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Hilton co-branded card upgrade/downgrade [Consolidated]

Old Feb 4, 19, 9:02 am
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Why would they do 3 months/9 months prorated charges if the OP did a product change from Surpass to Aspire only a week after getting the card? Seems like the OP got about 3 months of the Aspire, at Surpass AF rates!
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Old Feb 4, 19, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by STS-134 View Post
.... only a week after getting the card?....
It sounds as if it was a week after the renewal fee was billed. American Express processed the refund and billed the new fee three months later. I cannot say why the work was done then, but the arithmetic is consistent.
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Old Feb 4, 19, 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by mia View Post
It sounds as if it was a week after the renewal fee was billed. American Express processed the refund and billed the new fee three months later. I cannot say why the work was done then, but the arithmetic is consistent.
Thanks and based on our explanation it makes sense even thought I don't get the three month later billing either.

Does make me wonder what month they will see as my renewal month now. November when I originally upgraded or January since that is when they billed the renewal fee. Card has a November validity date on it.
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Old Feb 4, 19, 9:25 am
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I expect the renewal fee will again be billed around 25 October.
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Old Feb 23, 19, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by jn in ca View Post
Yup, that is standard procedure from American Express. The upgrades do not have the once in a lifetime language.
I have both upgrade offers (Ascend and Aspire) under my NAF card for 150K each. So does that mean upgrade offers don't count toward "once in a lifetime" rule for the particular card?

That means I apply for either Ascend and Aspire in the future again as a new card for the bonus, if the language implies.
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Old Feb 23, 19, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by jn in ca View Post
....The upgrades do not have the once in a lifetime language. .
Originally Posted by vincewy View Post
....So does that mean upgrade offers don't count toward "once in a lifetime" rule for the particular card?....
No, it means that previously holding the same card does not disqualify you from using the upgrade offer now.

However, American Express does not seem to consistently track accounts that have been up/downgraded, and you may be able to apply for the same product later and receive a bonus.
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Old Feb 23, 19, 2:17 pm
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Originally Posted by mia View Post
No, it means that previously holding the same card does not disqualify you from using the upgrade offer now.

However, American Express does not seem to consistently track accounts that have been up/downgraded, and you may be able to apply for the same product later and receive a bonus.
Interesting, I was wondering why some bloggers chose to close NAF HH card and reapplied Hilton Aspire. Perhaps they plan to downgrade to NAF HH later and hoping there'd be an upgrade offer(s) with points.

To me upgrading with bonus now means I don't have to take up AmEx credit card slots each person is allowed (reportedly 5) and it doesn't count against new cards opened. With 2 upgrades I may be able to get under 5/24 soon and it will come in handy if I ever need to get CSR.

p.s. Has anyone applied as new card and upgrade later so you could get additional bonuses (up to 5 times)?

https://www.asksebby.com/blog/amex-h...uld-you-accept

The problem is the only option I see now is upgrade, doesn't look like there's a way to get Ascend as new card.

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Old Mar 1, 19, 8:03 pm
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Can I get both a new card and accept an upgrade offer?

Originally Posted by vincewy View Post

p.s. Has anyone applied as new card and upgrade later so you could get additional bonuses (up to 5 times)?

https://www.asksebby.com/blog/amex-h...uld-you-accept
I have the same question as above. I have an upgrade offer (150k from Ascend to Aspire) and I have not yet had the Aspire card. Can I, as this blogger suggests, apply for the new card then a few minutes later also accept the upgrade offer on my current Ascend? I know it's possible to have two Amex Hilton cards, and I currently only have 3 cards, so I'm fine there. I just worry that my upgrade offer will disappear when I apply for the new card. If this is the case, I'd rather do the upgrade and avoid giving up a slot in my 5/24 to a new Amex card.
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Old Mar 1, 19, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by fivegirls View Post
I have the same question as above. I have an upgrade offer (150k from Ascend to Aspire) and I have not yet had the Aspire card. Can I, as this blogger suggests, apply for the new card then a few minutes later also accept the upgrade offer on my current Ascend? I know it's possible to have two Amex Hilton cards, and I currently only have 3 cards, so I'm fine there. I just worry that my upgrade offer will disappear when I apply for the new card. If this is the case, I'd rather do the upgrade and avoid giving up a slot in my 5/24 to a new Amex card.
https://www.asksebby.com/blog/amex-hilton-upgrade-offers-should-you-accept

