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JerryFF Oct 1, 2024 10:54 pm

Closing the Jetway EARLY
 
Today I sat and watched as they closed the Jetway door 13 minutes before scheduled departure - the flight arrived at its destination 17 minutes early, so there was no need to push back early. I've seen this happen repeatedly in the last few months. My friend missed her connection - last flight of the night - and had to overnight at DFW because they closed the jetway 12 minutes before scheduled departure. She arrived at the gate as quickly as she could because her incoming flight was late. What are the rules/regulations about this?

TxDucky Oct 1, 2024 11:18 pm


Originally Posted by JerryFF (Post 36567023)
Today I sat and watched as they closed the Jetway door 13 minutes before scheduled departure - the flight arrived at its destination 17 minutes early, so there was no need to push back early. I've seen this happen repeatedly in the last few months. My friend missed her connection - last flight of the night - and had to overnight at DFW because they closed the jetway 12 minutes before scheduled departure. She arrived at the gate as quickly as she could because her incoming flight was late. What are the rules/regulations about this?

From AA’s own policy: “Most flights start boarding 30 - 50 minutes before scheduled departure, but the exact time depends on your destination and plane. Boarding ends 15 minutes before departure. If you’re not on board, we may reassign your seat to another passenger. You will not be allowed to board once the doors close.”

So, if the boarding process is complete, you can expect the door to be closed around 15 minutes before departure. As for rules and regulations, you have a contract with the airline, that outlines your rights and explains their process. This gate closing is part of that contract of carriage. You have no legal standing outwith that contract other than Federal Regulations and whatever finally passes in the U.S. to provide some version of EU261. Basically, you can sue if you believe they have violated the contract. Different airlines have broadly similar policies.

As for your friend, she failed to meet the 15 minute rule. Her getting there “as soon as possible” is simply irrelevant. Without similar laws regarding compensation as exist in Europe, she’s out of luck, and dependent on AA’s goodwill, if any.

dw Oct 2, 2024 5:43 am


Originally Posted by JerryFF (Post 36567023)
My friend missed her connection - last flight of the night - and had to overnight at DFW because they closed the jetway 12 minutes before scheduled departure. She arrived at the gate as quickly as she could because her incoming flight was late. What are the rules/regulations about this?

Assuming she still made it to the gate roughly around departure time, this is an example of where UA likely would have held the flight via their connection saver initiative. (Last flight of the day out of a hub means there are unlikely to be connections on the other end at risk.)

enviroian Oct 2, 2024 9:12 am

Although I've had this happen frequently it's only been when I've heard on board "all boarded" or "we're done boarding" meaning (at least to me) all ticketed passengers are on board.

fotographer Oct 2, 2024 9:14 am

feel sorry for your friend.. been through the same but at MIA.. AA late from ATL... (almost 90 minutes)
run to gate.. which from the remote stations is a haul... I can see the door shut as I approach the desk.
crappy AA agent just looks up and say.. sorry go talk to customer service.. (the flight was a long haul to LHR)
so , it happens.. sad to see but

LaserSailor Oct 2, 2024 9:30 am


Originally Posted by fotographer (Post 36568028)
feel sorry for your friend.. been through the same but at MIA.. AA late from ATL... (almost 90 minutes)
run to gate.. which from the remote stations is a haul... I can see the door shut as I approach the desk.
crappy AA agent just looks up and say.. sorry go talk to customer service.. (the flight was a long haul to LHR)
so , it happens.. sad to see but

Appreciate that the door plane was probably shut 5 minutes eariler.


Comfy Seat Flyer Oct 2, 2024 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by JerryFF (Post 36567023)
Today I sat and watched as they closed the Jetway door 13 minutes before scheduled departure - the flight arrived at its destination 17 minutes early, so there was no need to push back early.

If they had waited a couple of minutes to close the jetway, they may have missed an available slot and been forced to wait a long time for takeoff. There's no guarantee that they would have arrived early if they had delayed pushback, so I don't understand how you can be so sure there was "no need" to close the jetway at that time.
Do you think the rest of the passengers on the flight would have been happy about that?

upinsmoke Oct 2, 2024 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by JerryFF (Post 36567023)
Today I sat and watched as they closed the Jetway door 13 minutes before scheduled departure - the flight arrived at its destination 17 minutes early, so there was no need to push back early. I've seen this happen repeatedly in the last few months. My friend missed her connection - last flight of the night - and had to overnight at DFW because they closed the jetway 12 minutes before scheduled departure. She arrived at the gate as quickly as she could because her incoming flight was late. What are the rules/regulations about this?

Maybe the flight was fully boarded? Your friend's seat might have been given to a standby passenger at 15 minutes before departure, since she wasn't at the gate. AA's rule is that they give away your seat at 15 minutes prior to departure time if there are standbys waiting. After that they might close the door at any time, although you might get lucky and find a GA who waits until 10 minutes prior.

