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cova Jan 9, 2024 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by UA_Sycophant (Post 35893494)
Wouldn't an AA Emerald need to be traveling internationally for this? As opposed to non-AA Emeralds, who could access it with any same-day ticket international or domestic? The focus here is new benefits for AA members.

Either way, the Qantas F Lounge probably isn't conveniently located to most of AA's gates.

Yes - an Emerald would need to be traveling international. Can be traveling in Coach and still get in QF F lounge as well as Flagship.
Only AA Emerald (PPro or higher) can use miles to get in the Flagship Dining. Others cannot buy access to FFD.

Appears any AA member (including non-Elite) can buy with $ access to Admirals or Flagship. I assume Flagship access is more $. Not clear if one would need to be non-Elite international to be able to buy Flagship access (as opposed to Admirals).

I think the Flagship Dining assumes that you have access to the Flagship Lounge and you are paying with miles to get in the Dining area as opposed to the buffet.
"Coming soon: Dine in luxury at the airport when you redeem miles for Flagship® First Dining passes, available once you reach AAdvantage Platinum Pro® status."

At LAX - the QF lounges are very convenient to AA gates, via the connector to TBIT. Just a level up once you enter TBIT - take the elevator up.
In fact - AA uses some of the gates in TBIT - for flights to AKL for example - so the QF lounges are more convenient then the LAX Flagship in Term 4.

Also the American Express Centurion Lounge - is in the basement under the QF F and J lounges - 3 levels down. You access the hallway which takes you to the down elevator for Centurion - by taking the down escaltor just after you enter TBIT from Term 4 connector.

cova Jan 9, 2024 4:14 pm


Originally Posted by bscooter26 (Post 35893614)

Is this new? Seems like they might be doing away with the whole, 'companion disappearing from the upgrade list when going to airport control' thing, no?




This was fixed some months back in 2023. Companions no longer disappear or drop down (if lower status) at the 24 hour mark. Unrelated to allowing redemption of SWUs on aa.com.


javabytes Jan 9, 2024 4:20 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingEgghead (Post 35893576)
It is not an 18 month expiration for trip credits! It is 12 months for AAdvantage members and 6 months for non-members.
https://www.aa.com/i18n/customer-ser...vel-credit.jsp

Wow. That one little detail turns "6 more months for AAdvantage Members" around doesn't it. Nothing like sneaking in a stealth devaluation while making it sound like a new member benefit.

GNRMatt Jan 9, 2024 4:35 pm


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 35893689)
Wow. That one little detail turns "6 more months for AAdvantage Members" around doesn't it. Nothing like sneaking in a stealth devaluation while making it sound like a new member benefit.

Nice catch on that...very shady!

JJeffrey Jan 9, 2024 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by beltway (Post 35893680)
I'm the one who raised this question. The reason for asking is that AA's announcement refers ambiguously to putting "flights" on hold for 24 hours instead of referring explicitly to paid bookings.

This may just be a case of careless, imprecise writing on AA's part. Either way, clarification is called for.

Re-reading it I see what you're saying. I could be wrong, but given how sloppy AA always is with this kind of thing I'm not really worried at all that this is some kind of stealth reduction of the 5 day award hold. They're just talking about paid flights.

stant Jan 9, 2024 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by beltway (Post 35893680)
I'm the one who raised this question. The reason for asking is that AA's announcement refers ambiguously to putting "flights" on hold for 24 hours instead of referring explicitly to paid bookings.

This may just be a case of careless, imprecise writing on AA's part. Either way, clarification is called for.

"24-hour trip hold:"
does a 24 hour hold have anything to do with award holds? no. there is no ambiguity here. there are two kinds of holds in the system. they are not talking about the one you are concerned with.

UA_Sycophant Jan 9, 2024 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 35893689)
Wow. That one little detail turns "6 more months for AAdvantage Members" around doesn't it. Nothing like sneaking in a stealth devaluation while making it sound like a new member benefit.

I'm wondering if some of this is to ensure AA flyers continue to credit miles to AAdvantage instead of Alaska, being that Alaska eliminated their requirement that a minimum number of segments be flown on their metal for MVP status. Given they still have distance-based elite qualification with tiers at 20k / 40k / 75k / 100k, AA flyers who usually fly discounted economy will likely have an easier time attaining Alaska status and enjoying all the Oneworld benefits on AA.

jamabam Jan 9, 2024 5:37 pm


  • Earn miles on upgrades: Earn miles when you pay with cash to upgrade to a premium cabin.

