloggers put up threads about this. I heard that this was hitting HKG Amex Plat users and suspected that it wouldn’t be long for Amex’s cost-cutting and budget-target objectives coming with an eventual hit against customers with US Amex Plats too.
It seems that Priority Pass found a way to make money off the PP restaurant arrangement and that is why it expanded the restaurant arrangement, way more so in the US than anywhere else. Could PP have done the airport restaurant expansion access in part because of how Amex, Chase and Citi (and others) were paying for their bank card customers’ use of bank card-related Priority Pass? If so, I have to give Priority Pass’s owners and and management some credit for having set up a way to increase the amount of money they got from their bank card partners and to increase the benefit for the bank card customers. I can’t say I’m surprised to see Amex cut it and being the first at it for PP restaurants.
I do note that this cut from Amex may hit more than just Priority Pass-affiliated restaurants.
It seems that Priority Pass found a way to make money off the PP restaurant arrangement and that is why it expanded the restaurant arrangement, way more so in the US than anywhere else. Could PP have done the airport restaurant expansion access in part because of how Amex, Chase and Citi (and others) were paying for their bank card customers’ use of bank card-related Priority Pass? If so, I have to give Priority Pass’s owners and and management some credit for having set up a way to increase the amount of money they got from their bank card partners and to increase the benefit for the bank card customers. I can’t say I’m surprised to see Amex cut it and being the first at it for PP restaurants.
I do note that this cut from Amex may hit more than just Priority Pass-affiliated restaurants.
It would be sustainable if the average # of annual visits by cardholders was kept to a reasonable level, maybe a few a year. It does not work when you have too many frequent visitors and not at all if you have more than a few abusers who visit multiple restaurants for takeout in a single day.
The better course would be to establish reasonable limits as was done for lounge guests (again likely the result of abusers). 10 visits a year would keep the majority of travelers happy (including me) while weeding out the heavy users that break the bank.
The better course would be to establish reasonable limits as was done for lounge guests (again likely the result of abusers). 10 visits a year would keep the majority of travelers happy (including me) while weeding out the heavy users that break the bank.
I'm now wondering about the PP PGA lounge at MSP (in addition to an Escape lounge, which I like). I've never used the PGA PP lounge as it seems like a combination of sports merchandise store and sports bar, but my understanding is that that lounge issues restaurant vouchers as it seems to not have food but just be a (sports) bar.
I got to use the $28 restaurant credit exactly one time, last year, SFO, Yankee Pier (breakfast). It was just a salmon lox bagel and Irish coffee.
A few weeks ago, I passed Yankee Pier on the way to AMEX CL for a 1/2 hour visit (flight out of T3). They had a line and it looked fully packed inside. I was thinking, how many people were using $28 PP credits. Guess the answer was too many.
The next thing to go, AMEX might restrict SFO CL visits to people flying out of T3.
A few weeks ago, I passed Yankee Pier on the way to AMEX CL for a 1/2 hour visit (flight out of T3). They had a line and it looked fully packed inside. I was thinking, how many people were using $28 PP credits. Guess the answer was too many.
The next thing to go, AMEX might restrict SFO CL visits to people flying out of T3.
PP and the AmEx lounge program are meant IMO to be a sort of insurance that you will have lounge access if you're ever stuck in a place far from your own airline lounge network or where your carrier doesn't provide lounges even for premium cabin passengers. This purpose is negated if they start to impose restrictions regarding terminals or permitted carriers. It's already frustrating when there's a lounge, but you cannot get to the door or must go through airport security an additional time or two in order to use the lounge.
This may be just me, but I think Amex is trying to move to an "exclusive experience" type of card. No offense, but Priority Pass restaurant benefit is just attracting churners and millennial who get overly excited about "free food" at airports.That's what the CSR is for, a low "high" tier card with an $150 annual fee... for churners.
I don't think that's the demographic Amex wants to target, they want people with higher income who value good food and enjoy having exclusive menus and courtesy drinks at high end restaurants (like with their Global Dining Collection). This may be the reason why they chose to acquire Resy. Looking forward to see what they come up with.
I agree that the Platinum Card is no longer a "status symbol" and I think that's what Amex is trying to "regain". Personally, I'm fine with Amex dropping this if this means more exclusive perks at certain events by Amex, more Centurion Lounges and more pro small businesses marketing (like their Instagram account promoting small stores and restaurants at various cities). I see this card as a membership: hotel status, purchase protection, exclusive events, courtesy drinks and special menus at restaurants, etc.
