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AA F over LH F to Europe ex JFK: Am I crazy?

AA F over LH F to Europe ex JFK: Am I crazy?

Old Apr 9, 2023, 8:28 am
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AA F over LH F to Europe ex JFK: Am I crazy?

Iím flying to Europe next week and I think Iím picking AA F over LH F. I never thought Iíd do this but I think it makes sense. Iíve looked at all aspects of the trip and shockingly I think AA is best overall for me based on my tastes and my situation. What am I missing?

JFK Check in: Probably a push but AA may be the winner here. LH does nothing special and AA feels special but may not save a ton of time.

JFK Lounge: Win AA. Having access to Chelsea, Soho and Brooklyn Brewery tasting room beats the LH lounge which only has a small 1st class section. Yes, LH F section is more private but doesnít have as good food/drink options.

Flight: LH should win but is that on reputation alone? Service will definitely be better. Drinks are a step above AA. I donít eat caviar and have a blue color meal tastes so upgraded food isnít a huge advantage. The sample menus don't really thrill me. If I eat well in Chelsea I can sleep and so AA in flight meal is not as important. I think the AA 777 seat wins over the LH A340 which has no privacy.

Connection: LH wins. AA LHR connection from T3 to T5 is a pain. The LH FRA connection is no picnic either but is more straight forward. If I can connect thru MUC then there is definitely a LH advantage especially with in lounge passport control.

Connecting Lounge: I think a push here. With AA I have access to CCR (yes, may be denied based on reports) and the FC lounge. LH has FC lounge. If connecting in MUC I may get driven to plane if at remote stand. The MUC connection would give LH the advantage. If my AA/BA connection was leaving LHR T3 then AA would have the advantage but it isn't.

Cost: Award ticket and total is within 5K of each other.

Other: AA F is going away so fly it now. I probably will be flying LH home, especially if I can leave from FRA and use FCT, so Iíll get my LH fix then. The LH connection would be to another LH flight vs an AA to BA connection so advantage LH there.

So looking at check in, flight, lounges and other items AA seems to win. I think JFK lounges plus me not liking caviar puts AA over the top. AA F going away is also an intangible. It also my be my last opportunity go use Chelsea lounge.

Am I crazy?
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 8:48 am
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AA wins on the ground at JFK, as you mentioned, but LH wins everything else from the minute you step on board the plane at JFK.

Also flying JFK-FRA-XXX you can use the FCT and should have the usual car service on arrival and departure at FRA.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 8:53 am
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Where in Europe is your final destination? In comparing connections at LHR versus FRA/MUC I'd also consider the onward flight to my final destination. How do the intra-Europe flights on (presumably) BA compare to those on LH?
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 10:24 am
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Personally, I do not get the end-stage nostalgia for AA F...if it were going out with a blast, perhaps, but it's more of a whimper. I'd only consider AA for the return, with ability to visit CX F lounge at LHR. Chelsea is not getting the best reviews, here or elsewhere. Also, the connection on LH will be much more seamless--would prefer to avoid AA-BA contortions after an overnight flight.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 11:06 am
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yes, you are a bit off (aka crazy)
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 11:46 am
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In case of delay/cx, EU 261 would apply to LH not AA.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 11:50 am
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OP you are not alone. Iíd prefer aa over lh, especially during IRROP.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by NYC Flyer
Personally, I do not get the end-stage nostalgia for AA F...
I don't either. It's been a lousy product from inception; almost as if you distilled Air India into a class of service.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 12:13 pm
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 12:56 pm
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When I flew LH F out of JFK (granted, this was a few years ago, before Covid) I was escorted to the front of the TSA Pre line. The F class wining and dining facility at the lounge was pretty great, including some $1k whiskey (I think it was Balvenie 25). We were then escorted from the lounge to the plane. Not sure I would say AA ground is necessarily better at JFK.

That said your preferences are yours alone and if you think AA F would be more enjoyable for it, go for it! But itís going away for a reason.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 1:42 pm
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I would go with LH for sure. Anything to avoid the T3 to T5 shuffle at LHR. On-board service will be better on LH hands down.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 1F
I would go with LH for sure. Anything to avoid the T3 to T5 shuffle at LHR. On-board service will be better on LH hands down.
Originally Posted by CappuccinoAddict
When I flew LH F out of JFK (granted, this was a few years ago, before Covid) I was escorted to the front of the TSA Pre line. The F class wining and dining facility at the lounge was pretty great, including some $1k whiskey (I think it was Balvenie 25). We were then escorted from the lounge to the plane. Not sure I would say AA ground is necessarily better at JFK.

That said your preferences are yours alone and if you think AA F would be more enjoyable for it, go for it! But itís going away for a reason.
It sounds very similar to AFís LP ground situation at JFK. Personal preference would be LH, but your call.

Also ó it is a lot easier to snag AA F award space compared to LH so if you have confirmed LH space, Iíd consider booking AA another time.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 3:53 pm
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Isn't Heathrow a mess right now, too? I've been hearing some nightmare stories about operations over there, which, for me, would significantly move the needle towards LH.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 4:18 pm
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Originally Posted by mileshound
Connection: LH wins. AA LHR connection from T3 to T5 is a pain. The LH FRA connection is no picnic either but is more straight forward. If I can connect thru MUC then there is definitely a LH advantage especially with in lounge passport control.

Connecting Lounge: I think a push here. With AA I have access to CCR (yes, may be denied based on reports) and the FC lounge. LH has FC lounge. If connecting in MUC I may get driven to plane if at remote stand. The MUC connection would give LH the advantage. If my AA/BA connection was leaving LHR T3 then AA would have the advantage but it isn't.
I think you're downplaying the LH connecting lounge. It's not a lounge. It's an isolated First Class Terminal where you're picked up at the jetway and driven to it along the tarmac in a Porsche and then driven from said terminal to your connecting flight and go right up the jetway stairs to the entrance of the plane. They fly 3 different variants on that route, but the one to aim for is the 747-8. If it's an A330/A340, research the F seating as I'm not sure when those were refreshed. Not sure where you're located in the NY area, but LH also gives you the option to fly from EWR.

Since you said you're using points in either scenario, that's even more reason to take LH.
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Old Apr 9, 2023, 4:28 pm
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I don't think you are crazy but I do think you are completely unaware or not knowledgeable of the LH first experience.

​​​​​AA F is a second thought for AA. Some even consider it worse than AA J due to worn out seats and pretty much no difference in service to AA J.

A good crew at AA F compares to the standard LH F service like a waiter on a good day at Applebee's compares to service at a Michelin restaurant.
A bad crew with AA F will make you regret having spent the money/miles and will leave you scarred for life. Lol.

LH first is a completely different animal and a concept in itself. No. It is not hype.

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