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Originally Posted by UA_Sycophant
(Post 35893494)
Wouldn't an AA Emerald need to be traveling internationally for this? As opposed to non-AA Emeralds, who could access it with any same-day ticket international or domestic? The focus here is new benefits for AA members.
Either way, the Qantas F Lounge probably isn't conveniently located to most of AA's gates. Only AA Emerald (PPro or higher) can use miles to get in the Flagship Dining. Others cannot buy access to FFD. Appears any AA member (including non-Elite) can buy with $ access to Admirals or Flagship. I assume Flagship access is more $. Not clear if one would need to be non-Elite international to be able to buy Flagship access (as opposed to Admirals). I think the Flagship Dining assumes that you have access to the Flagship Lounge and you are paying with miles to get in the Dining area as opposed to the buffet. "Coming soon: Dine in luxury at the airport when you redeem miles for Flagship® First Dining passes, available once you reach AAdvantage Platinum Pro® status." At LAX - the QF lounges are very convenient to AA gates, via the connector to TBIT. Just a level up once you enter TBIT - take the elevator up. In fact - AA uses some of the gates in TBIT - for flights to AKL for example - so the QF lounges are more convenient then the LAX Flagship in Term 4. Also the American Express Centurion Lounge - is in the basement under the QF F and J lounges - 3 levels down. You access the hallway which takes you to the down elevator for Centurion - by taking the down escaltor just after you enter TBIT from Term 4 connector. |
Originally Posted by bscooter26
(Post 35893614)
Is this new? Seems like they might be doing away with the whole, 'companion disappearing from the upgrade list when going to airport control' thing, no?
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Originally Posted by FlyingEgghead
(Post 35893576)
It is not an 18 month expiration for trip credits! It is 12 months for AAdvantage members and 6 months for non-members.
https://www.aa.com/i18n/customer-ser...vel-credit.jsp |
Originally Posted by javabytes
(Post 35893689)
Wow. That one little detail turns "6 more months for AAdvantage Members" around doesn't it. Nothing like sneaking in a stealth devaluation while making it sound like a new member benefit.
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Originally Posted by beltway
(Post 35893680)
I'm the one who raised this question. The reason for asking is that AA's announcement refers ambiguously to putting "flights" on hold for 24 hours instead of referring explicitly to paid bookings.
This may just be a case of careless, imprecise writing on AA's part. Either way, clarification is called for. |
Originally Posted by beltway
(Post 35893680)
I'm the one who raised this question. The reason for asking is that AA's announcement refers ambiguously to putting "flights" on hold for 24 hours instead of referring explicitly to paid bookings.
This may just be a case of careless, imprecise writing on AA's part. Either way, clarification is called for. does a 24 hour hold have anything to do with award holds? no. there is no ambiguity here. there are two kinds of holds in the system. they are not talking about the one you are concerned with. |
Originally Posted by javabytes
(Post 35893689)
Wow. That one little detail turns "6 more months for AAdvantage Members" around doesn't it. Nothing like sneaking in a stealth devaluation while making it sound like a new member benefit.
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"This new offering — 1,000 bonus Loyalty Points — is American's answer. "Call it a Loyalty Point headstart, if you will," Isaac said."
I did appreciate this not-so-sly reference to Delta having to come up with version 2.0 of their new program. |
I for one appreciate the opportunity to now stand by for an earlier flight for free.
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Originally Posted by donotblink
(Post 35892045)
Wow I was really expecting them to increase the number of miles required to get status
Phew! |
Originally Posted by born sleepy
(Post 35894122)
This erroneous blog post made me squawk. It's been corrected, but as of Sunday the author was claiming wrong (and higher) LP earn levels. 250,000 for EXP! But then I checked here and this forum had not exploded, so I figured it was wrong;
Phew! Anecdotally, I’m already seeing some softness in premium fares on the domestic routes I fly for 2024 so there’s that… |
First, I would like to thank Delta, an airline I never fly, for making the biggest faux pas of greed this year, having to walk some of it back after the public outcry, and likely putting fear of mileage gods into UA and AA--at least a teeny bit.
