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Door torn off of 787 at DUB before flight 723 (9 July 2023)

Door torn off of 787 at DUB before flight 723 (9 July 2023)

Old Jul 9, 2023, 12:46 pm
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Door torn off of 787 at DUB before flight 723 (9 July 2023)

Today's flight 723 (scheduled departure 12:55Z) from DUB-PHL was cancelled after the airbridge apparently collapsed tearing the door off the Boeing 787 aircraft. There are no reported injuries. Some images can be found on Twitter and elsewhere.
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Old Jul 9, 2023, 8:20 pm
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WOW...I'm glad that didn't happen during boarding or deplaning.
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Old Jul 9, 2023, 9:40 pm
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Surpised AA would use a 787 for PHL-DUB. Seems a A321neo could fly the distance. The 787 seems over kill for a 3200nm flight.
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Old Jul 9, 2023, 9:43 pm
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The pictures I've seen make it hard to determine if it's just a door that broke away at the hinges (as it may even have been engineered to do), and can be replaced within design specifications, or there is significant structural damage below the door (and is a major issue)..

But then again I was looking at them om a phone screen while IRROPS marooned in an airport. You may all already know the answer to that question.
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Old Jul 9, 2023, 10:58 pm
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Originally Posted by bgasser
Surpised AA would use a 787 for PHL-DUB. Seems a A321neo could fly the distance. The 787 seems over kill for a 3200nm flight.
Well it's an overnight flight from PHL to DUB so the NEO seat would be pretty miserable and non-competitive with other airlines (mainly Air Lingus). Better to save the NEO for cross-country flights.
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Old Jul 9, 2023, 11:22 pm
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Originally Posted by ORDflyer92
Well it's an overnight flight from PHL to DUB so the NEO seat would be pretty miserable and non-competitive with other airlines (mainly Air Lingus).
Guess which equipment EI uses on the DUB-PHL route.

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Old Jul 9, 2023, 11:26 pm
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Originally Posted by AirborneLocksmith
Guess which equipment EI uses on the DUB-PHL route.
Sure but their NEO has a real lie-flat business class seat, not a domestic F AA seat. It's less about the equipment and more the configuration of AA's NEO that makes it uncompetitive on TATL flights.

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Old Jul 10, 2023, 6:44 am
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Im pretty sure that lie flat business seats are one of the pre requisites for all transatlantic routes as part of the joint venture. Given the 788 is the smallest international aircraft with them, thats why its on the route. During summer, an A321 would likely be too small for PHL-DUB, remember Aer Lingus are twice daily versus the 1x AA flight
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Old Jul 10, 2023, 10:21 am
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Originally Posted by bgasser
Surpised AA would use a 787 for PHL-DUB. Seems a A321neo could fly the distance. The 787 seems over kill for a 3200nm flight.
The 787 will give AA cargo and premium fare revenue. When the 321XLR comes on line in a year or two well definitely see it on TA flights. Not sure about DUB though. I dont recall if it was ever operated with a narrowbody when the 757s were in service.
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Old Jul 10, 2023, 11:02 am
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Terrible. American cannot spare to lose a wide body jet. Lets see if they can stick up for themselves and be properly compensated which I doubt.

An a321NEO would not have business class. Those domestic first seats would have to be marketed as PE.
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Old Jul 10, 2023, 11:30 am
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Originally Posted by bgasser
Surpised AA would use a 787 for PHL-DUB. Seems a A321neo could fly the distance. The 787 seems over kill for a 3200nm flight.
That flight has very high load factors in my experience.

Either way, an AA788 has about 50 more seats than the competing EI A321LR, so the 788 doesn't have a huge capacity advantage.

You'll see they haven't brought back the ostensibly thinner pre pandemic 757 routes they had (e.g. EDI, SNN) because they don't have an aircraft that suits that mission - in both of those destinations I agree a 788 would be too much aircraft. PHL-DUB was almost always an A330 or B767 pre pandemic too.

Apropos of nothing, AAs 321neos aren't certified for transatlantic ops in any case so the point is moot.
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Old Jul 10, 2023, 11:35 am
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The retirement of nearly new a332s continues to chart at the top of all time poor decisions - and this is an airline that had Arpey as CEO.
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Old Jul 10, 2023, 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by Antarius
The retirement of nearly new a332s continues to chart at the top of all time poor decisions - and this is an airline that had Arpey as CEO.
Agreed on that, I know the airlines hate subfleets but those A332s had fantastic utilization usually doing something like LAX-PHL-SJU-PHL-DUB & the reverse, they were almost always in the air.
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Old Jul 10, 2023, 11:49 am
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Originally Posted by ChurnieEls
Agreed on that, I know the airlines hate subfleets but those A332s had fantastic utilization usually doing something like LAX-PHL-SJU-PHL-DUB & the reverse, they were almost always in the air.
Yup. Also, it was right sized for smaller Eu markets and the Caribbean.

15 wasn't that small of a subfleet either. Especially in conjunction with 9 a333s. When you factor in that they are still paying for it.... 🤷
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Old Jul 10, 2023, 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by bgasser
Surpised AA would use a 787 for PHL-DUB. Seems a A321neo could fly the distance. The 787 seems over kill for a 3200nm flight.
Don't give AA any ideas. I enjoy having a 787 on this route!
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