There's work that needs to happen after the door closes and before the plane can push back.

USFlyerUS Oct 2, 2024 1:05 pm

I think the issue is AA is notoriously aggressive at closing the door even when it's reasonably obvious some passengers might make it in time. I would much rather we have something akin to UA's connection saver program. Because of AA's approach, I've found myself booking longer than necessary connections in many cases to avoid the hassle.

There may certainly be times when the flight must depart and waiting is not an option. However, I suspect a reasonable amount of misconnects could be avoided by only a few minute delay -- or even no delay at all -- that would have minimal to no impact downstream.

jrl767 Oct 2, 2024 1:26 pm


Originally Posted by Comfy Seat Flyer (Post 36568410)
If they had waited a couple of minutes to close the jetway, they may have missed an available slot and been forced to wait a long time for takeoff. There's no guarantee that they would have arrived early if they had delayed pushback. ...

OP stated "last flight of the night" so this more than likely would not have been an issue

ashill Oct 2, 2024 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by dw (Post 36567565)
Assuming she still made it to the gate roughly around departure time, this is an example of where UA likely would have held the flight via their connection saver initiative. (Last flight of the day out of a hub means there are unlikely to be connections on the other end at risk.)

Yeah. I hadn't flown United in years, so I was pleasantly shocked this summer when a two hour delay cut a fairly safe connection at ORD to MSN down to three minutes to scheduled departure (also last flight of the day, and one of the few remaining flights departing out of ORD). I was pleasantly stunned to find that UA held the connecting flight for me (and a bunch of other passengers making the same connection). In fact they changed our arrival gate at ORD from one two concourses away to one four gates over from my connecting flight; since ours was the only one they mentioned as we pulled into the gate at ORD, it doesn't seem like that was a coincidence at all.


Originally Posted by Comfy Seat Flyer (Post 36568410)
If they had waited a couple of minutes to close the jetway, they may have missed an available slot and been forced to wait a long time for takeoff. There's no guarantee that they would have arrived early if they had delayed pushback, so I don't understand how you can be so sure there was "no need" to close the jetway at that time.
Do you think the rest of the passengers on the flight would have been happy about that?

The fact that UA seems to choose to hold flights fairly routinely when feasible suggests otherwise. Last flight of the day from hub to outstation is an obvious flight that holds little obvious risk of significantly inconveniencing other passengers. Certainly in other cases holding a flight would have significant negative side effects.

UALOneKPlus Oct 2, 2024 11:37 pm

I've experienced this on AA. I was coming from an AA hub, bad weather delayed the plane from taking off to another AA hub. Landed at the 2nd AA hub about 1 hour late, and was trying to connect to an AA regional flight. Got to the gate about 5 minutes late, last connecting regional flight of the night, to a small destination, and was surprised they didn't hold the small regional jet for the larger AA flight from the hub.

I'll say other airlines like UA and WN will typically hold the flight in cases like this, especially if it's a smaller connecting flight from a hub.

Fortunately I was able to cancel my hotel at the final destination due to my Platinum Marriott status, and book a new hotel reservation by the connection hub.

AA does not try to be flexible in these cases, surprisingly, whereas in my experience on other airlines they would try to hold the connecting flight for a little bit.

dw Oct 3, 2024 6:58 am


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 36569542)
AA does not try to be flexible in these cases, surprisingly, whereas in my experience on other airlines they would try to hold the connecting flight for a little bit.

It’s not surprising to us who have to fly AA a lot. Their myopic obsession with D0 trumps everything else, including trying to provide a reasonable customer experience, or even simple logic.

Experienced this myself at DFW on the last flight out to LGA. There were actually 4-5 of us on the delayed inbound flight connecting to LGA, and we all made it to the connecting gate before departure time, but the door was already closed, so we all had to overnight (at AA’s expense, as the initial delay was due to MX). Funny thing is, when we got to the gate, there were a handful of other people on late connections who were also shut out. So we’re talking roughly 10-ish people
inconvenienced because AA couldn’t hold the last flight out of the day 10-15 minutes. (And in case anyone suggests losing a takeoff slot because of bad weather, it was a perfectly clear day on both ends.)

Comfy Seat Flyer Oct 3, 2024 8:58 am


Originally Posted by ashill (Post 36569370)
Last flight of the day from hub to outstation is an obvious flight that holds little obvious risk of significantly inconveniencing other passengers.

Unless a delay risks an ontime departure of the first flight next day because of crew rest requirements.

Antarius Oct 3, 2024 9:00 am


Originally Posted by Comfy Seat Flyer (Post 36570318)
Unless a delay risks an ontime departure of the first flight next day because of crew rest requirements.

yes, however it is unlikely that a few minutes here and there is causing issues with crew rest requirements. In an IROPS case, sure, but flights aren't scheduled that tightly.

Regardless, airlines with better operational performance, better financial performance and higher customer satisfaction ratings manage to do this. AA is just incompetent.


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