Next, I would like to thank AA because the only reason I refuse to buy up to upgrades is that I don't get LPs, which is silly. Great move, IMO. Also, while 1K LP is not big, it's LPs and it's bigger than seat coupons or priority boarding. Anything that is something is better than nothing, and all that empty philosophical jazz. It's only the second year of LPs, and they already raised the Gold level last year, as well as the SWU level. It's nice to finally see things given and not taken. Good job, AA. |
Originally Posted by travelingdrsuz
(Post 35894141)
It's only the second year of LPs, and they already raised the Gold level last year, as well as the SWU level. It's nice to finally see things given and not taken.
Good job, AA. AA has actually bought themselves time by changing the qualification year from Jan 1 to March 1; now they have 2+ months to respond to competitors. |
Originally Posted by UA_Sycophant
(Post 35893813)
I'm wondering if some of this is to ensure AA flyers continue to credit miles to AAdvantage instead of Alaska, being that Alaska eliminated their requirement that a minimum number of segments be flown on their metal for MVP status. Given they still have distance-based elite qualification with tiers at 20k / 40k / 75k / 100k, AA flyers who usually fly discounted economy will likely have an easier time attaining Alaska status and enjoying all the Oneworld benefits on AA.
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Apologize if this is somewhere in previous posts, but as an EXP who doesn't purchase cash upgrades, I really don't see many benefits to EXP. What am I missing?
For basic fare, I would have liked EXP to earn full loyalty points for the fare paid instead of the discounts 4.7 miles. |
Originally Posted by jpsj
(Post 35894227)
Apologize if this is somewhere in previous posts, but as an EXP who doesn't purchase cash upgrades, I really don't see many benefits to EXP. What am I missing?
For basic fare, I would have liked EXP to earn full loyalty points for the fare paid instead of the discounts 4.7 miles. |
Still no changes for the Million Miler program which is the worst compared to AS, DL, and UA's.
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Originally Posted by Herb687
(Post 35892543)
Why? AA has clearly shown it wants to make everyone elite. Or at least dangle enough carrots to where people pay lots of extra money to AA to be elite, hoping they never engage in self-reflection along the lines of "what happens when everyone is elite?"
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Originally Posted by donotblink
(Post 35894347)
I'm also surprised to see the 20% and 30% kickers sticking around!
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Originally Posted by UA_Sycophant
(Post 35893494)
Wouldn't an AA Emerald need to be traveling internationally for this? As opposed to non-AA Emeralds, who could access it with any same-day ticket international or domestic? The focus here is new benefits for AA members.
Either way, the Qantas F Lounge probably isn't conveniently located to most of AA's gates. very convenient to T4. |
Originally Posted by ZenFlyer
(Post 35894407)
I was also pleasantly surprised by this. The "spend for LPs" approach must be proving profitable to AA.
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Originally Posted by stant
(Post 35893761)
"24-hour trip hold:"
does a 24 hour hold have anything to do with award holds? no. there is no ambiguity here. there are two kinds of holds in the system. they are not talking about the one you are concerned with. you may be right but at least two experienced readers don’t read it the way you do- hence it’s ambiguous by definition. i thought 6 months extra on flight credits was unambiguous, but it is and in a deceptive way. The email only went to members who are NOzT getting six more months then they used to. |
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- can earn additional LPs and miles when you accept buy-up offers in the app or online
does this also apply to the extra miles boost you can add on bookaahotels? will they qualify as LP now? |
Originally Posted by beachfan
(Post 35894539)
that’s an assumption. Today it refers to paid tickets, it says nothing about tomorrow.
you may be right but at least two experienced readers don’t read it the way you do- hence it’s ambiguous by definition. i thought 6 months extra on flight credits was unambiguous, but it is and in a deceptive way. The email only went to members who are NOzT getting six more months then they used to. |
Originally Posted by javabytes
(Post 35893689)
Wow. That one little detail turns "6 more months for AAdvantage Members" around doesn't it. Nothing like sneaking in a stealth devaluation while making it sound like a new member benefit.