The method suggested here is insane and I won’t do this.
  1. It takes 3 slots out of 5 allowed by AmEx.
  2. Hanging to all 3 cards with $450 annual fees offset the benefits gained.
  3. Closing/Downgrading to no annual fee cards too quickly will risk relationship with AmEx, besides potentially having your points clawed back.
So my revised approach to his suggested method

SITUATION 2: Hilton Honors + Hilton Ascend + Hilton Aspire
• 2018 = Apply for Hilton Honors (A) (welcome offer)
Route 2: Apply + Upgrade
• 2019 = Apply for Hilton Aspire (B) (welcome offer)
•2019 = Apply for Hilton Ascend (C) (welcome offer)
•2020 = Upgrade (C) to Hilton Aspire (#2) (upgrade offer)
•2019 = Upgrade (A) to Hilton Ascend (#2) (upgrade offer)
•2020 = Upgrade (A) to Hilton Aspire (#3) (upgrade offer)
Result = 5 4 additional bonuses

In the end I’ll still end up having 4 more sign-on bonuses and lower annual fees. Not bad either and it leave me 1 more room for second Marriott Bonvoy card.

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Old Mar 11, 19, 9:56 am
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I applied for and received a Hilton Ascend in mid to late April 2018. When should I start looking out for upgrade offers to the Aspire? Early April? Early May?

Trying to figure out if I should apply to the Aspire outright. The issue is that I am also interested in the Bonvoy card and only have 1 Amex credit card slot left...
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Old Mar 14, 19, 1:39 pm
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My no-fee AMEX Hilton card, which was converted from the Citi no-fee card, has an offer to upgrade to Ascend for 150k points. But I’ve already had the AMEX old Surpass card a few years ago that I downgraded to (another) free AMEX card prior to the cards were renamed (so I’ve never had an “Ascend” before). Since the offer shows on my Citi convert, how confident can I be that I’ll get the 150k?
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Old Mar 14, 19, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveInLA View Post
My no-fee AMEX Hilton card, which was converted from the Citi no-fee card, has an offer to upgrade to Ascend for 150k points. But I’ve already had the AMEX old Surpass card a few years ago that I downgraded to (another) free AMEX card prior to the cards were renamed (so I’ve never had an “Ascend” before). Since the offer shows on my Citi convert, how confident can I be that I’ll get the 150k?


It depends very much on what your upgrade offer T&Cs say about that. Some upgrade offers don't have any language about having had the card prior, but some may have such language. So you have to check yours, and see what exactly it says.

And from-scratch (public) offers for these cards these days often mention predecessor cards (explicitly or implicitly), so that why you need the exact wording (in case there is any) to figure out if it covers Surpass or not. For example, even though the SPG card has been renamed to Marriott, signup offers still explain how you may ineligible based on SPG cards you had.
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Old Mar 15, 19, 8:25 am
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Great advice!

Quick question— how long after meeting the $3k spend requirement do the bonus Hilton points post? MR points post within a couple days. Same for Hilton? Or is it statement date?
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Old Mar 15, 19, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveInLA View Post
Great advice!

Quick question— how long after meeting the $3k spend requirement do the bonus Hilton points post? MR points post within a couple days. Same for Hilton?
Yes. Points posting for Amex is independent of statement date.
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Old Mar 18, 19, 4:25 pm
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I finally received the upgrade offer from no fee hilton card but it is to the ASPIRE with massive $450 AF. Useless since I have to spend $250 credit at Hilton resort hotels, not any Hilton hotels to get the $250 credit. Most hiltons are not resorts right? Then airline charges to get the $200 airline credit. Decent bonus offer but hard to offset the huge AF. Not to mention the huge $4k spend which amex monitors like crazy! lol

I wish I had the offer to upgrade to ASCEND.
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