I don't think that's the demographic Amex wants to target, they want people with higher income who value good food and enjoy having exclusive menus and courtesy drinks at high end restaurants (like with their Global Dining Collection). This may be the reason why they chose to acquire Resy. Looking forward to see what they come up with.
I agree that the Platinum Card is no longer a "status symbol" and I think that's what Amex is trying to "regain". Personally, I'm fine with Amex dropping this if this means more exclusive perks at certain events by Amex, more Centurion Lounges and more pro small businesses marketing (like their Instagram account promoting small stores and restaurants at various cities). I see this card as a membership: hotel status, purchase protection, exclusive events, courtesy drinks and special menus at restaurants, etc.
And the newish delivery fees/service charges from Uber have made this Amex “benefit” pretty marginal for people like me who don’t tend to order in food otherwise.
I used the restaurant benefit maybe 3-4 times a year at Capers in PDX. Sometimes with my wife, so double benefit. I never “double-dipped” at Capers Market and I also deliberately alternated between my CSR- and Plat-linked PP accounts. Overall, I am not surprised that this benefit proved to be too popular (reading about people’s grocery shopping trips on FT), but it will be another negative factor when I reconsider whether to renew my Plat card next time around. I started tracking my own usage of benefits a while ago to make a rational data-driven decision. Just like the banks
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You don't need to be a millenial or churner to get excited about "free food" at airports. My elderly parents, for example, are practically beside themselves anytime they see the opportunity for free...well...anything. I think I had somewhere between 15-20 eleventh birthdays at Denny's by the time I was 14.
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#89
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Agree with this disagreement. Amex would very much prefer to have tons of people holding a card they believe is exclusive than just a few people holding a card which actually is exclusive. They will push that tipping point as much as they can to maximize what benefits will still "feel" premium but which are sustainable at scale. And then they will profit.
Without specifics that is hard to evaluate. I've dined at 4: Yankee Pier (SFO), SF Giants Clubhouse (SFO), Bracket Room (DCA), Barney's Beanery (LAX). I was happy with all the meals and SF Giants even brought bottled water that I could take on the plane. It's not fine dining, and the service can be mixed (fast at SFO, slow at the others) but the food options are way better than any free food I've seen in the UA, DL, AA, AS, former-VX, and Escape lounges. It's a great benefit and it is too bad it is being shut down for Amex cardholders. But not a surprise in light of the abuses reported elsewhere.
I hope AmEx Plat will be repositioned. When I first got mine, it was a big deal to be invited. Now everyone and his/her dog can apparently get the card and many people have taken advantage of AmEx by churning. (I'm glad AmEx is getting smart and limiting this.) In addition, in the past, there was some self selection in that if one didn't travel enough and have certain travel patterns, it didn't make sense to pay the Plat card annual fee since a lot of the benefit consisted of airline lounges, PTS, FHR, emergency assistance (which I think was better then), worldwide rental car coverage including some luxury models, etc.
DCA has Bracket Room which is a very popular bar in the area, I have found the DCA location to be good for a quick bite and a beer.
As a follow up to the above quote and this; My parents are AU's on my account, and get extremely excited when they fly out of or thru IAD and get to to go to Cheoff Geoff's "for free". And yes Cheoff Geoff's at IAD is good.
As a follow up to the above quote and this; My parents are AU's on my account, and get extremely excited when they fly out of or thru IAD and get to to go to Cheoff Geoff's "for free". And yes Cheoff Geoff's at IAD is good.
Hey, if this helps Amex save some money (by removing bad restaurants) and add better benefits, I'm all for it.
Also, as someone mentioned before, bad airport restaurants don't go well with the Amex brand.
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It would be sustainable if the average # of annual visits by cardholders was kept to a reasonable level, maybe a few a year. It does not work when you have too many frequent visitors and not at all if you have more than a few abusers who visit multiple restaurants for takeout in a single day.
The better course would be to establish reasonable limits as was done for lounge guests (again likely the result of abusers). 10 visits a year would keep the majority of travelers happy (including me) while weeding out the heavy users that break the bank.
The better course would be to establish reasonable limits as was done for lounge guests (again likely the result of abusers). 10 visits a year would keep the majority of travelers happy (including me) while weeding out the heavy users that break the bank.