Amex Platinum & Membership Rewards SPG/Marriott benefits beginning August 2018?
Apr 16, 2018, 7:15 pm
#17
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: MDT/BWI
Programs: DL Diamond, Marriott-Platinum, HHonors-Diamond
Posts: 24
My understanding was that the AMEX Platinum card gives you mid-tier status with certain hotel loyalty programs--SPG and Hilton. I'm disappointed that no longer seems to be the case with the rollout of the combined MR/SPG/RC program. New Gold feels like low-tier crumbs. I may be downgrading my AMEX to PRG, since I can get Priority Pass with my Chase Sapphire Reserve. The rest of the Platinum benefits aren't worth the fee.
Apr 16, 2018, 8:38 pm
#18
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 314
Yep, canceling my and my husband's SPG cards. And another nail in the coffin for getting an AmEx Platinum which I was on the fence about getting to replace the SPG cards. If they don't change the AmEx Platinum to give you Marriott Platinum status with free breakfast and lounge, then I'll move to Hilton Aspire which gives Diamond, or Citi Prestige for 4th night free anywhere.
Apr 16, 2018, 9:01 pm
#19
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Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Miami, Mpls & London
Programs: AA & Marriott Perpetual Platinum; DL & HH Gold
Posts: 48,952
If the $450 co-branded SPG/Marriott card gives Gold status with an option to earn Platinum by spending $75,000 (same as the Chase Ritz/Marriott card), why would you think there is any possibility that the $450/$550 Platinum card would bundle Marriott Platinum status with no spending requirement?
Apr 16, 2018, 9:11 pm
#21
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: NYC
Programs: OZ Diamond *A Gold / Delta Gold
Posts: 775
i have to think amex isn't stupid and there has to be some more benefits coming for the personal plat. with the battle for premium co-brand hotel and airline cards i wonder how long amex will be able to keep the status' for plat before the chains start asking why they are selling that without any point purchases coming back. just a thought
As much as I would like AMEX to propose more benefits, I cannot see how they will make it happen unless they match to the new Marriott Platinum (and that is not something Marriott will be ready to give away).
Apr 16, 2018, 9:12 pm
#22
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 998
If the $450 co-branded SPG/Marriott card gives Gold status with an option to earn Platinum by spending $75,000 (same as the Chase Ritz/Marriott card), why would you think there is any possibility that the $450/$550 Platinum card would bundle Marriott Platinum status with no spending requirement?
They must really be banking on their lounge options with Delts and Amex and the MR points to be what draws people to drop $550...
Apr 16, 2018, 9:30 pm
#23
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 256
Because they (Amex) are losing the benefits war and again have the most expensive main stream ultra premium card. I know bottom line numbers might still be good for them, but I think they might start to slide. I don’t expect more benefits with Marriott but kinda expected the same, possibly specifically because of the offset that they’re not giving some insane like 10X bonus on Marriott points or a free night or credit. Marriott isn’t spending $300 in credit + whatever lost rev from a free night is and instead just status, which is keeping people coming to the property. I would assume people that only have status via the Amex probably would pick the Hilton for it’s gold vs basically polished silver with Marriott. Either that or Amex needs to bring in someone new like Hyatt or something else. $550 for some uber perks handed out on a small monthly basis, $200 in airline credits and one hotel chain with worthwhile status isn’t that amazing.
They must really be banking on their lounge options with Delts and Amex and the MR points to be what draws people to drop $550...
I really can't move my business trip hotels, so loss of SPG lounge access is another devaluation for me. If Priority Pass had lots of lounges in the USA, I would be changing Credit Cards, AMEX just keeps going down hill and charging more or less. But the Uber benefit will save them, right! Oh, I know maybe they will give us a Lyft benefit too and increase the annual fee another $100.
Apr 16, 2018, 10:20 pm
#24
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: SFO
Posts: 3,878
Y'all know that Marriott Gold is not a published Amex Plat benefit, right? The benefit is SPG Gold, which for the past 18 months (or so) has matched to Marriott Gold.
The odds that Amex Plat will now grant Marriott Plat are (IMO) pretty much zero. I would expect you'll get "new" Marriott Gold, which equates to old SPG Gold. i.e., no breakfast
The odds that Amex Plat will now grant Marriott Plat are (IMO) pretty much zero. I would expect you'll get "new" Marriott Gold, which equates to old SPG Gold. i.e., no breakfast
If the $450 co-branded SPG/Marriott card gives Gold status with an option to earn Platinum by spending $75,000 (same as the Chase Ritz/Marriott card), why would you think there is any possibility that the $450/$550 Platinum card would bundle Marriott Platinum status with no spending requirement?