Yeah seriously. Seeing the number of posts here, Reddit, and blogs that are quoting the 18 month expiry date made me very happy indeed. And then I went on AA.com and saw the actual details: "For Trip Credit issued on or after March 11, 2024, AAdvantage® members have 12 months to use their Trip Credit when canceling their trip on aa.com or the American app and their AAdvantage® number is included in their reservation. Non-AAdvantage® members have 6 months." |
Originally Posted by SWCPHX
(Post 35894105)
I for one appreciate the opportunity to now stand by for an earlier flight for free.
[This isn't lipstick on a pig. It's outright gaslighting, intentionally confusing, and I wish they could be hauled in front of some advertising standards authority and ordered to clarify that "No, we didn't add time for anyone...". At least they didn't torch their program this year like Delta did...] |
Originally Posted by bryanb
(Post 35894696)
Yeah seriously. Seeing the number of posts here, Reddit, and blogs that are quoting the 18 month expiry date made me very happy indeed. And then I went on AA.com and saw the actual details:
"For Trip Credit issued on or after March 11, 2024, AAdvantage® members have 12 months to use their Trip Credit when canceling their trip on aa.com or the American app and their AAdvantage® number is included in their reservation. Non-AAdvantage® members have 6 months." |
Originally Posted by bryanwallace
(Post 35894664)
- can earn additional LPs and miles when you accept buy-up offers in the app or online
does this also apply to the extra miles boost you can add on bookaahotels? will they qualify as LP now? IMHO, “the app” is the AA app, and “buy-up” offers is paying to upgrade. |
Originally Posted by bryanwallace
(Post 35894664)
- can earn additional LPs and miles when you accept buy-up offers in the app or online
does this also apply to the extra miles boost you can add on bookaahotels? will they qualify as LP now? |
Originally Posted by daslax
(Post 35894740)
I've been trying to parse the language in the announcement above and I think there is still an enhancement here, but could be wrong. I believe the current way of handling voluntary cancellations is by issuing Flight Credits which expire 12 months from original date of ticketing. The above seems to imply that cancelling via AA digital channels will result in a Trip Credit, and those expire 12 months from the date you cancel. So does the new policy not give you 12 months + the time between when you ticketed and cancel? That latter part could provide up to an additional 12 months of validity from what is currently offered.
Edit: Unless the $99 fee aspect would also have the same 6 / 12 month rule and could become non-changeable / cancelable for non-members who bought more than 6 months in advance. Seems like it could hurt far-in-advance bookings if they do it that way, however. |
Originally Posted by stant
(Post 35894679)
once again. it refers specifically to 24 hr holds. this is not ambiguous. it is very specific and does not apply to award tickets. period. the fact that it says 'flights' and doesnt differentiate between award or revenue flights is irrelevant. "24 hour holds" differentiates between the two.
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Originally Posted by daslax
(Post 35894740)
I've been trying to parse the language in the announcement above and I think there is still an enhancement here, but could be wrong. I believe the current way of handling voluntary cancellations is by issuing Flight Credits which expire 12 months from original date of ticketing. The above seems to imply that cancelling via AA digital channels will result in a Trip Credit, and those expire 12 months from the date you cancel. So does the new policy not give you 12 months + the time between when you ticketed and cancel? That latter part could provide up to an additional 12 months of validity from what is currently offered.
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Originally Posted by lowfareair
(Post 35894909)
I'm expecting it is that way. Otherwise, we're about to see a lot of angry non-members who paid more for Main Cabin for flexibility, bought their ticket 7-11 months out, went to change/cancel 6 months after ticketing, and find out the ticket they paid more for flexibility is now worthless. Especially true if they could have bought a BE ticket and done the $99 cancellation fee.