I find it odd that the verbiage here is "earn miles" rather than "earn miles and loyalty points". Though I certainly hope I am wrong and just reading way too into it.

socalflying Jan 9, 2024 5:48 pm

"This new offering — 1,000 bonus Loyalty Points — is American's answer. "Call it a Loyalty Point headstart, if you will," Isaac said."

I did appreciate this not-so-sly reference to Delta having to come up with version 2.0 of their new program.

SWCPHX Jan 9, 2024 7:16 pm

I for one appreciate the opportunity to now stand by for an earlier flight for free.

born sleepy Jan 9, 2024 7:27 pm


Originally Posted by donotblink (Post 35892045)
Wow I was really expecting them to increase the number of miles required to get status

This erroneous blog post made me squawk. It's been corrected, but as of Sunday the author was claiming wrong (and higher) LP earn levels. 250,000 for EXP! But then I checked here and this forum had not exploded, so I figured it was wrong;

Phew!

dw Jan 9, 2024 7:34 pm


Originally Posted by born sleepy (Post 35894122)
This erroneous blog post made me squawk. It's been corrected, but as of Sunday the author was claiming wrong (and higher) LP earn levels. 250,000 for EXP! But then I checked here and this forum had not exploded, so I figured it was wrong;

Phew!

We’re spared for the coming year (undoubtedly all the backlash to Delta’s program changes may have influenced AA and UA). I think how the economy looks at the end of 2024 will heavily influence how things look next year.

Anecdotally, I’m already seeing some softness in premium fares on the domestic routes I fly for 2024 so there’s that…

travelingdrsuz Jan 9, 2024 7:35 pm

First, I would like to thank Delta, an airline I never fly, for making the biggest faux pas of greed this year, having to walk some of it back after the public outcry, and likely putting fear of mileage gods into UA and AA--at least a teeny bit.
Next, I would like to thank AA because the only reason I refuse to buy up to upgrades is that I don't get LPs, which is silly. Great move, IMO. Also, while 1K LP is not big, it's LPs and it's bigger than seat coupons or priority boarding. Anything that is something is better than nothing, and all that empty philosophical jazz.
It's only the second year of LPs, and they already raised the Gold level last year, as well as the SWU level. It's nice to finally see things given and not taken.
Good job, AA.

dw Jan 9, 2024 7:40 pm


Originally Posted by travelingdrsuz (Post 35894141)
It's only the second year of LPs, and they already raised the Gold level last year, as well as the SWU level. It's nice to finally see things given and not taken.
Good job, AA.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they had already planned increases in qualification levels for the coming year, but rolled those back after the DL backlash.

AA has actually bought themselves time by changing the qualification year from Jan 1 to March 1; now they have 2+ months to respond to competitors.

prathetkrungthep Jan 9, 2024 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by UA_Sycophant (Post 35893813)
I'm wondering if some of this is to ensure AA flyers continue to credit miles to AAdvantage instead of Alaska, being that Alaska eliminated their requirement that a minimum number of segments be flown on their metal for MVP status. Given they still have distance-based elite qualification with tiers at 20k / 40k / 75k / 100k, AA flyers who usually fly discounted economy will likely have an easier time attaining Alaska status and enjoying all the Oneworld benefits on AA.

And the SDC benefit for all members. I think you have to be AS MVPG75k to get SDC on AA. As someone who barely made plat, I am contemplating hopping to AS for this qualifying year now that AS has removed metal requirements and MVPG is a much more attainable OWS status via actually flown miles. I’m already tired of playing the LP game after a year, but these enhancements surely are making me think twice.

jpsj Jan 9, 2024 8:13 pm

Apologize if this is somewhere in previous posts, but as an EXP who doesn't purchase cash upgrades, I really don't see many benefits to EXP. What am I missing?

For basic fare, I would have liked EXP to earn full loyalty points for the fare paid instead of the discounts 4.7 miles.

prathetkrungthep Jan 9, 2024 9:01 pm


Originally Posted by jpsj (Post 35894227)
Apologize if this is somewhere in previous posts, but as an EXP who doesn't purchase cash upgrades, I really don't see many benefits to EXP. What am I missing?

For basic fare, I would have liked EXP to earn full loyalty points for the fare paid instead of the discounts 4.7 miles.

nothing exclusive to EXP beyond FFD mileage redemptions that are also avail to PPRO

fly747first Jan 9, 2024 9:09 pm

Still no changes for the Million Miler program which is the worst compared to AS, DL, and UA's.

donotblink Jan 9, 2024 9:10 pm


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 35892543)
Why? AA has clearly shown it wants to make everyone elite. Or at least dangle enough carrots to where people pay lots of extra money to AA to be elite, hoping they never engage in self-reflection along the lines of "what happens when everyone is elite?"