ETA: according to Frequent Miler Q&A w Marriott VP, $10k spend on the Ritz card gets you new Platinum.
Last edited by Troopers; Apr 16, 2018 at 10:40 pm
Apr 16, 2018, 10:28 pm
#25
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 153
Net fee not $450
If the $450 co-branded SPG/Marriott card gives Gold status with an option to earn Platinum by spending $75,000 (same as the Chase Ritz/Marriott card), why would you think there is any possibility that the $450/$550 Platinum card would bundle Marriott Platinum status with no spending requirement?
Apr 16, 2018, 10:31 pm
#26
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AS MVP Gold 75K, UA Gold, Marriott LTT, Avis President's Club
Posts: 1,539
With that in mind, 42 of the combined 45 transfer partners will have a 3-to-1 point-to-mile transfer ratio in the new program, with a 5,000 mile bonus given for every 60,000 points transferred from the new program. That’s effectively the same as today’s 1-to-1 SPG transfer ratio, with a 5,000 mile bonus for every 20,000 points transferred. The only exception to that are JetBlue, Air New Zealand, and El Al, who will have different transfer ratios that are yet to be determined by Marriott.
Apr 16, 2018, 11:04 pm
#27
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 152
Doesn't make sense to have a premium SPG card without play status included and then provide it with the Amex plat. This ride was fun while it lasted, but I'll be dropping the plat in October. Not even an LAX lounge justifies $550 a year.
Apr 17, 2018, 1:18 am
#28
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: SEA, or BOS, or MUC, or other places (probably connecting). "Detroit, Michigan is in the Eastern time zone."
Programs: DL PM/1MM, AS 100K, NEXUS/GE, CLEAR, Bonvoy Platinum, Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,201
Marriott Rewards Members
SPG Members
The Amex Platinum benefit is SPG Gold, which maps to Marriott Gold under the current bifurcated program. However, the two programs have different conversion charts for previous status into the "Starriott" Elite levels:
Marriott:
Silver 10-24 nights becomes new-Silver
Silver 25-49 nights becomes new-Gold
Gold becomes new-Platinum
Platinum becomes new-Platinum Premier
Platinum 100 nights & $20K spend becomes new-Platinum Premier with Ambassador
SPG:
Preferred Guest (no status) with 10-24 nights becomes new-Silver
Corporate Preferred / Preferred Plus also become new-Silver
Gold becomes new-Gold
Platinum and Platinum 50 nights become new-Platinum
Platinum 75 nights become new-Platinum Premier
Platinum 100 nights become new-Platinum Premier with Ambassador
Just because SPG Gold today matches to Marriott Gold does not mean that AXP cardholders have Marriott Gold. They have SPG Gold and will almost certainly transfer to the new system at the new-Gold level.
Apr 17, 2018, 1:54 am
#29
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,472
According to the VP of Marriott Rewards, those who had the Marriott Gold level this year will become Marriott Platinum from Aug.1 through the end of the year. That's expected to include those members whose status originated from AmEx-Plat. Unfortunately in 2019 the temp Marriott Platinum will turn to dust (or its renamed equivalent).
Apr 17, 2018, 2:47 am
#30
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 6
There are two pages on the Marriott site covering the new program from the perspective of existing members.
The Amex Platinum benefit is SPG Gold, which maps to Marriott Gold under the current bifurcated program. However, the two programs have different conversion charts for previous status into the "Starriott" Elite levels:
Marriott:
Silver 10-24 nights becomes new-Silver
Silver 25-49 nights becomes new-Gold
Gold becomes new-Platinum
Platinum becomes new-Platinum Premier
Platinum 100 nights & $20K spend becomes new-Platinum Premier with Ambassador
SPG:
Preferred Guest (no status) with 10-24 nights becomes new-Silver
Corporate Preferred / Preferred Plus also become new-Silver
Gold becomes new-Gold
The Amex Platinum benefit is SPG Gold, which maps to Marriott Gold under the current bifurcated program. However, the two programs have different conversion charts for previous status into the "Starriott" Elite levels:
Marriott:
Silver 10-24 nights becomes new-Silver
Silver 25-49 nights becomes new-Gold
Gold becomes new-Platinum
Platinum becomes new-Platinum Premier
Platinum 100 nights & $20K spend becomes new-Platinum Premier with Ambassador
SPG:
Preferred Guest (no status) with 10-24 nights becomes new-Silver
Corporate Preferred / Preferred Plus also become new-Silver
Gold becomes new-Gold