Edit: Unless the $99 fee aspect would also have the same 6 / 12 month rule and could become non-changeable / cancelable for non-members who bought more than 6 months in advance. Seems like it could hurt far-in-advance bookings if they do it that way, however. |
I'm glad the opt-in upgrades now earn miles and presumably LP. I have a few credit cards that have annual airline credits that can only be used on upgrades, bags, etc. Given that I never pay for bags, I used to use them for e500s for companions. Now I end up using them mostly for op-ups which as an EXP sometimes seems like I'm wasting, but getting the miles/LPs gives it at least some value.
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Originally Posted by GrayAnderson
(Post 35894721)
That already existed. Probably half of the things they listed as "improvements for AAdvantage members" already existed for everyone and just got cut back to members-only, then were listed as "improvements".
More ways to earn, redeem and get rewarded • New Loyalty Point Rewards choice: Get additional Loyalty Points toward AAdvantage® status, starting at the 15,000 Loyalty Point Reward level. • New Enhance with Miles opportunity: Once you reach AAdvantage Platinum Pro® status, you can redeem miles to dine in luxury at the airport with Flagship® First Dining passes. • Earn miles on upgrades: Want to treat yourself? Earn miles when you pay with cash to upgrade to a premium cabin. • Upgrade with our partners: You’ll be able to redeem miles for upgrades with select airline partners in 2024. As you make plans for the year ahead, rest assured the Loyalty Points needed to reach AAdvantage® status and Loyalty Point Rewards will stay the same. Exclusive AAdvantage® member benefits Soon you’ll have more flexibility when buying a Basic Economy ticket as an AAdvantage® member. Starting later this month, you’ll be able to cancel non-refundable Basic Economy tickets and receive a partial Trip Credit for a fee*. Later in 2024, these benefits will also become exclusive to AAdvantage® members: • Same-day standby: Stand by for an earlier domestic flight free of charge**. • Extended Trip Credit: You’ll have 6 more months to use your Trip Credit than non-members when canceling travel online. • Admirals Club® One-Day Passes: Buy a One-Day Pass to visit our lounges. • Flagship® Lounge Single Visit Passes: Buy a pass to enjoy our premium lounge. • 24-hour trip hold: Need time to decide before booking? Put flights on hold free of charge for up to 24 hours. These updates will provide you with a more exclusive, rewarding experience in the AAdvantage® program. Thank you for your loyalty, and we look forward to taking your travel to new heights. |
For me, not huge changes but eliminated some of the annoying things I typically deal with.
- Prioritization of SWU above regular UG - i.e. SWU on international leg but wait listed for domestic leg and wind up in the overall UG pool, never made sense - Companion status for SWU - if only one SWU open, always put Mrs. Deac83 in F/Biz first since I would clear a wait list first - Booking SWU online - today if you finally find the SWU availability and it's a bad flying day with 60+ minute phone holds, you have to sweat it out. Never lost one because of this, but eliminates stress, plus many times the agent starts off with 'let me check if they are available' |
Originally Posted by ZenFlyer
(Post 35895321)
AA is certainly trying to put a positive spin on things, and I'm not going to defend their language choices. But fwiw, when I re-read the email they sent yesterday (versus the blog articles), they are pretty clear about the bolded part of the quote above, and in distinguishing between new benefits and old benefits that will now be limited to AAdvantage members only. (Red type reflects my emphasis).
I think we also had at least one other person think that they were adding standby as an option (when it already exists at $0 for all people sans BE). That being said, TPG (in particular) fouling this up in an attempt to do the airline's lifting for them is also about par for the course IMO. |
Originally Posted by bryanwallace
(Post 35894664)
- can earn additional LPs and miles when you accept buy-up offers in the app or online
does this also apply to the extra miles boost you can add on bookaahotels? will they qualify as LP now? “Earn miles on upgrades: Want to treat yourself? Earn miles when you pay with cash to upgrade to a premium cabin.” What you quoted from the OP is someone’s rewording of that change. |
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