There's a huge cost to providing the benefits at the 250k level and I wouldn't have been surprised to see them bump it to 300k. They moved it from 200k to 250k for this year. Don't get me wrong, I'm elated. I'm also surprised to see the 20% and 30% kickers sticking around!

ZenFlyer Jan 9, 2024 9:34 pm


Originally Posted by donotblink (Post 35894347)
I'm also surprised to see the 20% and 30% kickers sticking around!

I was also pleasantly surprised by this. The "spend for LPs" approach must be proving profitable to AA.

beachfan Jan 9, 2024 10:44 pm


Originally Posted by UA_Sycophant (Post 35893494)
Wouldn't an AA Emerald need to be traveling internationally for this? As opposed to non-AA Emeralds, who could access it with any same-day ticket international or domestic? The focus here is new benefits for AA members.

Either way, the Qantas F Lounge probably isn't conveniently located to most of AA's gates.


very convenient to T4.

prathetkrungthep Jan 9, 2024 10:47 pm


Originally Posted by ZenFlyer (Post 35894407)
I was also pleasantly surprised by this. The "spend for LPs" approach must be proving profitable to AA.

Credit card company operating an airline on the side

beachfan Jan 9, 2024 10:49 pm


Originally Posted by stant (Post 35893761)
"24-hour trip hold:"
does a 24 hour hold have anything to do with award holds? no. there is no ambiguity here. there are two kinds of holds in the system. they are not talking about the one you are concerned with.

that’s an assumption. Today it refers to paid tickets, it says nothing about tomorrow.

you may be right but at least two experienced readers don’t read it the way you do- hence it’s ambiguous by definition.

i thought 6 months extra on flight credits was unambiguous, but it is and in a deceptive way. The email only went to members who are NOzT getting six more months then they used to.

beachfan Jan 9, 2024 10:52 pm

Duplicate

bryanwallace Jan 10, 2024 12:15 am

- can earn additional LPs and miles when you accept buy-up offers in the app or online

does this also apply to the extra miles boost you can add on bookaahotels? will they qualify as LP now?

stant Jan 10, 2024 12:21 am


Originally Posted by beachfan (Post 35894539)
that’s an assumption. Today it refers to paid tickets, it says nothing about tomorrow.

you may be right but at least two experienced readers don’t read it the way you do- hence it’s ambiguous by definition.

i thought 6 months extra on flight credits was unambiguous, but it is and in a deceptive way. The email only went to members who are NOzT getting six more months then they used to.

once again. it refers specifically to 24 hr holds. this is not ambiguous. it is very specific and does not apply to award tickets. period. the fact that it says 'flights' and doesnt differentiate between award or revenue flights is irrelevant. "24 hour holds" differentiates between the two.

bryanb Jan 10, 2024 12:32 am


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 35893689)
Wow. That one little detail turns "6 more months for AAdvantage Members" around doesn't it. Nothing like sneaking in a stealth devaluation while making it sound like a new member benefit.


Yeah seriously. Seeing the number of posts here, Reddit, and blogs that are quoting the 18 month expiry date made me very happy indeed. And then I went on AA.com and saw the actual details:

"For Trip Credit issued on or after March 11, 2024, AAdvantage® members have 12 months to use their Trip Credit when canceling their trip on aa.com or the American app and their AAdvantage® number is included in their reservation. Non-AAdvantage® members have 6 months."

GrayAnderson Jan 10, 2024 12:46 am


Originally Posted by SWCPHX (Post 35894105)
I for one appreciate the opportunity to now stand by for an earlier flight for free.

That already existed. Probably half of the things they listed as "improvements for AAdvantage members" already existed for everyone and just got cut back to members-only, then were listed as "improvements".

[This isn't lipstick on a pig. It's outright gaslighting, intentionally confusing, and I wish they could be hauled in front of some advertising standards authority and ordered to clarify that "No, we didn't add time for anyone...". At least they didn't torch their program this year like Delta did...]

daslax Jan 10, 2024 1:04 am


Originally Posted by bryanb (Post 35894696)
Yeah seriously. Seeing the number of posts here, Reddit, and blogs that are quoting the 18 month expiry date made me very happy indeed. And then I went on AA.com and saw the actual details:

"For Trip Credit issued on or after March 11, 2024, AAdvantage® members have 12 months to use their Trip Credit when canceling their trip on aa.com or the American app and their AAdvantage® number is included in their reservation. Non-AAdvantage® members have 6 months."

I've been trying to parse the language in the announcement above and I think there is still an enhancement here, but could be wrong. I believe the current way of handling voluntary cancellations is by issuing Flight Credits which expire 12 months from original date of ticketing. The above seems to imply that cancelling via AA digital channels will result in a Trip Credit, and those expire 12 months from the date you cancel. So does the new policy not give you 12 months + the time between when you ticketed and cancel? That latter part could provide up to an additional 12 months of validity from what is currently offered.

WannaTheater Jan 10, 2024 1:18 am


Originally Posted by bryanwallace (Post 35894664)
- can earn additional LPs and miles when you accept buy-up offers in the app or online

does this also apply to the extra miles boost you can add on bookaahotels? will they qualify as LP now?

I think if that was the case, it would have been called it out.
IMHO, “the app” is the AA app, and “buy-up” offers is paying to upgrade.

TravelinSperry Jan 10, 2024 1:47 am


Originally Posted by bryanwallace (Post 35894664)
- can earn additional LPs and miles when you accept buy-up offers in the app or online

does this also apply to the extra miles boost you can add on bookaahotels? will they qualify as LP now?

No. And you're cross posting the same question in multiple places, which is against FT rules https://www.flyertalk.com/help/rules#crossposting. Wait for an answer.

lowfareair Jan 10, 2024 2:49 am


Originally Posted by daslax (Post 35894740)
I've been trying to parse the language in the announcement above and I think there is still an enhancement here, but could be wrong. I believe the current way of handling voluntary cancellations is by issuing Flight Credits which expire 12 months from original date of ticketing. The above seems to imply that cancelling via AA digital channels will result in a Trip Credit, and those expire 12 months from the date you cancel. So does the new policy not give you 12 months + the time between when you ticketed and cancel? That latter part could provide up to an additional 12 months of validity from what is currently offered.

I'm expecting it is that way. Otherwise, we're about to see a lot of angry non-members who paid more for Main Cabin for flexibility, bought their ticket 7-11 months out, went to change/cancel 6 months after ticketing, and find out the ticket they paid more for flexibility is now worthless. Especially true if they could have bought a BE ticket and done the $99 cancellation fee.

Edit: Unless the $99 fee aspect would also have the same 6 / 12 month rule and could become non-changeable / cancelable for non-members who bought more than 6 months in advance. Seems like it could hurt far-in-advance bookings if they do it that way, however.

beachfan Jan 10, 2024 2:52 am


Originally Posted by stant (Post 35894679)
once again. it refers specifically to 24 hr holds. this is not ambiguous. it is very specific and does not apply to award tickets. period. the fact that it says 'flights' and doesnt differentiate between award or revenue flights is irrelevant. "24 hour holds" differentiates between the two.

if it was a change and now applying to awards, they could phrase it exactly the same.

flyrsphl27 Jan 10, 2024 3:55 am


Originally Posted by daslax (Post 35894740)
I've been trying to parse the language in the announcement above and I think there is still an enhancement here, but could be wrong. I believe the current way of handling voluntary cancellations is by issuing Flight Credits which expire 12 months from original date of ticketing. The above seems to imply that cancelling via AA digital channels will result in a Trip Credit, and those expire 12 months from the date you cancel. So does the new policy not give you 12 months + the time between when you ticketed and cancel? That latter part could provide up to an additional 12 months of validity from what is currently offered.

I had a flight credit expiring a few weeks back. So I bought a cheap flight ($94) and then cancelled it knowing that I would lose the $94 piece. I actually received a trip credit for the entire amount and an email from AA saying that they were changing the way they are doing credits so this would make sense. I forget the exact wording but basically said they were doing away with flight credits. Don't quote me because I didn't really look at in detail as I just took it as a bonus at the time!

GrayAnderson Jan 10, 2024 5:33 am


Originally Posted by lowfareair (Post 35894909)
I'm expecting it is that way. Otherwise, we're about to see a lot of angry non-members who paid more for Main Cabin for flexibility, bought their ticket 7-11 months out, went to change/cancel 6 months after ticketing, and find out the ticket they paid more for flexibility is now worthless. Especially true if they could have bought a BE ticket and done the $99 cancellation fee.

Edit: Unless the $99 fee aspect would also have the same 6 / 12 month rule and could become non-changeable / cancelable for non-members who bought more than 6 months in advance. Seems like it could hurt far-in-advance bookings if they do it that way, however.

To be honest, if they tried to pull that? That feels like a lawsuit waiting to blow up *bigtime* if AA doesn't warn folks of that very clearly. That's the sort of thing that is not reasonable for any consumer to presume.

BrianV Jan 10, 2024 6:44 am

I'm glad the opt-in upgrades now earn miles and presumably LP. I have a few credit cards that have annual airline credits that can only be used on upgrades, bags, etc. Given that I never pay for bags, I used to use them for e500s for companions. Now I end up using them mostly for op-ups which as an EXP sometimes seems like I'm wasting, but getting the miles/LPs gives it at least some value.

ZenFlyer Jan 10, 2024 6:48 am


Originally Posted by GrayAnderson (Post 35894721)
That already existed. Probably half of the things they listed as "improvements for AAdvantage members" already existed for everyone and just got cut back to members-only, then were listed as "improvements".

AA is certainly trying to put a positive spin on things, and I'm not going to defend their language choices. But fwiw, when I re-read the email they sent yesterday (versus the blog articles), they are pretty clear about the bolded part of the quote above, and in distinguishing between new benefits and old benefits that will now be limited to AAdvantage members only. (Red type reflects my emphasis).


More ways to earn, redeem and get rewarded
New Loyalty Point Rewards choice: Get additional Loyalty Points toward AAdvantage® status, starting at the 15,000 Loyalty Point Reward level.
New Enhance with Miles opportunity: Once you reach AAdvantage Platinum Pro® status, you can redeem miles to dine in luxury at the airport with Flagship® First Dining passes.
Earn miles on upgrades: Want to treat yourself? Earn miles when you pay with cash to upgrade to a premium cabin.
Upgrade with our partners: You’ll be able to redeem miles for upgrades with select airline partners in 2024.

As you make plans for the year ahead, rest assured the Loyalty Points needed to reach AAdvantage® status and Loyalty Point Rewards will stay the same.


Exclusive AAdvantage® member benefits
Soon you’ll have more flexibility when buying a Basic Economy ticket as an AAdvantage® member. Starting later this month, you’ll be able to cancel non-refundable Basic Economy tickets and receive a partial Trip Credit for a fee*.

Later in 2024, these benefits will also become exclusive to AAdvantage® members:

Same-day standby: Stand by for an earlier domestic flight free of charge**.
Extended Trip Credit: You’ll have 6 more months to use your Trip Credit than non-members when canceling travel online.
Admirals Club® One-Day Passes: Buy a One-Day Pass to visit our lounges.
Flagship® Lounge Single Visit Passes: Buy a pass to enjoy our premium lounge.
24-hour trip hold: Need time to decide before booking? Put flights on hold free of charge for up to 24 hours.

These updates will provide you with a more exclusive, rewarding experience in the AAdvantage® program. Thank you for your loyalty, and we look forward to taking your travel to new heights.

deac83 Jan 10, 2024 7:50 am

For me, not huge changes but eliminated some of the annoying things I typically deal with.
- Prioritization of SWU above regular UG - i.e. SWU on international leg but wait listed for domestic leg and wind up in the overall UG pool, never made sense
- Companion status for SWU - if only one SWU open, always put Mrs. Deac83 in F/Biz first since I would clear a wait list first
- Booking SWU online - today if you finally find the SWU availability and it's a bad flying day with 60+ minute phone holds, you have to sweat it out. Never lost one because of this, but eliminates stress, plus many times the agent starts off with 'let me check if they are available'

GrayAnderson Jan 10, 2024 8:53 am


Originally Posted by ZenFlyer (Post 35895321)
AA is certainly trying to put a positive spin on things, and I'm not going to defend their language choices. But fwiw, when I re-read the email they sent yesterday (versus the blog articles), they are pretty clear about the bolded part of the quote above, and in distinguishing between new benefits and old benefits that will now be limited to AAdvantage members only. (Red type reflects my emphasis).

The "extended trip credits" bit is still deceptive because it implies that they're adding six months of validity to said credits.

I think we also had at least one other person think that they were adding standby as an option (when it already exists at $0 for all people sans BE).

That being said, TPG (in particular) fouling this up in an attempt to do the airline's lifting for them is also about par for the course IMO.

notquiteaff Jan 10, 2024 9:20 am


Originally Posted by bryanwallace (Post 35894664)
- can earn additional LPs and miles when you accept buy-up offers in the app or online

does this also apply to the extra miles boost you can add on bookaahotels? will they qualify as LP now?

Check the original message you should have received from AA. If includes this:

“Earn miles on upgrades: Want to treat yourself? Earn miles when you pay with cash to upgrade to a premium cabin.”

What you quoted from the OP is someone’s rewording of that change.


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